I know there are a few threads with this topic, but all of them are a few months old. It seems now that more and more copper centerposts are being released as stock with RDAs but with an additional SS post in the extra bits. I bought a doge from congrevape recently (love it), which came pre-assembled with copper. However being a bit uneasy about it, I switched it out to the SS immediately. Does anyone have semi-concrete proof and or research to prove that it's unsafe to vape with direct copper on juice contact?
Copper centerposts safe?
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:-0 About to just try it out and see if the cooper makes a real difference in the vape. Any info is appreciated! Even if it's just rumors I'll be glad to hear something, as it seems no one is talking about it.
What exactly are you worried about? Brass (as a post) is what I would avoid since some alloys contain lead.
The copper center post should make a little difference since it's much more conductive, so more power should reach the coil.
The copper center post should make a little difference since it's much more conductive, so more power should reach the coil.
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Copper will oxidise and you are bound to get some metal particle when vaping IMO (really don't know just guessing) but SS will do the same. So the question is which will release more metal and which is more dangerous? I honestly don't think that either will be of any great risk, before I made my all copper atty I tested liquid on it to see if it made any difference and it didn't seem to, I don't vape too much on my homemade atty but I don't taste anything funny and think it's safe, just not 100% hence I don't use it too much.If you listen to imeothanasis you would think that using Kanthal or NiChrome was going to kill us, but from tests the amount of metal from these is so minimal that we can ignore the effects so can't see the posts which will be a lot cooler being a problem.
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Copper is also Good for the body
Your source for concern - FDA................yea, Okay
Please set the e-cig down and step back
The concern should be - How much of the post is exposed more so than it is copper. How much of that exposed copper will be subjscted to highly caustic chemicals?
Did you know Stainless Steel can put off Caustic Gasses?
It is all in application!
How long do you intend to cook your atomizer?
450 Degrees for 3.5-5 hrs. like a Turkey?
Now, Copper is a Great energy conductor.
It gets power to the Coil with minimal resistance and therefor minimal Heat up.
The coil Heats and can cool faster to more efficiently vaporize the liquid.
We are talking RDA's - drip drip drip - Not RBA's right?
What do ducks have to do with Rocks? Or are you planning a new line of e-liquids?
I don't think so. But what we do know is that the metals used for vaping DO NOT give off much of their own material unless heated near or to their melting point. That leaves oxidation, and the amounts here are so small as to be a non issue as far as I'm concerned.
Which brings us to lead in brass. Assuming the brass has lead to start with and not all of it does, it's only the teeny, tiny amounts exposed at the surface that will leech, and once that's gone, it's gone. The amounts below the surface will not leech to the surface. So again, the amounts are so ridiculously small that it's a non issue in my opinion.
In the end, every one has to make up their own mind, but as for me, I'm happily vaping on my veritas with a brass center post as I type this.
For me it's about weighing pros and cons. What is the best possible scenario? What is the worst possible scenario? No amount of (possible?) lead is worth ... well... what gain? We'll get back to that latter part once clouds are measured in volume, density and weight and not in freight trains.
I'm not saying there is lead or other nasties in it. I don't know. Just saying I'd rather wait for any evidence of its safety than find comfort in there not being any science saying it's unsafe.
I'm not saying there is lead or other nasties in it. I don't know. Just saying I'd rather wait for any evidence of its safety than find comfort in there not being any science saying it's unsafe.
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I also follow the logic that WattWick describes. I avoid brass, copper and plastics and stick with stainless and glass. I'd rather minimize risk while navigating uncertainty and I dont think I'm missing out on much. Everyone has their own rationalizations and comfort level and those are mine.
You're might be misreading me. I don't take comfort in there not being any science saying it's unsafe. I take comfort in known science telling us that the trace amounts are small. You're probably already getting larger amounts in the foods you eat already, and that could be a good thing. Take a look at iodine, zinc, and magnesium, and many other examples.
As I said, we all have to make up our own mind, and I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything, but as for me, I'm far more worried about the lead in my fish than I am in the lead in my vape.
You're might be misreading me. I don't take comfort in there not being any science saying it's unsafe. I take comfort in known science telling us that the trace amounts are small. You're probably already getting larger amounts in the foods you eat already, and that could be a good thing. Take a look at iodine, zinc, and magnesium, and many other examples.
As I said, we all have to make up our own mind, and I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything, but as for me, I'm far more worried about the lead in my fish than I am in the lead in my vape.
Probably some misinterpretation involved. And good point on the fish.
I just dont see the advantage of using brass or copper other than marketing ("less voltage drop!") since the difference in the vape is minimal or barely noticeable. and who knows the quality of the materials in clones or low-end devices.
as for the fish example, are you sucking on a fish all day and night? that's the difference. they say you shouldnt eat tuna more than 2-3x a month. a vaping device might have less lead/mercury than fish and the route of ingestion is less direct, but the amount of time of contact is higher and more regular (not to mention the few hundred degrees of heat). also, is the inhalation of these metals the same as digesting?
no one really knows anything until testing has been done.
as for the fish example, are you sucking on a fish all day and night? that's the difference. they say you shouldnt eat tuna more than 2-3x a month. a vaping device might have less lead/mercury than fish and the route of ingestion is less direct, but the amount of time of contact is higher and more regular (not to mention the few hundred degrees of heat). also, is the inhalation of these metals the same as digesting?
no one really knows anything until testing has been done.
Copper is also Good for the body
Not when mom makes a fruit salad in a copper bowl, which starts turning blue/green and you get copper sulfate poisoning. I must've been 6 or 7, boy was that fun having to drink ipecac and spending all night hugging the toilet!!
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I have purchased a copper center post for my I go w, it helped with volt drop (especially after switching from a ss mech mod to a brass, then on to copper, and even more so with my hybrid adapter) the production and heating times become worth it for competition use, but I feel your pain, I actually stopped using my copper plume veil cus I had my coils too close to the inside of the barrel as to avoid melting another insulater. My I go w is only used for showing off so I don't let myself daily vape it. I haven't researched it, so this is all kinds moot, unless you decide you don't care like I don't, I mean we still inhaling formaldehyde.
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