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Hi all,

I've had my 306 atomizers for a couple of weeks now. It took me a little bit to get back into dripping as I've been away from it for so long. It was working really well once I broke it in and then a day or so after I hit my sweet spot with it, it started burning the back of my throat.

I've tried different liquids, different devices and it still is stinging the back of my throat. It's not burnt atty taste, but the throat hit is the same. I can't taste my juices on it anymore and it's uncomfortable to use.

I tried cleaning it and let it sit for a few days. I just tried again with it. Primed it with 7 drops. Took a couple of puffs without inhaling, dropped another 3 drops, puffed again..still tasted burnt. Dropped 4 more drops in and got the familiar crackling, but ..yup..still the stinging in the back of my throat.

Any suggestions? I have a 2nd atty that I haven't used yet, but this atomizer still works great..I just can't handle the burn.

It's not the nic level as I'm using the same juice that I hit my sweet spot on it with last week. It feels like a chemical burn. Hard to describe. Anyhow, I'll quit rambling and hopefully someone has some things I can try.

Thanks!
 

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I just have a one-week experience with a CISCO 306 LR, but from this and what Ive read I can tell you this:

Try priming it with enough liquid; say 6 drops; drip them slowly... One at a time...Let them soak in... Let the atty sit for two minutes and add 2 more drops...slowly... Then after 30 seconds take the first drag... Wait for around half a minute, another drag, wait a minute, and so on... When it runs dry... Re-drip 2-3 drops or simply DO NOT DRIP, but DIP your atty's bridge, instead; which may be less of a hassle...!
Bear in mind those atties may take up to two days to fully break-in; some leaking may occur during this period... You should have a not so 'rushy' rythm when vaping (giving it some time between drags...) and your puffs should be rather on the short side; especially before breaking in: DO NOT take long drags...
Hope this help...
Yep, priming them can be a pain, but then they seem to be working miracles! Thats how good MINE is; anyway!
 

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Thanks for responding. I'd pretty much figured this post had gotten buried lol. I do understand what you're saying. The problem I'm having is that this particular atty was broken in. I had it at a sweet spot for a good couple of days before the burning feeling kicked in.

I'm just not sure where I went wrong lol The only way I can get a good hit now is to completely drown the atty and them I end up with a handful of liquid lol.

I'll keep messing with it and see if I can work it out. I'd like to pick up a bottom feeder sometime in the future and really want to use these attys as I love how they hit when they are hitting well. It's another learning curve again I suppose.

Thanks for your help though
 

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YES! I see what you mean; it is a 'moody' thing; your atty demands MORE and MORE liquid; and will only vape if you give it 'more liquid than it can wick'... I dont fully know why this is... But in my case removing the wicking fibers from the attys behaving this way seems to have helped... So my preliminary take on this is it might very well be the fact that the high level of heat is burning some liquid which is on the fibers and thus interrupting their wicking properties... So your atty needs more liquid and there is still some in the fibers which cannot process this, and you end up having A LOT... Possibly this could be the cause...
I guess...!
 

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Do you have a VV? The last shipment from Avidvaper for me has been terrible. The ohms start going way down after one week of use. It's quite possible when you got the atty the ohms were at 2.0 or 1.5. You might be vaping it at 1.2 or 1.1. I had one go all the way down to 1.0. If that's the case, the hit is going to be much stronger.
 

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I don't drip, but use a bottom-feeder (REO Mini and Grand) and use LR 306's 99% of the time. More often than not with any LR 306, including Ciscos, I wind up removing the wick - they all seem to get burnt-tasting. Once I do that, they're fine.


Yes; those wicking-fibers may become a PITA, for sure. They wont burn per se, but result in burning liquid which deposits on them (they would look black...) thus not only loosing their wicking properties but also becoming counter-productive and leading to many issues. This is specially true in the case of HV vaping and sounds like could be the possible reason for the OP's issue...
 
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Well, if you don't mind taking a chance on popping the atty, I would say do a PGA or Iso cleaning, let it dry, and then do a dry burn. This has worked for me in getting rid of the burnt atty taste on a Cisco. But if it doesn't taste burnt, it may be that (as someone else mentioned) the TH is to much for you at this point. Do you have any cold symptons which may be causing a sensite throat? I know for myself that last week I had a bug (felt like minor Strep with head congestion) and the throat hit I was getting from my 306LR's was harsh (which being a TH lover, I enjoyed). This week, cold is gone, and back to a normal TH...DOH!
 

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Well, if you don't mind taking a chance on popping the atty, I would say do a PGA or Iso cleaning, let it dry, and then do a dry burn. This has worked for me in getting rid of the burnt atty taste on a Cisco. But if it doesn't taste burnt, it may be that (as someone else mentioned) the TH is to much for you at this point. Do you have any cold symptons which may be causing a sensite throat? I know for myself that last week I had a bug (felt like minor Strep with head congestion) and the throat hit I was getting from my 306LR's was harsh (which being a TH lover, I enjoyed). This week, cold is gone, and back to a normal TH...DOH!

I guess you're right; sometimes the TH might feel harsh due to a sensitive throat... Then again, the OP's issue does not seem to be the case; and he mentioned 'ad fine' he apparently solved the issues by removing the wick...

I removed the wick at it seems to be performing better now. I really can't wait until I can get a bottom feeder. I much prefer the taste of dripping, but it's just not convenient when I'm working. At home it's great.

Thanks for all the help guys! You're all awesome as usual!
 
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Here Ill inlcude a post to another thread in which I have included some aspects which might improve the dripping experience...
They may come in handy...
And now my personal observations; hope they help:

1. Every atty is different and has its own 'personality', so how to drip it 'perfectly' will depend on 'discovering' it. Nevertheless, we may consider certain generalities:
1 bis. The size of the drop considered 'average' may substantially vary, and wattage; liquid's consistency, and every other circumstance will translate into different atty's needs... This together with "1" will determine the right vaping-dripping rythm;
2. Holding your PV in a horizontal position (so that liquid wont 'pool' into the cup which will cause flooding...), and giving it a rest between drags (as for the coil to complete the correct cooling off - heating intervals procedure...) will definitely make for a better dripping experience. Furthermore, this MAY very well be THE KEY to avoid the MAIN difficulties that may result from the direct-dripping experience.
3. Once the atty is fully primed it may take anywhere from 2 to four 'average' drops (on the rather 'smallish' side...). You should drip one drop and let it soak in (5 secs) and so on... Bear in mind that as you vape, liquid will make its way into the ceramic cup and if you 'rush' it, so to speak, when you re-drip then maybe you may end up flooding... So if you vape-hard and fast: drip less each time!

Once you get the 'feel' of your atty this all will have become second nature by then... And you will 'know'... However this process is a bit tricky, especially with LR 510s which for some reason seem to be moody when it comes to liquid...
The key is to be aware of the right amount to have your atty on that 'sweet spot' where it is neither with too much liquid nor running dry. From the circumstances the OP and others here have described it sounds as if you are having problems after priming, because you are obiously taken for granted the fact your atty has plenty of liquid but needs some time as to process it... This is a very natural problem to new-drippers... "My atty is working GREAT... Now its asking for more liquid... Now, wait! Its flooded...HOW come????"
Some coils are sometimes too displaced from the center cup air-intake and this may also make atties likely to leak...

The most common dripping problems ARE:

1. Leaking. This happens when too much liquid is dripped and it drains down the atty's thread, and as mentioned, it is common to missjudge this... The coil displacement or inconsistent atties may be the cause as well. Also: Maybe you broke your mesh or messed with the atty when modding it, or others...
2. Flooding. This happens when the juice in the cup is totally 'pooling' and thus resulting in more than can be processed by the coil... It may feel like your atty is thirsty which may make the beginner add even more juice... The typical symptom of this is a 'harsh' TH with a very low vapor production... Or a low quality in vapor production, depending on how seriously flooded you are... A bit of flooding may occur naturally and translate into simply a 'wet vape' which may even be appreciated as the standard...
3. Clogging. It happens when liquid floods or simply runs through the center-cup-hole interrupting the air passage.
4. Saturation. This happens when your mesh and/or wick are super full of liquid and just 'cannot take it anymore'. Their capacity to retain and dispense liquid has been virtually interrupted. This is also typical in a 'RUSHED' atty if you are a newbie.

Bear in mind that until you are experienced, a bit of any of those might occur and you will have to be content with getting an 'average' vape. Also, if you have a LR atty or High Watts set up, you may wanna keep your atty on the wet side without 'rushing' your dipping rythm. Oh! If it floods DO NOT blow it and simply give your atty a quick hard down-shake or two as to let the right amount of liquid drain, so you dont have to re-prime completely, avoinding this hassle every time, and also so that you get to save liquid.

Thats it!

PS: Sorry for any typos but its late and dont feel like correcting... :)

EDIT: The 306 LR is perfect for dripping, as mentioned, though CISCO's may be a bit of a PITA to break in... At least the only one I tried, but from what I hear this may be common... However is not that terrible; just that the rest of 306 LR do not need any break-in period and are great out-of-the-box. Same thing about IKV's atties... Then again I have only tried just one. But, on the other hand, both CISCO and IKVs are PERFECT performing-wise. They were brought to me by an american friend who told me I would love them, and I AM loving them so far! Will order many more soon......!
OH! And last but not least: inhaling through you unit without powering it may be good as to make the liquid back to the cup and avoid leaking and clogging and re-using it. But, you should be careful as you may force liquid out of the mesh or wicking fibers down the coil and you will end up creating a worse of a problem than that you were trying to prevent from happening...!


The 306 LR or any other atty with an exposed bridge is also a good option to DIP instead of DRIP. This is when you simply let the mesh of the bridge 'drink' from a pool of liquid for a bit (around 5 secs might do the trick). It may even work more consistently than dripping for newbies...

EDIT: The previous 'quotes' are from a thread @'how many drips to drop...?' but include some general direct-dripping tips which might be helpful...

BTW: Why is it that you dont find direct-dripping 'comfortable' when 'out'...?
 
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BTW: Why is it that you dont find direct-dripping 'comfortable' when 'out'...?

I work in film production. When I'm on set, I'm constantly running from place to place, rarely get to sit down and my pockets are full of extra radio batteries, pens, notepads and an assortment of other "need immediately" items. During work I keep my e-cig on a lanyard, use a carto and keep 1 spare on me.

Trying to carry a juice bottle, papertowel, etc and having time to stop and drip just isn't conducive to my work environment lol.
 

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Of course, as in most cases, direct-dripping may not be convenient 'on the go', and a good carto might come in handy...
Getting a bottom-feeding system sounds like will certainly do the trick from the circumstances you describe...
On the other hand though, I find the form-factor of most boxes to be a down-side and feel much more comfortable direct-dripping on my eGo... Of course I do this using a Spray-bottle I have modded as to pump two-droppies at-a-push, and it may be tricky getting used to this (you should turn it upside down before vaccum re-load and such which may be a pain...), but I have (Being using nasal sprays this way for years due to many allergies...) and its as simple as using a lighter to me... Totally second nature. And, the 901 LR atty branded SBL or SLB (the one with the ring) is my favorite set-up for direct-dripping when 'on the go' for it is very convenient in most aspects; and even though it may not really be the king, it is very consistent and dripping-friendly for the most part...
Bottom line is that, maybe, if you are having second thoughts about the form-factor to bottom-feeders and have not tried this atty, it may be a good choice if you dripped this with a bottle, if you find any, which you find comfortable and 'unmessy' to drip on the go... Dont know... Just a thought... Thing is that to me this set up works like a charm!
 

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Having a brain fart at the moment. By "form factor" do you mean the shape? I also prefer the cylinder shaped PV to the box shaped ones, but I made a couple lanyards for some box mods I had awhile back so I can rig up something to hold it as a lanyard regardless. It'll be awhile before i can afford a bottom feeder anyway so in the meantime I drip at home and use clearos out and about. It's not ideal, but when I'm at work I don't really have the time to sit down and leisurely enjoy my vaping experience anyway like I can at home.

The e-cigs have been wonderful for me in any form because on set, the days are usually very long..upwards of 18hrs at times and unless the director smokes, you don't get smoke breaks. Being able to take a hit or two off my e-cig while running from one place to another is great. I don't need to carry around little baggies for butts (most companies requires smokers to do this so they don't litter the production area) and I don't need to waste a full cigarette because I only have time for a couple of drags.

The worst was skipping meals because I only have 30min for lunch and it takes 15min to get through the catering line which left no time for a smoke break lol
 

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Ok, so maybe this is something you could try...

Just carrying a fully de-bridged and de-wicked atty... This set up will only be good as a direct-dripping one, only will let you drip in ONE drop (which will make for around 3-5 good puffs) or a just de-wicked LR atty. You will just have to drip one drop from a tiny bottle and will be good for the two to three puffs you seem to be taking on the go. The thing is that this set up will translate into a better TH, vapor and taste than any carto out there... And if you vape the way you do, the typical flooding, clogging problems wont appear with a de-bridged atty.
The LR ones might be a bit too hot if debridged and they may backsplash on your mouth, so maybe its better to just de-wick here (unless you enjoy that extra-heat and have a modded drip-tip dummy-cart or any drip tip which provides 'backsplash protection').
What Im saying is that this mod will let you take the occasional two or three puffs and make them even more enjoyable. Carrying the bottle around and having to drip THIS way wouldnt be much of a pain, but wouldnt really know... Maybe it is still more convenient to keep it cartos-wise, in your case... You could consider this though...!
 

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Yeah I appreciate the tip. The cartos have just been more convenient at work as all I have to do is grab the lanyard, take a draw or two and drop it back down. I can do that while moving around as opposed to having to stop and watch where I'm dripping, etc.

I'm home more than i'm at work (the industry is dead around here right now) so I get to drip most of the time. The cartos give me the quick nic fix I need at work which can get really stressful some days so it's more about that than the "ahhhh great vape" experience I go for at home.
 
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