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RipTodd

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Hello vapers. I'm relatively new to the forum and I'd like to have your opinions. I searched kayfun on eBay and noticed the only products available were clones. The thing is, if I wasn't aware of the clone issue,I would have thought these were authentic, down to the Svoe Mesto logos.

Is this rip off culture looked down upon or accepted?
 

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It all depends on how you look at it. I personally own several authentic and several clones. My 2 favorite set ups are the hana dna with a plume veil both authentic and my k100 with trident v2 both clones. As long as the sellers are properly listing authentic and clones I think it is a win win for everyone. Are there those that will take advantage of unknowing people that think they are getting the authentic version absolutely. It up to the buyer to be diligent in their buying and look for reputable trust worthy vendors. Met a guy at a local meet and he was loving his new authentic nemmy at the time. Sadly it wasn't authentic and he got taken for a ride, which both parties are to blame imho.
 

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This comes up quite a bit actually, and you'll hear many different opinions on the subject for sure... lets hope it stays civilized!
Many here own several clones, most of which perform beautifully! Others can be questionable.
Some think of clones something like Weird-Al doing a parody, it's like an homage, others think it's more of a rip-off and denying the original manufacturer the monetary reward of their hard work in developing the device... a lot of money goes into designing, developing and manufacturing of a piece of art just to have a factory take their specs and run off mass produces replicas at a percentage of the price of the original.

Then there are the obvious "Counterfeits" where every detail is copied and passed off as an authentic for nearly the same price as the real thing...
^^^This^^^ is absolutely frowned upon in these parts... the other points are always a personal choice and open for discussion.

If I can afford the original, I buy the original... if it's too far out of my price range, I "may" get a clone... but I don't always need the next best thing on the market.
 

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If you have a good vaping experience that maybe you couldnt afford with an authentic then nobody here has the right to look down on you.

I own a provari, I am willing to pay for quality. I also own a lot of clones. I really dont care what anyone thinks about it one way or the other. I dont care if they were sold as kayfun styled with no logo, or sold to look like a 1:1 copy. I download movies illegally, and music, and software...

I simply do not care. I dont smoke anymore, and I have helped 12 people quit smoking. Some are using knock off nautilus clones and kayfun clones... some are owners of original mods and rdas now.... not my buisness... do not care... at all... quit smoking... good for them... i cant seem to find it in me to cry for the designers of originals.

The kayfun 4.1 is sold out... so I know people that are buying clones until on becomes available... People are lining up in droves to buy a piece of lathed metal for over 100$... I would say they are doing just fine with or without clones on the market.

Who cares really? I bet another one of these threads will crop up in the next 48 hours... a week tops.
 

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This comes up quite a bit actually, and you'll hear many different opinions on the subject for sure... lets hope it stays civilized!

Didn't mean to start something, maybe I should have been more specific.

Wouldn't it be considered unethical to advertise a product in your eBay store, repeatedly mentioning the oem and the model, never mentioning a clone, and selling an item that includes the oem's logo?
 

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Didn't mean to start something, maybe I should have been more specific.

Wouldn't it be considered unethical to advertise a product in your eBay store, repeatedly mentioning the oem and the model, never mentioning a clone, and selling an item that includes the oem's logo?

Heh... Don't sweat it, you didn't start anything... Sometimes, the folks responding can get a bit, how would you say... "Passionate"? :D
 
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personally if i buy a clone, i would never buy from fleabay,(as there are some really poor clones) there are reputable companies that sell good quality Clones, or you can get good quality RBA's like the Lemo or Youde UD AGA t5 both perform well and under £30. I will also sometimes buy a clone and if i like buy the original.
 

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One of the objectives with purchasing is reliability, and frankly, clones often do not come close to the original manufacturer calibre with regards to workmanship, engineering, materials, or investment in quality machinery to create a quality product. Small margins in these areas can make a profound difference with the usefulness of products. I have purchased known clones that did not live up to their manufacturers' claims, leaking juice, poor fitting parts, and unattractive appearances. I've never been disappointed by the purchase of authentic equipment from a REPUTABLE seller. I've purchased batteries that have been re-wrapped, claiming to be original--some immediately getting hot when used! I have also purchased clones that worked flawlessly, but have been few and far between. I've even had a surprise ingredient in juice.

There are inherent dangers involved with the acts of vaping, as intimate as we are with our devices, and the aerosol of the juice, or the machine oil that may reside in a knock-off atty. The vape world has become a multi-million dollar industry, and our lives are influenced by the deceitful and greedy. I've personally found that investing in authentic devices allows me greater satisfaction overall, and as I felt when I smoked, I want what I want, and I want it to be there for me. Almost all clones have been, or will be reviewed extensively by real-life users, and some with a wealth of knowledge on the subject of devices. I use this forum to inform me of the greater product in an effort to obtain the most satisfying experience.
 

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I've been gone awhile after getting p.o.ed about the arguments. Clones, or not, good batteries, bad batteries. Some people trying to make more money just by waving the American flag and trying to guilt people into buying. Hummm......where was this whole E-Cig thing invented and started?....OH, that's right...China. In 2003 by a Doctor who's brother died of lung cancer from smoking 3 packs a day from authentic American cigs. How ironic. Do a web search you'll find all the info on him. I have 3 Authenics and 15 clones. Failed buttons on SVD. Bad spring in top contact with Mojo clone. I re-milled post's on Mephisto clone so the screws would clamp the coil wires. All the rest clones work great. Love the the Kayfun V3 clone. Just ordered 2 Kayfun V4 from Code Vape (yesterday). Hurry up, they have a few left.
 

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Hello vapers. I'm relatively new to the forum and I'd like to have your opinions. I searched Kayfun on eBay and noticed the only products available were clones. The thing is, if I wasn't aware of the clone issue,I would have thought these were authentic, down to the Svoe Mesto logos.

Is this rip off culture looked down upon or accepted?

It ought to be embraced. Without clones, I would never have found authentic versions to support. My greatest satisfaction is in purchasing a clone, and then purchasing enough authentic parts/accessories to bring it up to or just below the level of the authentic, at a cost (to me) well below the authentic's retail price.

As for those selling clones as authentics, I feel that is a horrible practice. A clone is a clone, regardless of how close it looks to an original.

There are exceptions, though. A dealer in California sold a limited run (500 serialized pcs) on an authentic made in the U.S.A. mod. It turned out to be an EnZonic clone with different logos, made in China.

Then there was the Aqua V2 debacle. FooToon finally admitted that the "authentic" first two runs of that atomizer were not made in his factory, lending credence to FastTech's claims to have sourced an OEM version.
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I find those kind of practices on the part of "authentic" manufacturers equally horrible. Perhaps more so, as they at least have a responsibility to the vaping community to be honest.
 
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