Companies moving away from high nic levels?

[Oberon75]

The B&M chain in my area is one of the largest in the country and the store by my house is seriously expanding their juice selection. But with each new juice they get in, they are available only in 12mg, 6mg or 0mg. The brands are Suicide Bunny, Space Jam, Psycho Tunes and a few others. They do have Halo which I buy regularly but they say they are closing them out because it's not a big seller.

Is there a reason why these brands won't make juice in 18 and 24mg? I don't like to try juice without sampling it first and it sucks I have to blindly buy on the internet unless I want to settle for the Chinese crap.

 

[man00ver]

They're probably reducing pre-mixed options while expanding flavor selection. My Madvapes store now gets all their Lion Head house-premium line in 0mg, then adds the nic when you order. They'll nic-up any juice in stock also. There's only so much shelf space, I'd imagine.

 

[Oberon75]

They're probably reducing pre-mixed options while expanding flavor selection. My Madvapes store now gets all their Lion Head house-premium line in 0mg, then adds the nic when you order. They'll nic-up any juice in stock also. There's only so much shelf space, I'd imagine.

The only ones they will nic up are Mister eLiquid since they mix them right there. But unfortunately the ones I've had from them so far are pretty flavorless.

And I don't believe the other brands I mentioned even come in 18 or 24mg, premixed.

 

[WillyZee]

18 and 24 don't sell as often as 0-12mg ... unless you are just starting out trying to quit smoking, most people have moved on from 18-24 to 0-12.

 

[BlownFuze]

Yeah, I think it's determined more by the market in the area. I'm about to go live with my business, and decided it would be good to have 2 lines. A higher PG/Nic (6,12,18) line for the clearos/recent smoker users; and a high VG/low Nic (0,3,6) line for drippers/RBA users.

Catering to a wider amount of what people are looking for, is more complicated and expensive ... but, I think it will be worth it in the long run. I see the trends in the vape shops around here - and I'm assuming they are just adjusting their inventory for better profitability. It's understandable, considering the overhead they must deal with.

 

[Oberon75]

18 and 24 don't sell as often as 0-12mg ... unless you are just starting out trying to quit smoking, most people have moved on from 18-24 to 0-12.

But here's the problem with that. How many newcomers are going to give up vaping because these 6mg and 12mg liquids they are selling to them isn't nearly enough?

There are also those of us who are doing just fine on high nic levels and don't see a reason to lower my level. All 12mg is going to do is make me vape, twice as much. The amount of juice some of the users go through here is kind of crazy. I'm perfectly happy being able to vape, 2ml to 3ml a day.

I was also just in the store a while ago, picking up a coil and asked. I was told all their new juices are meant for people using dripping atomizers, chasing giant vape clouds.

 

[Okio]

I started on the 36mg, and was happy until I started messing with the higher watt/ low ohm coils. That juice killed my throat, now day's you just don't need the levels as high as you did back when you were pooping a joytech pyramid tea bag filled cap on your 510 atty. I am ever so grateful items don't leak as much now lol.

 

[edyle]

But here's the problem with that. How many newcomers are going to give up vaping because these 6mg and 12mg liquids they are selling to them isn't nearly enough?

There are also those of us who are doing just fine on high nic levels and don't see a reason to lower my level. All 12mg is going to do is make me vape, twice as much. The amount of juice some of the users go through here is kind of crazy. I'm perfectly happy being able to vape, 2ml to 3ml a day.

I was also just in the store a while ago, picking up a coil and asked. I was told all their new juices are meant for people using dripping atomizers, chasing giant vape clouds.

^^^^^^ Yes; it makes sense to carry the highest strength; people useing the old ce4's and alot of the simple starter kits will need it; plus with the 24mg, the user can always dilute it with some unflavored base or just keep some in a special tank for cravings.

 

[Roccov]

Less NIC equals more profit for juice maker. I vape not to smoke. 0 mg juice is just a waste of money IMO. Your mileage may vary. Enjoy the day!

 

[Racehorse]

6mg is actually the most popular level, with the 30ml bottle being most popular size. You can ask vendors but I'm pretty sure sales would reflect what I just said.

I think the advent of more sophisticated RBA type stuff where people find they actually can use a lower nic level is one o the reasons, ditto higher wattage vaping.

 

[Rickajho]

The B&M chain in my area is one of the largest in the country and the store by my house is seriously expanding their juice selection. But with each new juice they get in, they are available only in 12mg, 6mg or 0mg. The brands are Suicide Bunny, Space Jam, Psycho Tunes and a few others. They do have Halo which I buy regularly but they say they are closing them out because it's not a big seller.

Is there a reason why these brands won't make juice in 18 and 24mg? I don't like to try juice without sampling it first and it sucks I have to blindly buy on the internet unless I want to settle for the Chinese crap.

It's largely due to all the sub ohm madness. When you generate those huge vapor clouds well, four times more vapor means being exposed to four times more whatever is in that vapor. It's not that someone blowing massive clouds is taking in less nic using 6 mg liquids, it's that at that vapor concentration they would OD using anything much higher.

But jumping on the sub ohm bandwagon isn't for everyone, especially new vapers testing the waters with less efficient hardware. So there still is a need for higher nic levels. If the local B&M won't carry it then it's time to head for on-line shopping. Just off the top of my head: The Vapor Room mixes at up to 30 mg, GoodeJuice at up to 32 mg, Mt. Baker I think goes up to 36 mg, Keystone Vapor up to 24 mg etc.

There are a lot of choices out there. And vaping is all about flexibility and individual preference. But if a company is buying into some kind of sub ohm snobbery, insisting "everyone is doing it" and wants to lose the customer base that isn't doing it - that's their loss.

 

[Oberon75]

It's largely due to all the sub ohm madness. When you generate those huge vapor clouds well, four times more vapor means being exposed to four times more whatever is in that vapor. It's not that someone blowing massive clouds is taking in less nic using 6 mg liquids, it's that at that vapor concentration they would OD using anything much higher.

But jumping on the sub ohm bandwagon isn't for everyone, especially new vapers testing the waters with less efficient hardware. So there still is a need for higher nic levels. If the local B&M won't carry it then it's time to head for on-line shopping. Just off the top of my head: The Vapor Room mixes at up to 30 mg, GoodeJuice at up to 32 mg, Mt. Baker I think goes up to 36 mg, Keystone Vapor up to 24 mg etc.

There are a lot of choices out there. And vaping is all about flexibility and individual preference. But if a company is buying into some kind of sub ohm snobbery, insisting "everyone is doing it" and wants to lose the customer base that isn't doing it - that's their loss.

And that's the whole thing. I'm 39 years old and really have no interest in making giant vape clouds. I just want a convenient and tasty way to stay off of analogs with my always on the go lifestyle. And having young children, I really don't want to have bottles of juice potentially lying around. I fill a couple tanks, tighten really good and my juice goes up in the medicine cabinet, out of reach.

What sucks is this store is the biggest in Michigan with over 50 locations. They are like the Wal-Mart of the tobacco and vape world around here. A really good family owned B&M opened just last year and had over 100 flavors available of their own juice called Blue Rocket. But because of Wild Bills Tobacco/Mr Vapor, the building now says "For Lease" as of a couple months ago.

There is another small store down the street and they have ordered a couple of my Halo flavors. But unfortunately most of their stock consists of this really aweful brand called Freedom which is what they market to everybody who goes in there. I bought a $10 battery from that brand one night when I was in a pinch and broke the thing in two days. And ironically, Wild Bills just opened a store in the same plaza to try and take them out even though there's another Wild Bills not even a quarter mile down.

Now I know there are a lot of options on the net but I'm very picky. Of all the juice I've tried, I've liked probably less then 20% of it and trial & error can get quite expensive. What I would love is to be able to walk into a vape store and it's like I'm walking into a craft beer store.

 

[IMFire3605]

I can see not carrying 24 and 30+mg, but 18, seriously. With a bottle of nic base I can bump that 18 up to a 24 without affecting flavor that much, 12 to 18 the same way, but a 12 to 24 or 6 to 18, that double step messes up the flavor until it steeps. The shop I worked at we'd keep 2 maybe 3 bottles of 18 or 24 on a slow moving flavor, but even though we had a lot of sub-ohmers, we had liquids just up their alleys we offered in 0, 3, and 6. Quite frankly I liked dealing with the normal and beginner crowds, the sub-ohmers were always, always in every day or every other day, "Hey did you guys get the 'INSERT NEW LIQUID BRAND HERE', I heard it is killer, or "Hey did you guys get this 'INSERT NEW MOD OR RDA HERE', seen 'INSERT REVIEWER NAME HERE' video on it, says its killer dude gotta have it.

 

[Rickajho]

Oberon have you tried that Store Locator tab on the top of the ECF page? Not sure how well it's working at this point but you may want to give it a shot and see if there is anything you may have missed or overlooked in your area.

 

[lasttango]

and that's the whole thing. I'm 39 years old and really have no interest in making giant vape clouds.

I'm almost 44 and I felt that way too... but... recently, I have really started loving dripping in RDAs... not a cloud chaser, but rbas/rdas are terrific... look into it if you get a chance...

 

[ambientech]

I'm almost 44 and I felt that way too... but... recently, I have really started loving dripping in RDAs... not a cloud chaser, but rbas/rdas are terrific... look into it if you get a chance...

Agree. The vape experience is much nicer not having to take long drags and the flavor comes through stronger and cleaner. Not having to constantly buy hardware leaves more $ for trying more juice.

I started with 24mg but once I moved away from disposable atty's/tanks I had to drop to 12mg. I am about to drop to 6mg shortly.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

I think it's a good thing. 18 and 24 and all those crazy numbers are too much. When we smoked cigs we didn't inhale nearly that much.

 

[man00ver]

I think it's a good thing. 18 and 24 and all those crazy numbers are too much. When we smoked cigs we didn't inhale nearly that much.

You might have some bad information on this. Here's some 2009 testing data with a 16mg-strenth ecig versus a Marlboro Red (check out Figure 2). You get only micrograms of nicotine per puff, and it's MUCH higher with cigarettes. Even with a higher-potency vape juice, there's a lot of difference to make up.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

You might have some bad information on this. Here's some 2009 testing data with a 16mg-strenth ecig versus a Marlboro Red (check out Figure 2). You get only micrograms of nicotine per puff, and it's MUCH higher with cigarettes. Even with a higher-potency vape juice, there's a lot of difference to make up.

There's a big difference in that and an RDA or even a RTA

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

You might have some bad information on this. Here's some 2009 testing data with a 16mg-strenth ecig versus a Marlboro Red (check out Figure 2). You get only micrograms of nicotine per puff, and it's MUCH higher with cigarettes. Even with a higher-potency vape juice, there's a lot of difference to make up.

My information comes from smoking a cigarette and feeling fine and smoking 18mg and feeling like I'm going to die.