Greetings,
Joined : June 29, 2013
Here’s my “Straight to the Point” view :
I can eat bananas, cherries, strawberries or drink coffee, pina-colada, root beer, cola... ANYWHERE.
BUT
I can’t smoke my (commercial brand) cigarette anywhere.
I’m NEW to vaping, in fact… my kit is coming in the mail soon.
My wish to all you DIY eliquid makers or developers…. :
Please replicate as many “commercial” brands as possible.
This endeavor could shut down all tobacco companies…. Isn’t that the goal to vaping ?
Change the world….one pack at a time.
I’m so confused when it comes to reviews on eliquids. Are there eliquid reviews here that are done
by veteran smokers rather than veteran vapers ? ?
Based on researching eliquids, its seems difficult to replicate analog cigarettes but who’s the closest ?
Why do those eliquids claiming to be close to analog cigarettes have a sweet flavor ?
Why are people (supposedly smokers or ex-smokers) comparing Mint to Menthol or Tobacco to Licorice ? ?
Confused…. I’m confused…..
I really…really…really want to see reviews from vapers (veteran or not) who have been smoking in excess of twenty years….. I would have a tendency to believe their reviews.
Please don’t hate me for posting this but when it comes to finding eliquids to try ….I’m at a total loss.
I wish there was a B&H Thread or Kool Thread or Camel Thread or Newport Thread or Djarium Thread….
Smokers…..when you do a review,…compare it to the analog cigarettes you used to smoke, that’s all.
You smokers who have smoked for many many years can help people like me out.
If you make a review on tobacco or menthol or clove flavors….tell us what ‘commercial’ brand you are comparing it to (preferably a commercial brand you used to smoke regularly) …. Please ?
It seems like more and more reviews are trying to get you to vape and not trying to get you to quit smoking (if that makes any sense). Then there are reviews that tell you vaping is MUCH cheaper than cigarettes yet the advice is to try as many eliquids as possible….how much is THAT gonna cost ?
Confused…… aye ya yieee….
In either case…. I care about my health. I’m gonna give it vaping a shot.
Greetings ,
Getting back to the topic of this thread.....
Do you people think that there should be a thread to post eliquid reviews and flavors that would "resemble" specific commercial brand tobacco companies ? ?
Apparently.... "true blue" vapers do not like or condone promoting eliquids that taste like cigarettes ( I guess ) ? ?
I have a feeling that if smokers had SOME reference in which to start vaping or consider vaping.... those threads would be of great value to the vaping community. The number of vapers would skyrocket.
Anyone agree ? ?
Ok.. You have gone straight to the point and in summary throughout this entire thread with asll the replies you got saying pretty much the same thing covering a number of different prospectives !! I am going to break it down straight to the point...
Amongst the first part of your post you stated...
I’m NEW to vaping, in fact… my kit is coming in the mail soon.
My wish to all you DIY eliquid makers or developers…. :
Please replicate as many “commercial” brands as possible.
This endeavor could shut down all tobacco companies…. Isn’t that the goal to vaping ?
Change the world….one pack at a time.
Addressing #1 - Most eliquid companies know that nowadays... Most vapers do not stick with tobacco flavors when they switch to vaping. As a matter of fact, Most vapors try so many tobaccos at first because that's what they are used to coming from smoking ..
[Now, burning paper, burning tobacco, and incendiary measure for over 5000 chemicals (known to be used in cigarettes) cannot be adequately or accurately produced in eliquid flavoring ( unless infact actually using some of those chemicals and most are known to be toxic to humans..in fact, cancerous / causing)] only to find that hey, after while the tobacco flavored eliquid taste like crude and the nice bakery , soda, fruit, etc. flavored eliquids really hit the spot and why in the h*** would I want to stick with tobacco flavors when that is what I am trying to get away from in the first place!!
The nic is still there.. as long as I want it and as much mg as I want it. After a week or two, you too will find that tobacco flavored eliquid taste like crap and you wish you started vaping sooner because all the other type flavors taste so much better and you start smelling better, your teeth no longer yellow, your breathing and health start improving, you don't cough up that lung in the mornings, you have the benefit of better energy, people start talking to you more because you don't stink and your not as agitated anymore, and for the most part, you can vape around others without any complaints.
Address # 2 - Do you people think that there should be a thread to post eliquid reviews and flavors that would "resemble" specific commercial brand tobacco companies ? ?
Again, in relation to address # 1- Most eliquid production companies that are corporate like TW have quite a few tobacco flavors....
Also, bear in mind that most of these companies have in fact realized through test marketing that tobacco flavors do not market well against the majority because there is a higher preference for all the other possible flavors that are more capable of being more closely developed. Bad on the bottom dollar to carry juices that primarily sit for long periods of time if premixed and have more of a potential to go bad or flavorings that have more of a potential in mass quantities to go bad before use because the market doesn't support their use as much. Clear picture: Tobacco flavors do not perform well in the vaping world because nobody usually sticks with the crappy flavor of a cigarette when they can get into flavors that taste so much better for their money. That is not to say that their is a percentage of folks that do acquire likeable tobacco flavors ( although a very low percentage IMO) and their are even more folks that just simply vape some combination of PG/VG/DW/PGA with nic only and no flavoring what so ever ( those folks say that taste like a Marlboro Light.. and some may even add a little menthol flavoring from crystal form to that and then you have a menthol).
Address # 3 - Apparently.... "true blue" vapers do not like or condone promoting eliquids that taste like cigarettes ( I guess ) ? ?
Coming from a thirty + year smoker and 6years smoke free due to vaping at this point... I applaud your jump to get into vaping. There are a lot of folks that don't want to stop smoking traditional cigarettes(analogs) and they either want to vape, as well as smoke or perhaps, vape to reduce the amount they smoke. All applaudable- Any cut is better than no cut!! There are also those that from the get go know that they want to outright quit smoking by any means and vape as an alternative to smoking from here on out or at some time wean from vaping and quit all together.
Now, to address # 3 - realize that all points are related to the fact that vaping is vaping and smoking analogs is smoking analogs. The only difference is the method by which you achieve nicotine delivery and the amount and quantity of each product used in the e-liquid versus the analog.
Analogs: ( Marlboro for example
Non-Tobacco and Non-flavoring Chemicals during processing Tobacco leaves
CATEGORY
INGREDIENT
QUANTITY NOT EXCEEDED [% in cigarette]
CIGARETTE PAPERS
Cigarette paper is the wrapping material surrounding the tobacco rod to form a cigarette rod. The cigarette paper is made of cellulose and may contain additives to provide whiteness, improve ash appearance and to help ensure burn uniformity.
CELLULOSE
9.3
CALCIUM CARBONATE
4.6
MONOPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE
1.4
SIDESEAM ADHESIVES
Sideseam adhesive is used to secure the cigarette paper around the tobacco rod. Sideseam adhesives are used in small amounts.
ETHYLENE/VINYL ACETATE, COPOLYMER EMULSION IN WATER
0.3
MONOGRAM INKS
Cigarette papers often have a small brand identifying mark (monogram) printed either on the cigarette paper towards the filter end of the cigarette or on the tipping paper. The monogram is printed on the paper using a minute amount of ink. The monogram inks used on our cigarettes may contain, for example, black, blue, red and/or yellow pigments.
IRON OXIDE BLACK
0.005
FILTRATION MATERIALS
Cigarette filters are attached to the end of the cigarette rod. Filters are made in a variety of designs. In addition to papers and adhesives (both of which are discussed separately), most cigarette filters contain filtration materials known as a filter tow and a plasticizer. The filter tow is the bundle of cellulose acetate fibers or papers that comprise the bulk of a cigarette filter. A plasticizer is a softening agent that is added to the filter tow in small quantities to bind the filter fibers together. Some of our brands also contain carbon designed to assist in the filtration process.
FILTER PAPERS (including PLUG WRAPS, TIPPING PAPERS and TIPPING PAPER INKS)
A cigarette filter contains two papers. First, a plug wrap is used to contain the filtration materials (i.e., filter tow and plasticizer). Second, a tipping paper holds the filter to the cigarette rod. The tipping paper is wrapped around the filter assembly (i.e., filtration materials and plug wrap) and extends over the cigarette rod. Tipping paper is made from cellulose fiber and may have applied to it various colorants (e.g., pigments to give a cork appearance and/or to add a monogram) and coatings (e.g., to prevent the cigarette from sticking to the lips.
<<<<< Partial excerpt from list... follow link to see the full list of chemicals...)
http://www.philipmorrisusa.com/en/c...o_Flavor_Ingredients/default.aspx?src=top_nav - his reference material from the URL listed even states that not all formulas or chemicals are listed to protect the proprietary rights of all incorporated recipes in the branded market!!
Now, in order to truly get as close as possible to the flavor of a real analog, one would have to mix a multitude of the developing chemicals into eliquid to establish an authentic e-liquid .. And therefore carry the same risk of carrying over the same amount of TSA's, alkaloids, nitrosamines, all the negative impacts of the chemical compositions of analogs that are proven to cause cancer.
Now, Compare E-liquid for your PV.
1.)Propylene Glycol, USP (Pharmaceutical) also ( known inabbrv. PG)- found in tooth paste, dog and cat food, also in nebulized treatments for bronchitis and asthma treatment in and out of the hospital. PG is used as a carrying agent for the nicotine solution and flavoring added to the juice. A carrying agent has an adequate vaporizing point when combined with the amount of heat delivered from the coil setup of a pv. The nic solution and flavor have a much lower vaporization point and must be combined with a carrying agent so that they can achieve vaporization at an acceptable rate to be consumed and absorbed by the body.
2.)Vegetable Glycerine, USP ( FOOD Grade I, some use Kosher)- also used as a carrier agent just comprised from a different molecular form(elemental)
3.)Nicotine (In solution to be a dilute solute based on volume by mg per ml < no greater than 10% by volume and should not be more than 45 mg/ml for use when mixed...>)
consumption greater than 60 mg as a direct dose is lethal to humans and affected animals.
4.)(optional)Distilled and /or Purified water and even alcohol can be used in percentage.
5.)(optional)Flavoring is also used in percentage to taste.
Even the official test results that the FDA conducted several years ago state that the various traces of nitrosamines, alkaloids, and other negative proponents of the analogs combustion affects of the chemicals on human consumption during inhalation versus the PV prove to be relatively lower with some falling to immeasurable quantities as compared to approved FDA NRT programs like the patch and losenges, or the like.
Hope this helps...
SB
