Cloning Milk and Honey

[nicobeak]

Dr and associates,
Did anyone get a chance to mix up my last post?

I haven't tried the real deal in a while, but this is definitely the best thing I've made so far. I know the ingredients seem weird, but seriously, somebody please try it if they have the supplies and post back. I'll post it again:

Fresh Cream (FA) 1.50%
Meringue (FA) 1.50%
Vanilla Swirl (TFA) 2.00%
Bergamot (FA) 0.25%
Honey Dilution 10% (FA) 1.00%
Bavarian Cream (TFA) 4.00%
Graham Cracker Clear (TFA) 3.00%
Banana (MF) 0.25%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.00%

 

[Vulcy88]

This thread has just made me order my first bottle of M&H. This will be my first 'premium' liquid I've ever ordered. Can't wait to try it, hope it lives up to all the excitement. I've just got into DIY, mostly fruit flavours at the moment but if its good I could end up part of this thread

 

[nicobeak]

@cheesebanana and @Vulcy88 welcome. Vulcy, post back with your first impressions of M&H (anything you taste). It might help us decipher some hidden things that we didn't think about.

 

[DrLucky]

I have not gotten to try it yet, nicobeak. Where do you get that banana from?
I'm very interested as my last batches were off and my first guess is a different banana.

 

[Vulcy88]

Dr and associates,
Did anyone get a chance to mix up my last post?

I haven't tried the real deal in a while, but this is definitely the best thing I've made so far. I know the ingredients seem weird, but seriously, somebody please try it if they have the supplies and post back. I'll post it again:

Fresh Cream (FA) 1.50%
Meringue (FA) 1.50%
Vanilla Swirl (TFA) 2.00%
Bergamot (FA) 0.25%
Honey Dilution 10% (FA) 1.00%
Bavarian Cream (TFA) 4.00%
Graham Cracker Clear (TFA) 3.00%
Banana (MF) 0.25%
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.00%

I see why people love this so much, lovely sweet complex flavour yet really light, could easily vape this all day.

Using nicobeaks most recent as my base I'll add my comments:

Fresh Cream (FA) 1.50%
Meringue (FA) 1.50% - yes this!... Or some kind of icing/glaze - some sort of sweet melt on the tongue flavour
Vanilla Swirl (TFA) 2.00% - personally I'd say there's no vanilla in here and if there is its only tiny amounts. I really dislike vanilla so I feel I'm fairly sensitive to it.
Bergamot (FA) 0.25%
Honey Dilution 10% (FA) 1.00% - I agree that there is some honey in there
Bavarian Cream (TFA) 4.00% - hmm I'd need to look to see what exists but as M&H is so light maybe swap one of the creams for lighter 'milk' flavour?
Graham Cracker Clear (TFA) 3.00% - I agree there's a bakery note in there
Banana (MF) 0.25% - maybe a bit (a tiny bit but I can definitely taste it) more banana?
Peanut Butter (TFA) 1.00% - I'm not getting any peanut or nutty flavour particularly but that might be me, though I seem to remember back in the thread this adds 'texture' rather than flavour?

I haven't got the ingredients to try nicobeaks recipe, my comments are purely what I would do for my first attempt (need to go flavour shopping first). If I try this I'll probably have to make some substitutions, some of these flavours aren't easily available in the uk

 

[cheesebanana]

Okay, I'm about to make a re-order of flavours from chefsvapour.co.uk

They carry pretty much every company of flavour concentrates. Is there anything you guys are thinking of experimenting with that you'd like me to order? I already have the following that are probably relevant:

Bavarian cream tpa
Dairy milk tpa
Cheesecake(graham crust) tpa
French vanilla (tpa)
Marshmallow (FW)
Smooth (tpa)
Sweet cream (tpa)
Sucralose (tpa)

What else should I get to start experimenting with you guys, and is there anything you want me to try out while I'm making an order?

Might just grab like anything mentioned in the last 3 pages.

Gone through 60ml of m&h in the last like 4 days. Need to diy for my wallets sake.

 

[oBen]

Hi guys I have been keeping a close eye on this thread as I've recently been going through bottles of M&H and what to try crack the code on the clone. I've ordered everything for your last 2 mixes DrLucky. I also read on a U.S. forum that Captain Crunch is an ingredient, where would you fit that in as I've ordered some of that as well.

 

[nicobeak]

I have not gotten to try it yet, nicobeak. Where do you get that banana from?
I'm very interested as my last batches were off and my first guess is a different banana.

The banana is Medicine Flower, it is very concentrated (actually not suspended in any carrier). There is a guy on another forum that sells dilutions of the MF stuff in VG. That is where I first tried it b/c the stuff is expensive direct.

Almost all the MF stuff I have tried is incredible. AB Dada's site is reputable and he is a good dude if you want to try them out: Medicine Flower Flavor Dilutions in VG | The Secret Labs of A.B. Dada

 

[Vulcy88]

Cheesebanana (please tell me that's not a flavour you vape he he) thanks for mentioning chefs vapour, for some reason I've never come across that site before

 

[DrLucky]

Nicobeak, I plan ordering some and giving it a try! What dilution did you order yours at?

My last several batches still have the same odd funk to them that I can only describe as moldy haha. Gonna have to figure out where that's coming from and remove it from the batches. I hope it's not the Fresh Cream

 

[nicobeak]

Nicobeak, I plan ordering some and giving it a try! What dilution did you order yours at?

My last several batches still have the same odd funk to them that I can only describe as moldy haha. Gonna have to figure out where that's coming from and remove it from the batches. I hope it's not the Fresh Cream

I ordered 10% dilution. That way when I got the undiluted stuff in, I could just move a decimal over to adjust the recipe.

 

[nicobeak]

I am using fresh cream in mine with no funk. It is actually really good. I don't even know what to change with it.

 

[ckquatt]

I saw this in another thread called "Scutch". Here's the link:
Scutch - RWhy4 Reloaded | E-Cigarette Forum

The first post is very interesting. Here's the recipe and what he wrote about it. I bolded in red the important part. Might be something to look into, or play around with. I've never had M&H so I can't compare it, but I do have all the ingredients to make this.

All flavors were TPA using the hot water bath method for a mild quick steep.

7% Double RY4
3% Butterscotch (some may want to adjust this lower)
3% Pistachio
3% Vanilla Swirl
2% Bavarian Cream
2% Caramel Candy
(Use Toasted Almond instead of Pistachio for a completely different flavor)

Smell: A vanilla custard with butterscotch. Smells a lot like Big Willie's Vanilla Custard.

Taste: A very complex hybrid between a RY4 and Vanilla custard. Before steeping you may get a more pronounced cherry note from the pistachio which many people have enjoyed. As this recipe steeps the flavors meld together into a sophisticated "darker" flavor. The tobacco is very subtle and most people won't even notice it's there. The Butterscotch is well pronounced in this recipe and "custardizes" this juice further. The vanilla and cream ads great balance to the darker notes of this recipe and helps smooth and lighten the taste on the back end.

Replacing the Pistachio with Toasted Almond changes this juice by a surprising amount. The "honey oat - like" (Think Honey Nut Cheerios or Cosmic Fog's Milk and Honey) flavor really shines in this mix and some people prefer this version over the Pistachio.

I've had Honey Nut Cheerio vapes before. (The Lost Art's Bee's Knee's) If that's what Milk and Honey is supposed to mimic, I'll give this recipe a shot with and without the RY4.

Worth a shot!

 

[oBen]

I seen this somewhere I've made some up to steep. What do you think guys any chance it'll be close??

I've copied and pasted.....

the numbers on the right are for a 500ml batch, left is for 30ml. i just copy/pasted from my master list. all my mixes are VG / VG only nic added so the result is 70vg/30pg

TFA graham(clear) 1 / 17, TFA caramel (OG) 1 / 17, FW cap. crunch .9 / 15, TFA Peanut Butter 1 / 17, TFA Vanilla swirl .6 / 10, TFA custard 1.2 / 20, TFA nana cream 3 / 50, TFA cotton candy .3 / 5

 

[DrLucky]

Sorry, oBen, I can't make out the percentages of the recipe you posted. From what I can gather, it looks like too much banana cream
I want to give it a shot though

 

[DoubleEwe]

Sorry, oBen, I can't make out the percentages of the recipe you posted. From what I can gather, it looks like too much banana cream
I want to give it a shot though

oBen's Recipe converted to Percentages:
TFA graham(clear) 3.4%
TFA caramel (OG) 3.4%
FW cap. crunch 3%
TFA Peanut Butter 3.4%
TFA Vanilla swirl 2%
TFA custard 4%
TFA nana cream 10%
TFA cotton candy 1%
total flavour: 30.2% (151ml/500ml = 0.302)

 

[cheesebanana]

know what i think would be super useful? if anybody has a friend who they know has never had legit M&H before. donate a bottle to them. take the labels off, dont tell them what it is, not even the name, because the name is misleading, and ask them after they've finished it what flavours they found.

Every time somebody mentions a flavour in here, thats all i can taste afterwards. We need somebody that is totally objective.

 

[cheesebanana]

Like, the first time i saw somebody mention banana in here, was the first time i got any hints of banana in there. And now thats definitely one of the main flavours for me.

And that last comment about toasted hazelnuts, now i cant really taste anything BUT toasted hazelnuts

 

[oBen]

I've never tried it send some my way

 

[nicobeak]

I seen this somewhere I've made some up to steep. What do you think guys any chance it'll be close??

I've copied and pasted.....

the numbers on the right are for a 500ml batch, left is for 30ml. i just copy/pasted from my master list. all my mixes are VG / VG only nic added so the result is 70vg/30pg

TFA graham(clear) 1 / 17, TFA caramel (OG) 1 / 17, FW cap. crunch .9 / 15, TFA Peanut Butter 1 / 17, TFA Vanilla swirl .6 / 10, TFA custard 1.2 / 20, TFA nana cream 3 / 50, TFA cotton candy .3 / 5

That's from reddit. No, I don't think it'll be close. That guy sounded like he knew what he was talking about, but, at least when it comes to this, he does not.