RDA Cool vapor from RTA possible?

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CJ Garcia

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hi guys ive been doing some homework in here, asking questions, sharing my experiences, reading, finding things about me i didnt even know like the fact i thought i was allergic to PG but in fact i cant just stand warm vapor, now my thing is i want to make big clouds, and buy a rda to start building my coils, but since i cant stand the warm vapor i am skeptical until i find out if you can vape on a rda while having cool vapor.

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The above reference to air flow, if sufficient, can offset, to a degree, a high coil temperature, however... disregarding air flow, due to the lack of a measurable, comparable value...

Vapor density and vapor temperature can be - I say can be - selected semi-independently of one another... but you run into issues with time. Read on.

Vapor density comes from two sources (three if you count air flow... but again, measurement is currently somewhat subjective)... coil net surface area, and enough current to adequately heat that surface area.
Although most want an excess of both, you can go for a high value with the former, while maintaining a modest latter value.
If you chain vape however... heat does build up in an RDA, even though the heat flux value (coil radiant heat representative value) is relatively low.

Using Steam Engine for our large surface area/cool temperature build example ... With a 0.25Ω, dual parallel build from 22 gauge wire will have a substantial surface area of 222.99 mm², if you apply only 55 watts to it, the heat flux value is a cool 121 mW/mm².
The down side to this is the heat capacity (time-to-temperature value - low numbers are faster than high)... which is a slow 119.35 mJ/K. Increasing heat flux by applying more wattage will speed up heat capacity... but will obviously increase the peak temperature as well.
 
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The above reference to air flow, if sufficient, can offset, to a degree, a high coil temperature, however... disregarding air flow, due to the lack of a measurable, comparable value...

Vapor density and vapor temperature can be - I say can be - selected semi-independently of one another... but you run into issues with time. Read on.

Vapor density comes from two sources (three if you count air flow... but again, measurement is currently somewhat subjective)... coil net surface area, and enough current to adequately heat that surface area.
Although most want an excess of both, you can go for a high value with the former, while maintaining a modest latter value.
If you chain vape however... heat does build up in an RDA, even though the heat flux value (coil radiant heat representative value) is relatively low.

Using Steam Engine for our large surface area/cool temperature build example ... With a 0.25Ω, dual parallel build from 22 gauge wire will have a substantial surface area of 222.99 mm², if you apply only 55 watts to it, the heat flux value is a cool 121 mW/mm².
The down side to this is the heat capacity (time-to-temperature value - low numbers are faster than high)... which is a slow 119.35 mJ/K. Increasing heat flux by applying more wattage will speed up heat capacity... but will obviously increase the peak temperature as well.

pardon my ignorance... so in childproof english (mind im spanish) that means yes or no?? :-/
 

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pardon my ignorance... so in childproof english (mind im spanish) that means yes or no?? :-/
That would be a yes, but (there's always a "but", isn't there?)... you would need to either -

  • A. Buy a high wattage VW mod where you simply turn up or down the wattage needed to support a large surface area atomizer build. Understanding Steam Engine is still a good idea, as its use provides surface area values.
  • B. With an unregulated mod (mech or semi-mech) learn more about Steam Engine and the Ohm's law math necessary to obtain resistance/surface area/wattage parity.
  • C. There is no 'C'.
'A' is quick and easy... and appears to be the direction many new vapists tend to go, because there's little to no physics or math knowledge required. ;)
 
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pardon my ignorance... so in childproof english (mind im spanish) that means yes or no?? :-/
you can get cool dense vapor but you will have to play with wire and coil diameter and resistance to get what you are looking for. I do not like a hot vapor so I use a single 1.4 ohm coil (8 turns of 28 gauge kenthal on a 2.5 mm diameter rod. rayon wick) in my RDA but this satisfies my taste requirements and gives me a cool vape.you will just have to play with different coils until you fine tune your coils to your taste
 

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Of course you can - build high ohm coils, add lots of airflow, done.

This ^^^^ is your best bet. KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid). No offense meant, it's just an expression. In plain and simple terms, the above suggestion works.

Your other option would be a temperature control device. Throw out all of the Steam Engine stats and numbers and heat flux, etc. With a temp control mod you build a single nickle wire coil, mount it in an atomizer with decent airflow, set your temperature and wattage and vape. The vapor will never get hotter than the temperature setting you choose. If it rises too high the mod will dial down the wattage or actually stop supplying current to the coil. Never too hot, never a dry hit.

I have two DNA40 mods (Hana and Vapor Shark) and they work as advertised. You can now get Chinese-made mods with temp control cheaper (75 bucks for an IPV4) but I have not tried any of them.
 
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I call false to lots of heat. I vape daily at 150 watts, get huge clouds and my vape is only warm. By Steam Engine, it's has a cool heat flux, little over 200. Heat is only a factor and doesn't need to be the main thing.

+1 to Max VG juice and VV/VW mod. And I agree that Steam Engine is a must have tool, get familiarized with it and it'll make experimenting with your builds much easier and safer.
 

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I call false to lots of heat. I vape daily at 150 watts, get huge clouds and my vape is only warm. By Steam Engine, it's has a cool heat flux, little over 200. Heat is only a factor and doesn't need to be the main thing.

+1 to Max VG juice and VV/VW mod. And I agree that Steam Engine is a must have tool, get familiarized with it and it'll make experimenting with your builds much easier and safer.
Is there any (ego/pen/ or however is called) styled mod that has temperature control? I don't want another box mod [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]


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I don't really know about temp control mods, but from what I have seen, I haven't noticed any pen/tube stile temp control mods. This doesn't mean at all they don't exist, I'm just not looking at temp control mods at the moment so I haven't seen all that's out there.

Did a quick google search and couldn't find anything that wasn't box shaped. Hopefully more knowledgeable vapers will pop in and point you in the right direction.
 
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