Cloning Milk and Honey

[DoubleEwe]

Anybody got any update on their recipes? I mean for the milk and honey.

I did see another recipe elsewhere (Again), but I don't have the ingredients to make it. It might have been tried before, but:
Peanut Butter (TFA) - 1.5%
Graham Cracker Clear (TFA) - 4%
Banana Cream (LA) - 1.5%
Marshmallow (Cap) - 1.5%
Acetyl Pyrazine (TFA) - .7%
Vanilla Classic (FA) - 1%
Vanilla Custard V2 (Cap) - 1%
Sugar Cookie (Cap) - 1.5%
Toasted Marshmallow (TFA) - 1%
Butterscotch (FA) - 1%

It is on a 'mega list' of clone recipes on another forum. They say all tried and tested etc, so it might be worth a mix if someone has those flavourings....

 

[dpgfla]

It's been quite a while since I've done any DIY but it's good to see that the hunt for this recipe is still going strong. I haven't vaped Milk and Honey in ages but I just ran out of my all day juice so I think I may mix up some of these recipes tonight.

 

[pkt1]

I have been lurking from the start and I really thought you guys were going to nail this down. Lots of hard work went into this by a number of you
and I can understand becoming frustrated but I haven't seen this kind of team effort go into Milk N Honey on any other Forums here or abroad.

We need new bodies or a 2nd string to pick up where 1st string left off but we need a CLEAR Starting Point while yall rest )
Having said that if DrLucky, nicobeak, C4M3120N, ckquatt & matrix961, ++ would be kind enough to list the components that
they thought were their best effort.
This gives the 2nd string a strong starting point and may reduce the number of flavors needed to get going, as you know this can add up quick.

Although there are other ways. I noticed this recipe on another Forum and thought it may have promise so I placed the order thru "vape Crafter" at a very reasonable price. They have a large listing of flavors and vendors. I was having trouble finding the flavors elsewhere so this allowed me to get started.
This will be my first try.

2% Bavarian Cream (TPA)
3% Butterscotch (TPA)
2% Caramel (Original) (TPA)
4% Graham Cracker (Clear) (TPA)
3% Marshmallow (TPA)
4% Toasted Almond (TPA)
3% Vanilla Swirl (TPA)

It's my hope that others will follow and I'm sure the OP (DrLucky) and crew will step back in when their tongues heal and they vape off their experiments.

 

[matrix961]

I have been lurking from the start and I really thought you guys were going to nail this down. Lots of hard work went into this by a number of you
and I can understand becoming frustrated but I haven't seen this kind of team effort go into Milk N Honey on any other Forums here or abroad.

We need new bodies or a 2nd string to pick up where 1st string left off but we need a CLEAR Starting Point while yall rest )
Having said that if DrLucky, nicobeak, C4M3120N, ckquatt & matrix961, ++ would be kind enough to list the components that
they thought were their best effort.
This gives the 2nd string a strong starting point and may reduce the number of flavors needed to get going, as you know this can add up quick.

Although there are other ways. I noticed this recipe on another Forum and thought it may have promise so I placed the order thru "Vape Crafter" at a very reasonable price. They have a large listing of flavors and vendors. I was having trouble finding the flavors elsewhere so this allowed me to get started.
This will be my first try.

2% Bavarian Cream (TPA)
3% Butterscotch (TPA)
2% Caramel (Original) (TPA)
4% Graham Cracker (Clear) (TPA)
3% Marshmallow (TPA)
4% Toasted Almond (TPA)
3% Vanilla Swirl (TPA)

It's my hope that others will follow and I'm sure the OP (DrLucky) and crew will step back in when their tongues heal and they vape off their experiments.

Welcome, yeah it's been awhile but I myself haven't given up on the quest for cloning this. Over the past few months I've been focusing on trying different manufacturer's versions of flavors for marshmallow, vanilla icecream-ish, graham, caramel, nutty types etc. I think we have the right types of ingredients and the thought of it being a marshmallowy type base but maybe it's a certain manufacturer's version of one or more of the ingredients. So I've been quietly collecting different versions of these flavorings and testing them out. I haven't had any major break throughs but have come up with some possibilities. I'll post back with some info here soon.

 

[pkt1]

Wonderful Matrix961 This is like the Holy Grail of E Juice. Looking forward to helping anyway I can.

 

[matrix961]

Wonderful Matrix961 This is like the Holy Grail of E Juice. Looking forward to helping anyway I can.

Found something interesting in another thread from back in June. Looks like someome named debb in the "for all you milk n honey fans" thread on the last page noted a flavor from OSDIY tastes like M&H. The flavor is called "On Stop Blends - Lucky Shot" and looks like a flavor blend. Whats interesting is its a blend of vanilla, caramel, and graham which has me interested. Im ordering some to test it out, ill keep ya posted on what i find out.

Even tho it says vanilla im keeping an open mind since i have alot of flavors that taste nothing like what they say they are lol. At any rate ill use it for something eventually if it doesnt pan out for M&H.

Ill post my current WIP this evening when i get home.

Added WIP Recipe:

Here is what I've been working on lately. After testing different versions of some ingredients like marshmallow I haven't found any major breakthroughs but did find that adding malted milk at low percentage adds a nice creaminess. Just can't go too high with it or else it tastes like vomit on the exhale. Smells good tho, weird stuff.

TFA Marshmallow - 3.5%
TFA Malted Milk - 2.0%
TFA Vanilla Swirl - 1.5%
CAP Graham Cracker - 1.5%
TFA Caramel Original - 1.0%
TFA Peanut Butter - 0.5%

For extra sweetness, 1 drop of TFA Sweetener per 10ml does the trick.

Currently experimenting with TFA Toasted Almond added in by drops. Currently up to 2 drops per 10ml for this mix. There is still something not right with the nuttiness tho. More experimentation needed. Might need to try some different Almond flavors from different manufacturers.

Just thought of another thing. I never tried a toasted marshmallow in my recipes. I'm thinking I probably should. I'll have to get some and test it out. I see other recipes have it.

 

[pkt1]

it's funny you say that as Toasted Marshmallow is the first thing I put on my list to buy. when vaping the original
that's what it reminds me of, It's good you see you on to that one.
Have you tried anything close to what I have coming from Vape Crafter ? I ordered a 30ml bottle plus another clone being Mother’s Milk. It'll be interesting to see how well they do.

I have a fairly large list of flavors, not sure their all needed, I would like to get them all on a single order, I'm a shipping miser, but the toasted marshmallow is one that's hard to find in stock.......guess I just need to get off my wallet and make multiple orders!

Getting back on track here your recipe above looks good....I see you took out the toasted almond . Substituting the toasted marshmallow over the regular....you may be on to somethin.

 

[satchvai]

Glad to see this thread still active. I'm going to start working on it as well. Love me some m&h!

 

[pkt1]

Welcome satchvai. The more heads the better. It would be great to crack this egg huh!

 

[JohnnyDill]

it tastes like vomit on the exhale.

 

[matrix961]

Lucky Shot flavoring is looking promising as a base for M&H clone. Its good stuff, im liking it. Doing some tests today adding some extras for creaminess & nutty notes.

I can definitely taste a type of vanilla that is marshmallowy to me. I can also smell and taste the caramel and graham notes.

Ran into a snag today when i went to pickup an original bottle to compare with. My local b&m stopped carrying it. Apparently i was one of the only few buying it. Oh well just have to order some online so have to wait to do a new comparison.

I got my toasted marshallow today as well. Seems like the same smell as the cap marshmallow to me. Maybe a bit lighter.

I'll post some of my results with lucky shot soon.

 

[pkt1]

So how's the Lucky Shot ? The larger bottles are gone! They make it sound good

 

[matrix961]

So how's the Lucky Shot ? The larger bottles are gone! They make it sound good

It's definitely good. I reminds me of M&H minus the nuttiness and light banana that M&H seemed to have. Vaping it at 13% brought back certain characteristics that I remember in M&H like the marshmallowy taste with a hint of graham. I cant place the vanilla/marshmallow type taste in it tho.

Its like nothing I have in my inventory. Although I've smelled it in other juices. Anyways I'm testing adding some nutty tones with small amounts of peanut butter and toasted almond as well as a light banana cream pie type flavor.

 

[satchvai]

I added 3% FA Banana to 15% lucky shot. Very light, natural banana flavor that is close to what I pick up from m&h. Also added .5 FA walnut. Getting there, now working on the marshmallow.

Added 1.5% FA marshmallow. Definitely not the right marshmallow but really good.

Will try another couple batches using TFA marshmallow and toasted.

Lucky shot definitely makes this easier..

 

[matrix961]

I added 3% FA Banana to 15% lucky shot. Very light, natural banana flavor that is close to what I pick up from m&h. Also added .5 FA walnut. Getting there, now working on the marshmallow.

Nice, that's a good idea with the walnut. I'm going to order some this week.

I'm currently using 1.5% banana cream pie from mount baker vapor which seems to be working ok. It has a bit of a pie crust note to it and the banana comes through with a light taste. Increasing it to much and I start getting that damn banana candy flavor.

I was also thinking about adding some toasted marshmallow I just got.

 

[satchvai]

Nice, that's a good idea with the walnut. I'm going to order some this week.

I'm currently using 1.5% banana cream pie from mount baker vapor which seems to be working ok. It has a bit of a pie crust note to it and the banana comes through with a light taste. Increasing it to much and I start getting that damn banana candy flavor.

I was also thinking about adding some toasted marshmallow I just got.

Give FA Banana a shot. No candy flavor and if I had to guess, it is probably what they're using. The walnut accents it according to HICs flavor notes, that's why I put it in.

 

[pkt1]

A shop near me had a close out sale on M&H so I grabbed a couple of bottles. I'm still waiting on my stuff.

matrix thanks for the tip with Lucky Shot, they now have the large bottles so my cheap ... can now place my flavor order.

satchvai you mention "HICs flavor notes" ??? FA Banana and Walnut on the list. I need to be prepared, you guys may be getting close.

 

[matrix961]

Here is what I have so far.

OSDIY Lucky Shot - 13.5%
TFA Toasted Marshmallow - 1%
TFA Peanut Butter - .5%

I stopped testing with the MBV Banana Cream Pie since the pie crust note started affecting the total mix at 1.5%. It's a good flavor but needs to be even lower in the mix I think. I'm really wanting to try the FA Banana so I got that on order as well as the walnut.

Just as it stands right now with the above recipe it's really tasty.

 

[satchvai]

A shop near me had a close out sale on M&H so I grabbed a couple of bottles. I'm still waiting on my stuff.

matrix thanks for the tip with Lucky Shot, they now have the large bottles so my cheap ... can now place my flavor order.

satchvai you mention "HICs flavor notes" ??? FA Banana and Walnut on the list. I need to be prepared, you guys may be getting close.

Headinclouds. You'll see his tasting notes if you Google for all FA flavor s Trying .25 on walnut next batch, .5 steeped through too strong. Or may try adding the TFA peanut butter in at 1%. Still missing the sweet exhale, will put tfa marshmallow in next batch.
Nice thing is all th these mixes taste great.
On second thought, nixing the walnut. It's a little too accurate and adds a bitter note.

 

[matrix961]

I definitely like the regular marshmallow over the toasted. I also think it does a better job at taming the graham flavor. I definitely tasted more graham in the recipe that is using the toasted marshmallow. The recipe with the regular marshmallow seems more balanced to me. It also has that nice fluffier marshmallow smell even tho it’s only at 1.5%.

I also increased peanut butter to 1% and added the toasted almond back in at .5% in these last 2 test batches.

I’ll let these 2 steep for a few more days and check them again. I should have my next flavor order with the FA Banana by Saturday.

Satchvai, what are the thoughts on the FA Banana at the 3% you used? I was thinking since I’m at 13.5% Lucky Shot that I may start at 2-2.5%.