Contained batteries vs loose batteries.

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paul0001

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Hello. Being a 6 month vaper only, I have only used PV's with inbuilt batteries and replacable coils (mainly Kanger BDC's). These batteries seem very good to me and are easily rechargable plus coils are only a couple of dollars so I am curious as to why so many people are so keen on loose battery mods and re-buildable coils. Do they produce better vapor/taste, last longer or is it an interest/hobby type of thing ? or none/all of the above.
I am considering purchasing one along with some wire and wick but this is more of an potentially unforeseen (Australian) government law change plan B consideration which raises another question, are the loose rechargable batteries which are normally used similar to normal AA type batteries and can these be used if the situation arose.
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To answer the most important issue posed: You absolutely do not use Alkaline, carbon cell, or any other type of low-drain non-rechargeable lithium battery in an e-cig. Low drain batteries placed under load in an e-cig do a bad thing: they explode. Only use appropriate batteries and when you aren't sure - ask here first about any specific battery you are considering.
 

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Hello. Being a 6 month vaper only, I have only used PV's with inbuilt batteries and replacable coils (mainly Kanger BDC's). These batteries seem very good to me and are easily rechargable plus coils are only a couple of dollars so I am curious as to why so many people are so keen on loose battery mods and re-buildable coils. Do they produce better vapor/taste, last longer or is it an interest/hobby type of thing ? or none/all of the above.
I am considering purchasing one along with some wire and wick but this is more of an potentially unforeseen (Australian) government law change plan B consideration which raises another question, are the loose rechargable batteries which are normally used similar to normal AA type batteries and can these be used if the situation arose.
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I like to be able to change a battery and continue vaping at any time. The ability to chose charge rate is nice too. I also like not having to toss the device when the batteries go bad, which is usually in about 300 full charge cycles.

I use mechanical mods so being able to chose the battery for their specifications is appreciated.

The batteries are the correct type of lithium ion cells, generally in 18650, 18500 and 18350 sizes. Non-rechargeable batteries can be dangerous if you don't understand their safety concerns.

Rebuildable atomizers allow people to tailor their vape to their preferences. On top of that you can buy 100 feet of wire for around $10 and cotton or rayon is so cheap it's almost free. So replacing wire and wick costs me about $4 per year. Seriously. Not a bad deal at all :)
 
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They do produce better taste than premade coils. Once you learn how to make your own coils and wicks, you can make them exactly as you like them. Ultimately a mod with changeable batteries and an atomizer with user made coils becomes more tailored to the users tastes and batteries are easy to change.
 

paul0001

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Thanks for your replies.
Using incorrect batteries = a big no. Check.
I must admit I am still not sold on the loose batteries, mainly because I use an Mvp and spend a reasonable amount of time driving and usually have it plugged in with a long cord. My curiosity is being aroused with the rebuildables though and as previously stated, I would like to have one for a rainy day.
I think I just made a decision.
Thanks again for your replies.
 

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As far as batteries go, I prefer built in. I don't like the idea of dealing with loose batteries and a charger. I find it very convenient to just grab my MVP and go. After 2 years when the battery dies I won't feel bad at all about having to spend another $40 to replace it.
I agree with everyone on rebuildables. They provide both better vapor and flavor and are much cheaper to use.
 

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Hello. Being a 6 month vaper only, I have only used PV's with inbuilt batteries and replacable coils (mainly Kanger BDC's). These batteries seem very good to me and are easily rechargable plus coils are only a couple of dollars so I am curious as to why so many people are so keen on loose battery mods and re-buildable coils. Do they produce better vapor/taste, last longer or is it an interest/hobby type of thing ? or none/all of the above.
I am considering purchasing one along with some wire and wick but this is more of an potentially unforeseen (Australian) government law change plan B consideration which raises another question, are the loose rechargable batteries which are normally used similar to normal AA type batteries and can these be used if the situation arose.
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I moved to an advanced set up in part because the batteries are actually less expensive. If you compare the set ups with built in batteries to "loose" batteries, it's cheaper to buy, say, 18650s (which I use) than the built ins. Like a Twist with 1000 or 1300 (think that's the big one now?) is around 25 to 30 USD. 18650s with as much as twice that capacity are half or a third of that cost. So they last longer on a charge and cost less to replace. The initial price of a higher end kit and charger and all is more than your Twists or such but the long term is much cheaper. A solid mod cam last a long time.

(Don't get me wrong, the kit that got me off cigs totally was Twist batteries with Vision toppers. They're good starters I think. The eGo style kits that is. But the battery cost is a bit steep over the long run.)

And, yeah, mods (or APVs or whatever... the fancy stuff :) ) can produce more power. I use dual coils and run at between 8 to 10 watts depending on the liquid. That's up to near 7 volts on my 1.5 ohm coils. It's more vapor and I like a "warm" vape. Some folks go even higher on wattage but I'm kinda "middle of the road" I guess.

And no, you cannot just slap a "regular" battery in a mod. Some mods have very narrow requirements in fact. Using something just "off the shelf" could be dangerous. If it even worked (not likely, mod batteries aren't shaped like a AA or such, probably wouldn't even fit the device). But it's not hard to learn which batteries fit your mod and not hard to find the right ones. 18650s, for example, are one of the most common lithium batteries around. Used in a ton of things like flashlights and medical devices. I believe even the Tesla electric car uses 18650s (but a lotta them!).

I can't say anything about rebuilding coils. Never done it. Sounds tedious to me and I'm in that "middle age" thing where your close up vision goes wonky. :) I use iClear 30s tanks. Replaceable coils that run me about 3 USD each. And they last a decent length of time for me. Not too pricey a thing.

Yeah, there's a "hobby" side for many (and it's a healthier hobby than smoking!). But there are distinct advantages to advanced systems. More vapor, more control over the temperature, less expensive battery cost, and a heavy vaper like I am, being able to swap a battery in a few seconds is nice. Done it enough now, it's zip, click, go. :)
 

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That's kind of like asking, hey, I just got me this beachin trike, wheels go round and round, gets me there from here, lmao, and just curious, what up with the 2 wheel units, one can fall over and go boom, ouch me, hurt me, and then they have ones with motors that can do 200 mph!!!! Why would anyone want to go that fast.??? :D:lol:


It's one of the mysteries and surprises of mankind. Answer that question, and likely one has already found the meaning of life:confused: or something like that.:D




Vape long and Prosper.!!!!
 

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    Think about battery chemistry, and what happens should the battery vent.
    Both Lithium Cobalt (ICR), and Lithium Polymer (LIPO) catch fire/explode if made to vent. These are your only two choices with that (built in batter) type of PV.

    With replaceable battery PVs you have the ability to choose the chemistry you want to use, and Lithium Manganese (IMR) batteries are far safer.

    I would assume that there is no shortage of flashlights in Australia, and the high end flashlight folks use the same Li-Ion batteries that we do. So you should have no problem finding good batteries there. There are several flashlight forums on the internet, and they're a good place to learn about battery safety, and availability. My torch came with Sony VTC-3 1600mAh 30a batteries. (now do some homework to find out what all that means)
     
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