Could by battery really be the issue?

[GoodNews!]

Phoenix Rebuildable Atomizer Part 1 from cloudsofvapor.com - YouTube

I was watching this video, and quite a few times, the guy says that his Pheonix refuses to taste good on anything but a 3.0V battery, and that even his Gripper gives a full flavored hit where anything different gives a dry hit. This guy's reviewing Avid Vapor's pre-coiled wicks for the Pheonix, and they can't be any worse than the pre-built devices I use, which always give me burnt and dry hits even at 3.3V's, the lowest my battery goes. Before I jump into rba's, I really want to know if anyone's really encountered a situation where 3.0V's have made a big difference from 3.3V's, especially on a "true-voltage" (little confused by what he means by this, except that removable batteries may be more electrically consistent...) battery.

 

[crxess]

You still do not understand that is going on Mechanically to provide your Vape.
You may even be using the incorrect terminology to describe your experiences.

Whether 3.3v or a 5v+ setup, everything has to work in harmony.
Often people will speak of dry hits but mean Burnt taste is coming through - not the same.
Some say they have to turn power down because the e-liquid is burning, while running a 2.8ohm coil at minimal power. This is incorrect thinking.

People can explain all day long. This does not insure you are understanding what is being said or that you can duplicate a given solution with accuracy.

A battery cannot just be 3.7v - it must be able to deliver a sustained, balanced output throughout the draw.
A Wick cannot just absorb e-liquid - It must be able to wick sufficiently to continuously wet the coil without over cooling or flooding.
A coil has to do much more than just get hot - It needs to reach operating temperature almost instantly and distribute heat evenly across all coils.
Air cannot just flow through the chamber. It needs to follow a correct path to draw cool air across the coil and become fully saturated with the Vaporized liquid. There must be enough air to prevent super heating and Harshness from DRY AIR.

Talking about it will never fix the issue.
Go, learn, apply and Satisfy

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Have you tested the output of your battery with a multimeter?
Or are you relying on the twist knob to actually work.
Could be your battery is set at a higher V and the twisty knob isn't functioning.

 

[devauto]

I suppose this could have some truth to it for the guy in the video. Mech mods push pure power to the coil, directly from the battery, and it could be true that his juice/coil/battery combination are being over powered by anything more than 3.0v. Vaping is all about personal flavors and tastes, so the real answer is that his experience may be different than yours.

As always, YMMV!

HTH

 

[Thrasher]

jeesh that is an older video lol

when watching you tube make sure to always check the comments. this coil/video was out before protanks existed lol

UPDATE: After some more breaking in and use of the new coil the phoenix is wicking very nicely now, and providing an amazing hit, even on my smok telescope with kick set at around 8 watts

the phoenix is one of the best little attys ever. i run mine about 20 watts lol.


true voltage means a mechanical device where the voltage from the battery is what you get at the connector, there is no VV or step up voltage.

I really want to know if anyone's really encountered a situation where 3.0V's have made a big difference from 3.3V's, especially on a "true-voltage" (little confused by what he means by this, except that removable batteries may be more electrically consistent...) battery.

at 3 volts the battery is considered dead, things have changed quit a bit since this guys video.

 

[GoodNews!]

I'm just asking because I've had 3.3V's and 3.7V's be two completely different worlds, especially on the Aspire of all models. Anything above 3.7V's caused the Aspire to taste absolutely rancid, instead of only halfway dry. So I'd have assumed that, with that being my experience, that a 3.0V battery could make a difference - the Provari still goes down to 2.9V's, doesn't it?

And with my terminology, it gets confusing, because I predominantly experience a "dry" hit, which is something I'd describe as an acrid harshness with a rancid, acidic taste that reminds me a little of a cigarette when the burn gets too close to the filter. I'd describe a "burnt" taste as what I get when I have tried virtually any chocolate or coffee juice on any model whatsoever. Sometimes, if the hit is so dry that it's virtually like inhaling the fumes from burning a wick without juice, I sort of interchange them. If anyone's ever tasted a no-juice wick, it is rancid, I've accidentally done it before out of reflex when testing a dry device to gauge the airflow, accidentally firing it.

As well, at least with my experience, I know that with the pre-built devices I've used, that I see so many air-flow, juice-pulling, and temperature-effecting defects that I am continuously surprised these things don't catch on fire, but hey, for these past two months, I've been trying to make due with that, and have been simply wondering if some extremely low voltage deal may at least give the pre-built stuff more safety room. I did try a 3.5 ohm coil and that didn't really change anything.

I mean, obviously, like a CE5 build wouldn't seem to direct the air flow with pinpoint precision - it's going to just come up the center of the head. So if the coils to tend to get hot in these, a lower power seemingly would be needed. I also believe CE5's have way to small juice slots, so again, less power probably needed to avoid drying the wick too quickly. At 3.3V's, a lot of devices I've tried still produce a ton of vapor at 3.3V's, so performance wise, something a few points lower probably wouldn't just cease to produce vapor.

For me, it really is a taste thing - I can taste dry wicks like it's something unreal, dry air doesn't taste like that lol.

P.S. Yes I've had my battery checked, several times.

Also, one thing I want to ask, is do voltage and resistance and guage equally effect the temperature of the coil, or is it something like that voltage/guage effects more of the temperature and resistance effects how fast it simply heats up to that temperature point?

Even for instance right now, on the specific head I'm using, if I turn it up to 3.7, it tastes like a cigarette filter, if I turn it down to 3.3, it's generally ok. For this specific coil, it makes me wonder what 3.0 would do, if only a 0.3 variance is making this big of a difference.

 

[Thrasher]

personally man............ I think your trying way to hard to get a perfect vape from a very imperfect device. and It just seems like you are trying very hard to deny that these devices just suck but want very desperately for them to be the ultimate vape. the truth is your never going to get any sort of consistency from a 2 dollar a day work force slapping together cheap little devices made to be disposable.

ask anyone who has moved on if they will go back to clearo's and you will find almost no one wants anything to do with them once they have tried something better.

they are a great starting device to prove vaping works, beyond that they are trash and I think you would probably be better of with a carto tank if you dont want to rebuild. they offer way more consistency while still offering the convenience of using disposable supplies.

If they worked like they are supposed to there wouldnt be 500 threads about modifying protank heads.

 

[happydave]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/498945-my-build-ego-octopus-mini.html
here check this out.
super cheap RDA setup that produces decent vapor.

 

[crxess]

You seem stuck on CE5's. I have a few alying around and even break one out now and then. They can and often are a pain to get a good vape off of. Especially if you are sensitive to taste.
Do a little investigating inside your Ce5's

Pull the Tubes
Remove the wick Caps
Place a unit on a drained or low setting Battery and short burst.

You are looking for a few things:
Coil should heat from center out
Glow should quickly become even
Coils should be equally spaced(roughly) with none touching
Coil should be centered over the air channel

Adjust as need with a toothpick(never fire while adjusting!)
Do this for ALL Ce5's!

Next, get it wicking:
Place 1 wick cap back on.
Watch while pushing into place - Notice it may pinch the wicks - This cuts off Wicking. When the tip is installed, it does the same thing.(pinches)
Now as a test take 1 cap and snip 2 V cuts at 180 degrees in the wick cap. The V should straddle the wicks.
Reassemble fill, tilt to get it wicking and test.

The caps purpose is to seal the top of the air tube to the drip tip, but it does cause issues in many ce5's. Note: without it you get a mouth full of juice.

Most ce5 come with 2.5-2.8ohm coils, unless you have ordered special or replaced with lower. These coils need 3.7v just to properly heat the coil.
Lowering power will Never fix the issue as it will extend heating time to failure point.

Boosting Power does not translate to a hot Vape! it allows the coil to reach operating temperature.
Proper Wicking will cool the coil, and vapor
Weak wicking causes hot harsh flavor and weak vapor.
Over wicking causes low Vapor, loss of flavor and eventual flooding.

 

[GoodNews!]

See, I've done all that with my CE5's with the exception of firing it to see how the coil turns red. The Smokin' Crow CE5 is designed in a way that's both pretty revolutional for a CE5, yet hard to manipulate. Right above the wick, the people who made the Smokin' Crow decided to put a "cap guard", which is a little metal notch that prevents the cap from pinching the wick, which imo is a pretty neat feature and it's why I actually bought it. However, I think I will try to cut little grooves above the wick to see if it helps any at all - I can't trim the cap all the way because it has an open top and requires the cap to be extremely snug against the drip tip.

And to be honest, these MV heads always look wound well. Very centered. All of them are very evenly spaced. The only real defect I can see with these particular ones are that the coils always seem to touch the white heat guard material, and no amount of poking at it really seems to help separate the two. Now with how centered it is, with these heads, the wrap seems to really spand across the wick from one side to the other - should the coils be generally wrapped pretty closely right in the center, or is it ok if it sort of spans the wick as long is the wrap is evenly spaced?

I mean, it's a mystery, but I just tested one head at 3.3V's, it's a 2.4-ish head, and the taste is OK. Not brilliant, not exactly clean, but it's OK. I turned my battery up to 3.7V's, which the volts of a non-variable Ego battery, and instantly, a very wicky taste, like a heated cigarette filter but slightly cleaner. I then try the same head out on my actual non-variable Ego, and the same exact taste on its 3.7V's. At 3.7V's, it's a different taste entirely, and it would seem to point out that 3.7V's is too "hot" for this particular head and however it's made. The mystery is, I've gotten this same exact result in every single device I've used - Aspire, iClear, Protank, Smokin' Crow, Ce4's, Ce5's, the Aro, the same exact result, every time.

I mean, sure, the honest truth is that I'm trying desperately to get the devices I do already have in my stock and don't have to pay attentional money for to work. I'd give anything. The biggest mystery to me really is the fact that almost every single Ce4 or Ce5, silica wicked at that, clearomizer that I have tried on a store's sample has tasted great. None of that wicky taste. It seems like any shop I walk into, that 20 of their Ce5 models taste fantastic right in a row for the juice bar. I don't know how in the world they taste so good in the shop. If I got that result with Ce5 models, I'd use them!

And I mainly speak of Ce5's only because, in all reality, they're built just as good as anything else in the pre-built field, I've had the same problems with them as anything slightly higher up. But I like Ce5 because, really, they're easy to manipulate, and I have good visuals of the head while vaping. I'd have loved to dig into the Aspire head and see what was going on without ruining it, but I wasn't going to test my luck.

Right now, the Smokin' Crow Ce5 and the Aspire are the two devices that, across my board, are the two that really give any resemblance to something that could be vaped by someone with a very insensitive tongue, or possibly a very, very, very strong juice. Every other device, the Protank, the Aro, the iClear, has tasted so dry and rancid that it literally caused me to cough and have to run to the bathroom, almost puking. I'd give anything if the Aspire and Crow wouldn't taste as dry as they yet do, as the Smokin' Crow has hemp, which I like more than silica so far, and the Aspire produced an absolute unreal amount of vapor, which I liked. I'd give anything for them to taste clean!!!

But some additional updates in deciding what I want in a RBA, I realized that they now make them with "finger screws" instead of screws that you have to screw down with a screw driver - that is such a brilliant idea! Grim Green recently showcase one off that was only $20 and looked so easy to rebuild, but it was only a dual coil and the shop didn't sell it yet. I'm really looking around for that feature as we speak, as that was actually one of the biggest factors that held me back from trying an RBA atomizer, believe it or not. I did want screws because of the open work view and having a much bigger set of details to work with (rebuilding Protank heads is not my thing, they're too tiny and my slight tremor makes me always drop them, then they roll, getting them dusty and mess), but finger screws just sort of revamped my want for one.

 

[Orb Skewer]

When are your You-tube reviews going up GoodNews ?

 

[Asbestos4004]

Why do you continue to try something that constantly has you running to the bathroom on the verge of puking? I tried Copenhagen chewing tobacco twice. Puked both times. I never tried it again. I will never try it again. Did I accuse the company of producing junk? No. Did I try to ruin the companies reputation? No. Did I decide to call myself a reviewer and say I've been dipping tobacco for years, therefore an expert? After all, I tried it 2 times about 7 years apart so by your reasoning, I've been dipping for 7 years, right? No, I didn't do that either. Did I accuse everyone who likes Copenhagen of being an employee or a sales rep for major tobacco companies? Nope. I just walked away from Copenhagen. I guess I should've tried to get free stuff from people and false credibility by calling myself a reviewer. This is getting old.

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, if you tried over 40 different chews, and tried chewing them each 5 times, I would say that you had the experience to start being a reviewer. I've tried about 10 different pre-built vaping models, trying at least 5 heads on all of them, cleaning those heads multiple times each, and also manipulated each head and device to the best of my ability, also trying each head with different juices - all tests done with scientific controls, comparisons, and recorded voltages and the like.

Sure, like you, it could be a possibility that I simply have too sensitive of a tongue for silica wicks or for the way pre-built devices are made. Maybe I do have some sort of tongue that is different from the casual user. Is that my fault? No. If anything, it's proof to me that, while many may not taste what I'm tasting, that, as unhealthy as these devices taste, that who knows, vaping may not be as healthy as everyone says. From your description, it doesn't sound as though chewing tobacco tasted healthy to you, but would you go around and say that it's a completely healthy alternative to smoking that most people should like? That's the advertisement that most vapers give newbies.

And all trustworthy vendors out there will say that products can be made faulty, I can go ahead and call up some buddies and ask if I can use their direct quotes with their name and vendor name in some posts if you'd like. Only a vendor employee that was not trustworthy and had money to gain would say they've never run across faulty gear or recalls. Innokin themselves recalled leaky iClear 30's not long ago, I happened to get one. There's other companies out there who've made recalls on batteries. I could go on.

I don't have to be an expert on RBA's to be a reviewer, as my motto is that RBA's are not vaping devices and are merely additionally manufactured by users to produce vapor. You can't throw juice in an unbuilt RBA and expect it to vape. I make reviews for casual beginners and people who don't want to rebuild. Yet I've experienced faulty product over and over, ones that primarily don't wick well because of design flaws, and with this, I simply have a lot of negative feelings toward the vaping industry and vendors who refuse refunds or exchanges. If you in particular run a vendor service and don't like negative feedback on products, I would suggest updating your stock or allowing refunds or returns - I rarely see anyone complain as long as they get a working product or their money back in the end.

And I actually have a couple different websites that should go up this week, including the Youtube vids. My new computer should be here soon and that's what I'll use as my editing powerhorse - a $99 tablet-ish thing from a pawn shop won't even edit something as low-res as a 360P video without crashing.

Anyway, I feel as though I'm an extremely respectful person who does some of the most scientific tests in the vaping world right now, apart from rebuilding. I don't go around attacking people's opinion on this forum. Haven't done it once. You can say I'm unexperienced all you want to, but that doesn't change the fact that I actually am - I haven't been vaping since the dawn of time, but I've been vaping quite awhile, and to be quite frank, I'm more intelligent at this hobby that half the members on this forum who run around not knowing which end of a cleaomizer screws into a battery. I haven't learned one relevant thing about pre-built devices since even being on here. No one's given me some magic tip or trick. The technology of vaping is quite simple, and if there's any problems, it usually boils down to manufacturing flaws that a user can really only guess at and try what they can to fix.

I hate to sound all stuck up about that, but it's getting to a point where I have to state it. Most people get into qualms with me or my reviews because they aren't even intelligent enough to read the information I have written, and end up accusing me of being a newbie despite not even reading the testing information I have written. Vaping is not a complex hobby. It's all very common sense stuff. There's no school for vaping. There's no degree. It's less complex than planting a flower. If I go to the store and buy some seeds, if I plant the seed, fertilize it, water it, place it appropriate sunlight for the tag instructions, and get a few tips and tricks from neighbors and gardeners, then either it should grow, or I must have had some bad weather or a bad pack of seeds. I don't have to win a Gardener Of The Year award to know that seeds shouldn't be that hard to grow and that I probably didn't make a mistake, and that my expectations of seeing a plant grow were realistic. I'm not some seed-company supporter who will fanatically blame myself every time - I always give vaping device the benefit of the doubt, and if it doesn't work after a couple heads and a couple different juices by name brands, it really is just junk.

I still have all of my vaping gear, and as time goes by, and I get more materials and precise equipment, I'll obviously try things like rebuilding Protank heads, doing some trims on CE5's, working out if there's still yet more juices out there that wick better than the ones I have, possibly saving up for a battery that may have more of a reputation, all that good stuff, but again, I've been open from the beginning that I do reviews for people who would walk into a vendor, not have a clue what's going on, and simply expect their device to taste like Dragon Fruit and not Cigarette Filter.

I'll never forget the the experience I had with my iClear 30 after letting it sit overnight and absorb juice - the first hit tasted clean as pie, and the second hit was pure burning silica. It was so severely strong that I did cough over my toilet and puke up a little mucus and mess. If anyone were to have randomly bought an iClear 30 from a vendor and experienced that, and didn't know what to expect, they A. Wouldn't get a refund or exchange. and B. Probably would never vape again. Just like chew if it is that nasty.

But I know I enjoy vaping and I've simply had good results before, namely with juice bare CE5's and CE4's. Don't ask me why they always taste good, other than the possibility of those being the real devices and the shops turning around and selling clones as a trick, I just don't know. It's certainly nothing I'm doing, there's not much you can do wrong with these simple models.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The mystery is, I've gotten this same exact result in every single device I've used - Aspire, iClear, Protank, Smokin' Crow, Ce4's, Ce5's, the Aro, the same exact result, every time.

The biggest mystery to me really is the fact that almost every single Ce4 or Ce5, silica wicked at that, clearomizer that I have tried on a store's sample has tasted great. None of that wicky taste. It seems like any shop I walk into, that 20 of their Ce5 models taste fantastic right in a row for the juice bar. I don't know how in the world they taste so good in the shop. If I got that result with Ce5 models, I'd use them!



Right now, the Smokin' Crow Ce5 and the Aspire are the two devices that, across my board, are the two that really give any resemblance to something that could be vaped by someone with a very insensitive tongue, or possibly a very, very, very strong juice. Every other device, the Protank, the Aro, the iClear, has tasted so dry and rancid that it literally caused me to cough and have to run to the bathroom, almost puking. I'd give anything if the Aspire and Crow wouldn't taste as dry as they yet do, as the Smokin' Crow has hemp, which I like more than silica so far, and the Aspire produced an absolute unreal amount of vapor, which I liked. I'd give anything for them to taste clean!!!

No mystery to me, the delivery devices you've tried to make work reads like a who's who of worst delivery devices available in my opinion.
No mystery to me why a vape shops same junk delivery devices taste good, they sit around all day & night doing nothing but saturating the wick/coil. They aren't taken apart, fiddled with, rebuilt/rewicked, when they stop working or give an off taste more often than not they're tossed in the trash and a new one is filled.
They aren't vaped all day long like a device you use at home.
Customer takes 2 - 10 vapes from one puts back on the shelf sometimes sitting there for from a few minutes to hours or the rest of the day.
Even in a busy shop I doubt they're used more than a few minutes per day each.

To me it sounds like you are trying too hard to get bottom of the barrel devices to work. You state that your batteries have been 'tested' many times. Well, that rules out the battery but leaves everything else wide open.

If every device you've tried has very similar problems it is either the juice / flavor(ings) / pg/vg ratio or inhalation technique.
Dry taste = insufficient wicking or hard, fast or too long / frequent drags.
Rancid taste = burning built up gunk on coil/head or poor quality juice to begin with.
Dark, thick, sweet juices have a large amount of suspended flavorings particles in them that adhere to the coil = nasty taste.
Poor quality juice can gunk up a coil in just a few vapes.

I get everything you're looking for and more out of a simple carto tank.

 

[Orb Skewer]

And I actually have a couple different websites that should go up this week, including the Youtube vids. My new computer should be here soon and that's what I'll use as my editing powerhorse - a $99 tablet-ish thing from a pawn shop won't even edit something as low-res as a 360P video without crashing.

Well thats good news good news

 

[Thrasher]

I just have a hard time accepting you have been vaping for 4 years and still playing with clearos.

I simply have a lot of negative feelings toward the vaping industry and vendors who refuse refunds or exchanges.

You shouldnt they dont offer exchange for the simple reason they know it is crap and are just glad people seem to still buy them, even after exposure to a community like this has shown them they are junk.
your paying retail, but you do realize CE5's in bulk are like 60 - 80 cents a piece wholesale right? what kind of quality are you really expecting, even on the retail level direct from china there only around a dollar.

there is no mystery here, in vaping it is well beyond known you get exactly what you pay for - a 2 dollar disposable device is exactly what it is presented to be - cheap..................


I own a trek bike, 800+ it cost me, someone else goes to walmart and gets the 80 dollar lookalike then gets upset because the cheaply made POS falls apart. they have no right to get mad, they bought a piece of junk and expected miracles. same thing your doing right now.


You keep buying junk, and you keep getting the expected results for doing so and you dont want to admit it is not worth the money in the first place.

there is a reason 5 dollar teflon coated pans peel and flake and expensive ones do not.

 

[GoodNews!]

I'm still playing with CE5's and junk because I have a physical tremor that has handicapped my vaping journey by quite a bit. For the first couple years, I played around with kits and cartomizers and junk like that, trying to get something to work. The next two years after that have been playing around with clearomizers and tanks and junk like that. It's been a very slow process, but it's been going on that long, just very sped up in the last 4 months or so with the gain of a bit of money. I'm also not super rich. I've probably spent at least $800 on vaping in this slow journey in it's entirety over 4 years - if that doesn't buy me some experience then I don't know what does lol.

And really, my goal has been to find something that tasted as good as the juice bar clearomizers, which always do tend to taste great, and I held that to the standard I should be getting. I abuse any juice bar clearomizers I get my hands on trying to get them not to work and they all work great for as long as I can test them. It could be that they sit and soak all day long, and if that really is the explaination to explain the mystery, then hey - I was completely chasing a dead horse and I was foolish. But I feel like I have a right to say that these products are junk in comparison to the way the juice bar clearomizers perform to the expecting customer who first tests with them. From the way all of the reviewers on Youtube make these devices sound, I'd have though they were experiencing what I did on juice bar clearomizers, and if they really aren't, it's again, just a good old case of them getting products for free, as I told people I don't in my very first review I do not do.

But I just don't know. I have a gut feeling that all of these devices should be working better and that's why I keep posting things simply talking to people on here about what might be wrong and possible tips or tricks I can try. I don't know why it annoys people and I don't remember starting a fight with anyone on here and until now, I felt as though this thread was a very polite discussion. It's simply the experiences I've faced.

Like right now, I'm testing one of the old Aspire heads. Initially, I filled it up, and the juice I was using was too thin, causing some leaking and gurgling and almost no vapor, so I put in just a little VG, fixed that problem entirely, but then it gave ton of vapor yet quite a bit of a dry, wicky taste, almost none of the true juice flavor. I can't get the wicky taste to go away even with my air-flow controller (which, this particular air-flow controller is indeed crap, I will say that), with trying to thin out the juice some more, everything. It's producing a ton of vapor as always, just a very wicky, cigarette filter taste. There's no way it could be my fault. There's something wrong with this head. I'm using name brand juice. Dunno what gives.

I mean, the Aspire and the iClear should have worked generally OK shouldn't they? Say if people vape out of these devices, and use a blueberry juice, does the vapor taste like blueberry, or more of a wicky vapor that simply has a trace of blueberry at most? My downfall concerning experience is that I simply don't have a lot of vaping buddies in the area who can come over and we can compare tastes and devices. That's the one thing I could receive critisism on and be ok. That's a problem with my reviewing and it effects my experience.

 

[Thrasher]

your getting flack for various reasons, i wont make a list but accusing people of being shady vendors and whatnot isnt going to help you gain any friendly responses.

i would think anyone who has been disappointed for so long with so many products from the same class would move on. and this is what we dont understand.

there is also the fact many people dont like the wick and wire used in many cheap devices flavor wise. this is why people move to tcotton wicks.

have you actually tried a carto tank? people swear by them.


as for rba's again whatever problems you may have may be a hindrance but the many 1000's of first time users having instant success with the kayfun atty's shows it can be done and enjoyed by even the least skilled beginners.

you wait until what? 100 posts later? to tell people but I have issues that make using my hands difficult, you ask, we give advice, you ignore the suggestions and ask many of the same questions again and again. in some not so subtle ways telling many of use we are mistaken or wrong. how do you expect people to respond to that?

noone is trying to give you a hard time, we simply dont understand why is it you want stuff, many many people have left behind in their vaping journey, to work so desperately. all day, every day post after post about how people thought clearos were ok but lacking yet now that they found XX and YY device they will never go back.

everyone here keeps telling you they dont work, they are flawed and you shouldnt expect better, somehow you just keep ignoring this and stating basically, i think it must be this device yet im going to keep trying. all we are trying to tell you is your not the first to go through this and it's a waste of time.

this isnt 4 years ago - if clearos arent cutting it there are now literally 100's of viable options. clearos were wonderful when we were still using tea bags and blue foam to mod cartridges to work better and suddenly something that kinda worked without modifying was a godsend, yet for most of the vaping community clearos simply have to be accepted with the flaws or you move on to other things that actually work correctly.

I said it once and I will try to say it again - if they worked there would not be 500 videos on how to recoil and modify the heads to try and make then work better

 

[Ref Minor]

My new computer should be here soon and that's what I'll use as my editing powerhorse - a $99 tablet-ish thing from a pawn shop won't even edit something as low-res as a 360P video without crashing.

And yet you expect a CE5 to give you a high quality vape, can you see the parallel?

 

[GoodNews!]

The honest truth is that I don't really like people knowing I shake a bit - if I needed anything else to convince people I was nuts, it would be that. I have a lot of trouble even taking apart Protank heads... I'm a clean freak, and yet if I drop the head or the pieces, and they roll off the table or get on the table, it really frustrates me... just a bit ago, I dropped one of my Crow heads on the floor and I was so frustrated with it that I literally almost teared up, this is a grown man saying this. I get really angry at myself and I wish I didn't have this problem - the way I saw it with RBA's, is that I wouldn't be able to do it, pure and simple, and that's why I kept going on and on with non-rebuildables. I thought, "Surely something out there will work, surely this is just bad luck, surely I don't have the curse of hating silica and stock coils." and with the added motivation of how juice bar clearomizers worked beautifully even turning them up to like 4.5V's just to destroy them on purpose (hey, my local vendor tried ripping me off multiple times, I figured why not get my money's worth somehow...), I kept trying pre-builds. If I couldn't destroy a store's sampler no matter how strongly I inhaled, or no matter how much I tried over-volting it when they weren't looking, the fact that they would not yeild a bad result kept me trying and trying for the same good result myself, at home.

Juices would taste good on them that tasted instantly horrible in the same exact clearomziers I would buy from the same vendor. When I tasted so many of the juices at the juice bar, I was in heaven. All of the clearos worked outstandingly. I get home, and with the same exact clearos (or so I think), the juice will taste like charcoal, it'll taste like cigarette filters, I don't know what gives. All I wanted to do from the very beginning is take home the juice and clearo combo that I tested at the store, go home, fill it up, and watch Lord Of The Rings. I couldn't tell you how many times I've taken Lord Of The Rings back to the rental shop because the vaping experience keeps failing and I can't vape to that film. I love Lord Of The Rings but I can't watch the darn films without smoking something, they're way too long. And now I can't smoke in the house. So that's that. If it isn't the definition of frustration, I don't know what is. Better devices later - Aspire, iClear, ect ect, I never got anything better, even got things sometimes much worse.

For right now, yes, I have predominantly accepted that RBA's are going to be what I have to do. I have no clue why juice bar clearomizers work like nothing I've ever had, and I guess I have to forget the temptation of that whole thing. And I'll have to wait until next month probably, I have no extra cash at all right now. I have $20 to last me the entire month, just for cigarettes. That's why I'm posting about the devices I already have, I keep hoping for some miracle. I have not one extra $1 to spend. I gotta pay my bills.