Could by battery really be the issue?

[Thrasher]

try
a
carto
tank

100% better then a clearo with very little effort. I really liked them but got tired of something else using disposables.
there are many here with problems and we try to help, not hinder them.

but really - try a carto tank it may be exactly what your looking for, slide the carto into the tank, fill, and vape away/

 

[GoodNews!]

.... Guess what.

I don't know if it's that my tongue has gotten immune for a little bit to the nasty taste of the Aspire, but I've been testing the Aspire this morning, and I noticed that every time the vapor would taste a bit like a singed cigarette filter, that it would increasingly pop and sizzle. I've previously tried sucking on the Aspire quite hard to see if the air-flow would cool it down. However, just a minute ago, I thought to myself "....... this thing, I'm going to conduct my last technique test and inhale as absolutely hard as I can, and if it burns, it burns, if it tastes better, then praise the lord."

So I inhale so severely that it's comedic. If a vaping buddy were sitting in the room, they would think I was making fun of vapers with how hard I inhaled. I sounded like a kid trying to play his first clarinet. However, something absolutely magical happened - the coil did not sizzle or pop, and guess what - the vapor that came out of it tasted quite clean! I try it again, and bam - again, clean vapor! I keep doing it - clean vapor! Now, I'm still considering that I just have cigarette-filter's tongue for the moment and that maybe I just can't taste the bad flavor for awhile, but golly gee if this has been the problem all along, that I wasn't puffing on my device like a dragon, then I'm going to either throw a party or throw this Aspire against a wall just for how much frustration it's given me, just to get some satisfaction and show it who's boss, and buy a new one! Ha.

If this is what makes the Aspire taste good, then geez... but hey, not one person on this forum told me to puff harder. I don't think this is what will make it work though, I think it's just some fluke, but I'm literally rolling on the ground with laughter at how embarrassed with myself I am if this is simply been the problem, that I don't suck on my devices hard enough. I think I'll go nuts with just the sheer irony of it.








Okay, so that test didn't work out on the Crow too well. But on the Aspire? Maybe there's something to it. Maybe my light draw (I enjoy drawing light to really hold the vapor in my mouth and taste it...) is the big curse? I'll be doing some testing to see! I'll have to let my tongue rest a bit, I do have some cigarette-filter's tongue going on atm.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

On and on and on, do you not understand that probably 90% of new vapers fill a clearo any clearo with 50/50 juice give it time to wick then a few primer puffs and have none of the issues you seem to have.
That should tell you sumthin.

You definitely discount / ignore the majority of what you don't want to hear, it is all but impossible to help someone that does that.
When you do respond to folks trying to help you type out lengthy rebuttals of why they are wrong, why it won't work for you, why your vaping problems can't be resolved by what anyone on earth suggests.

I too was very frustrated by vaping for my first 11 months, in those 11 months I spent more than 4 times what you have on power devices alone (Pv's & APV's), double what you have on delivery devices, 3 times what you have on juices.
Name it I have more than likely owned used and vaped it.

Nothing worked for me for more than a day or two, everything was crap. I was so frustrated the entire time I was still smoking too, if you are still smoking even a little while vaping your sense of smell/taste is all outa whack and it is quite common for vape to taste like crap.
Mine certainly was, everything I vaped tasted almost exactly as you describe. For me it was about 2 weeks after my last cigarette before anything I vaped tasted good for more than a couple puffs.

Then I found ECF and a vape shop with an excellent friendly knowledgeable staff. I spent weeks reading without posting a single time, I spent hours listening & paying attention to the folks at the vape store.
What I found out the hard way was I was the reason everything I tried was crap. My inhalation techniques, my choice in flavors, my choice to buy flavors from highly recommended vendors, my choice in mismatched equipment, my choice in vapor quantity & TH over quality, my desire to fiddle with delivery devices to improve them, mostly my reluctance to accept that what worked for most folks would work for me too if given a chance.

It was a difficult pill to swallow but something I quickly got over considering the whole time my wife was using an ego mini battery with a $4 ce4 and a local vape shops juice that absolutely blew away all my high $ equipment.
Why? because for the first 11 months I thought I knew what I was doing, I was wrong.

11 months of trying with no luck, gave myself an attitude adjustment = Dec 24th will be 1 year without a single cigarette.
All 11 moths of frustration due to beating my head on a wall demanding that everything should work they way I wanted it to instead of listening to the advice given by the experienced.

I really am not trying to be rude here, your 4 years of experience sounds identical to my 11 month period of vaping without success, It really is obvious to most of us where the problems you're having originate.

Then again vaping is one of those things that not every person can do, some folks just can't for a myriad of reasons.

If you can't get a single simple clearo or carto to work for you a rebuildable is gonna be pure misery IMO.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I'm surprised the problem is you don't suck enough. I'd have lost that bet. I'm glad its working for you though! And +1 in the carto tank. With the right cargo like a boge and proper filling technique, the work great. See baditudes blog for priming a carto before trying.

 

[Fulgurant]

You definitely discount / ignore the majority of what you don't want to hear, it is all but impossible to help someone that does that. When you do respond to folks trying to help you type out lengthy rebuttals of why they are wrong, why it won't work for you, why your vaping problems can't be resolved by what anyone on earth suggests.

I too was very frustrated by vaping for my first 11 months, in those 11 months I spent more than 4 times what you have on power devices alone (Pv's & APV's), double what you have on delivery devices, 3 times what you have on juices.

It's definitely not hard to outsmart yourself whenever you get heavily interested in any new thing. Great post.

My own vaping journey appears to be the reverse of yours: I started with a simple ego-style kit with a handful of Kanger T2 clearos (Halo's version of the T2, anyway), and had zero problems or complaints. Didn't even really think about it for the first couple of months; the thing just worked, and worked well. Still does.

It was only after I started experimenting with more high-end and/or exotic items that I started having issues, not necessarily because the equipment was flawed or difficult, but because I spent a lot of time and energy over-thinking how to use them most effectively. And yeah, draw technique is one of those ineffable things that can haunt the over-active mind. Fact is that different devices require a different amount of, um, suction for lack of a better term. That's why people like PBusardo spend so much time talking about airflow.

In fact, as I recall, I linked PBusardo's Aspire-themed airflow video in the OP's very first forum thread. And I was summarily dismissed.

That said, and beyond learning a couple of basic principles, draw technique shouldn't be something that the average user spends an awful lot of time worrying about. Either the device in question works comfortably with your preferred draw technique or it doesn't, and most devices allow for a fair amount of wiggle room. If the device doesn't work comfortably for you, then try something else. Simple.

 

[Asbestos4004]

try tilting your clearomizer

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Sigh... I'm a caring and good natured person. I like to help others, and teach what I can. Obviously MANY here are the same way, for which I have been very grateful. Eventually you will run out of people who will try to help, if you treat them poorly, ignore what they say, or accuse them of being dishonest. Too much talking and not enough listening, as my dad used to say.

And you've made a liar of me, as I said I wouldn't post in these threads anymore... Sigh x2

 

[Asbestos4004]

Sigh... I'm a caring and good natured person. I like to help others, and teach what I can. Obviously MANY here are the same way, for which I have been very grateful. Eventually you will run out of people who will try to help, if you treat them poorly, ignore what they say, or accuse them of being dishonest. Too much talking and not enough listening, as my dad used to say.

And you've made a liar of me, as I said I wouldn't post in these threads anymore... Sigh x2

Me too, Jake. Me too. I'm drawn to it like a free provari stand.

 

[catalinaflyer]

And you've made a liar of me, as I said I wouldn't post in these threads anymore... Sigh x2

Me too, Jake. Me too. I'm drawn to it like a free provari stand.

It's like watching a multicar pileup, you want to look away but it's impossible.

 

[InTheShade]

.but hey, not one person on this forum told me to puff harder.

It probably never occurred to most of us that after 4 years of vaping you may not have thought to do this yourself. Inhalation technique is on the first page of the first chapter in vaping 101.

I feel for you GN, I really do. There is nothing as frustrating as not getting a satisfying vape, but look at the volume of responses you have had on all your threads - everyone on here wants you to succeed and most are genuinely trying to help. Please don't try to 'call us out' that we didn't suggest a solution - just look around and notice how many people are giving over their free time to try to help - even though most of the time that help is rejected out of hand.

I wish you good luck fellow vaper.

 

[GoodNews!]

Here's something I want everyone to understand:

With the exception of trying an RBA, I've taken everyone's advice, and have simply explained that I have already followed that advice if it is indeed a repeat of information. A clear example above is someone saying that I dismissed Phil's Air-Flow video, when, during the time that information was given, I had already watched that video several times, bought an air-flow controller, and had nothing change except that it induced leaking when I adjusted the controller even slightly too tight. I had already tried both vaping on my devices with a very soft and vary hard draw, and didn't get a change. Only now have I tried pretty much ruining my current Aspire head with an extremely batnuts lunatic draw because I didn't want to ruin the last head I have.

I don't dismiss anyone's advice and I usually reply to any advice given politely explaining my techniques and the mystery of why the advice doesn't work. I've never been rude to anyone concerning advice. The only time I have been rude to anyone on this forum is when I see direct quotes like "Shut up, I'm getting tired of hearing you ask questions." or "I haven't read all of your posts so, to my knowledge, you're only using a $4 cheapo clearomizer from Fasttech, so that doesn't make you a reviewer." or "There must be something wrong with you because every device in the vaping world works perfectly, especially from TheShopThatIWorkAt.com, so you must be doing everything wrong." I grow tired of that and I will be rude.

Just as an update about the heavy draw technique, I found out the reason that my vapor tasted cleaner was simply that more air was diluting it. The flavor of my juice didn't get stronger or anything, it was simply that the vapor was less dense and had less of a filter taste. It also made my head hurt sucking that hard, so I gave up on that. With some more tests, what I concluded is that, in the Aspire, almost no juice works well in it unless it is the perfect ratio of VG/PG. I kept mixing juices and I finally found a thickness combination that was giving me a better tasting vape and didn't seem to leak, even below the head line. I kept vaping on that all morning because it tasted pretty good. Went to fill it up again, trying for the same thickness mixture, and instantly, leaking, so I thickened it back up with some VG, and then instantly, a dry, wicky taste. I can't find that same good combo again, and to be frank, it shouldn't be that complex.

You know, I agree with everyone that either A. These products or junk. or B. That there may be some truth to the fact that only a rare juice can be used with a rare device that can only be used with a rare battery that can only be used with a rare draw technique. Sure, I can accept that. Can I accept not vaping for the rest of my life simply because the combinations are so complex that I probably will never find the right one having no real vendor in my area? No. Somewhere down the line, I think these products should work. I mean, I get plenty of vapor and no real technical issues out of everything I try, except I usually either taste a singed wall-insulation layer to whatever juice I use, or it tastes like pure, burnt wall-insulation. I can't say I'm the most experienced user here, but I simply won't back down in saying that I've tried every combination and form of testing under the sun - for what's generally available and understandable to someone who hasn't been vaping since the dawn of time - and this has been a problem I just can't figure out.

Concerning silica pre-built devices, the Aspire has been the best so far, with the Smokin' Crow Hemp being pretty equal, and I simply have to stick with that opinion and hope that RBA's can complete the full picture and help me avoid a wicky taste. The other miracles I hope for is that yes, I hope it may be my battery, yes, I hope it may be my (many) juices, yes, I hope it may be something wrong with my draw technique, but I've listened to all the advice possible, tried every single thing I can physically do, and nothing is working. If I was really out to bash vaping or vendors, I'd list some of the specific vendors that I don't feel approximate with, and I don't do that. I've even so far have tried my best not to even directly reply to certain users and I really try to keep my stern replies very vague as to make the statements look more broad and a warning for everyone, rather than even directly engaging with arguments.

Again, yes, this here is a time where I am posting less and I'm getting to the bottom of the barrel in the choice that my line-up of devices don't seem to have any chance of delivering the clean, moist, flavorful vaping experience that I personally need to have confidence that vaping is safe, and to keep me off cigarettes. I'd vape a CE4 if it worked, I'd vape any tank if it worked, and now, I'm going to try my best to find the best RBA for me, if it'll work. I'm still considering carto-tanks, as that has been recommended to me out the wazoo (I've listened!) and with that, I only wish too that I had a local vendor who stocked and knew about them - they do have a filling technique that is indeed finicky and I have only simply had reservations about what I should plunge more money down on next. It's not that I'm ignoring anyone, it's that I'm trying to get something I have in my vaping box to work until then.

Concerning juice, just about the only thing I haven't tried is a pure, mixed-at-the-vendor 50/50 juice. I have reason to believe that PG is really helpful to getting a juice to wick, but that VG does a really good job of keeping the wick a lot more moist as the coil is heated, just because it's thicker. PG juices always seem to snap and pop like crazy, and seem to lead to that dry, insiltation-filter-like taste I hate, and yet pure VG just, I don't know, I've had mixed results with it. For better or worse, if something doesn't work, I just mix juices in a tank and fiddle with that. Luckily, every juice in my stock just never seems to taste bad when mixed - I have literally 5 different juices mixed in the Aspire right now lol. But I know that this abestos-like taste is not from my juices, it happens on no matter what single juice I use, across the board.

P.S. For example, with the Aspire, I just added a few drops of a PG juice, and instantly, better vape. If I would have added just a few more drops though, the thing would have leaked like crazy, as it did before I had added a few drops of a VG just minutes before. This thing simply seems to have such a precise need for a certain rare VG/PG ratio to both avoid leaking and dry hits.

The only devices that gave me any %100 trouble are:
-The iClear 30
-The Aro Tank
-The Aurora

With those three, the iClear 30 leaked all over the place from between the plastic and base, not my fault (I screw things on very carefully, and had this exact problem with 1 out of 5 CE5's that continously would leak no matter what), and while I managed to slow down the leaking, the iClear 30, after letting it wick overnight, was absolute trash. It gave me an extremely burnt silica taste at 3.3V's, it almost made me puke. With the Aro tank, I tried 3 heads, and out of all 3, they all tasted like burnt charoal no matter what I did, and the heads for it are extremely faulty, having major production flaws. With the Aurora, it had a suction problem and a 510 connection problem that caused both juice to build up in the center chamber, without being able to be pushed up into the atomizer, and one of the stock heads sent with it wouldn't even screw on - the head's 510 was way too big. All of those devices had faults that simply were beyond any user error. It happens.

All the rest of my devices, the Protank II, various CE4/CE5's, the Smokin Crow, the Aspire... all of these have "technically" worked great, but simply all have a wicky taste that I simply cannot accept or get over. I can marginally taste the juice I put into them, but it's overwhelmed with an abestos-like taste, and it would seem that, no matter what juice or manipulations or tools I use, they do not wick well enough or have other faults. Someone would have to take these devices and fix them themselves if they believe they can be fixed, because I have simply ran out of physical things that I can do to alter to these tanks. It's beyond my reach. It's beyond my capabilities and knowledge. And for devices that should and seemingly have worked for thousands upon thousands of people, the only thing I can say is that either I've had some bad luck with these devices, or my taste buds are either way too sensitive or messed up, or people simply aren't as sensitive to the wicky taste as I particularly am, or, finally, and I think everyone would truly in their mind's mind not truly agree with, that I must be so stupid that I can't read the 3.3V's notch on my battery correctly and that I must be firing it at 4.8V's.

 

[Myrany]

Good News, I appreciate your explanation. I think many of us are nearly as frustrated as you are. You see we WANT to help you but the things we think of to try can only go so far as solutions we have found to problems we have had. Most of us are running out of ideas.

I can only speak for myself here but I just have never had the trouble you do with a bad tasting vape. Some devices have done better than others in flavor but other than some fasttech evod heads that all tasted disgusting out of the box nothing has been that bad. I run 50/50 and 60vg/40pg through my aspire (plastic vivi nova style) all the time. I am still on the first head weeks later. I did find that one behaved better on my vamo than my twists but it was not a huge difference.

FOr myself other than when out driving I don't use clearos anymore. I run mechs with RDAs set up with microcoils (1.2-1.8 ohm) and rolled cotton. That was MY happy place. Yours in the end will be something different. I have a whole tacklebox of gear that I keep for emergencies but honestly don't use anymore. It was leaking that really drove me away from any clearo except the Aspire (never leaked for me).

It is a journey for all of us and yours has been harder than most. I really do wish I could help more.

 

[catalinaflyer]

If a train leaves New York traveling West at 72 mph and a train leaves Chicago traveling East at 64 mph on the same tracks how many paragraphs of the exact same thing will it take before we all can't look away from the crash?

Sorry Mr Good News, you set here and talk about how you haven't been rude and all that yet in one of your reviews alone when asked for more information you basically said "your the expert and everybody else should already know your techniques bla bla bla" talking down to everyone who read it. You then time after time accuse the vast majority of the 160,000+ members on here of all being vendors or employees of vendors. People offer you advice and instantly you reply that you have already tried that and it doesn't work then just dismiss any further help.

Dude, throw all your vape stuff away and go buy a carton of analogues. Vaping isn't for everyone and anyone who has as much trouble as you then dismisses every single offer of advice because you already know better has no business trying to vape. It's far too complicated to put juice in a clearo that works for 99% of the rest of the world and vape from it. Your absolutely correct, we are all vendors and vendor employees and as such we have a secrete forum where we all have gathered and conspired against only 1 person. You caught us.

And finally,
Iclear 30 x 4 and none, not a single one has ever leaked no matter the vg/pg ratio and never a flood or "wicky" taste
Iclear 30S x 1 and never a drip of a leak or flood or "wicky" taste
Protank 2 x 1 and again, never a leak, occasional flood caused by my draw techniques but no such thing as a "wicky" taste
Protank 2 Mini's x 2 and never a leak, flood or "wicky" taste
Iclear 16's Vision clearo's etc. x don't remember how many and never a leak, a rare flood, never heard of or experienced a "wicky" taste.

Yes, I have experienced problems but I have also discovered that 99.9% of the time if I'll just read some posts on here I can find that I'm the problem and fix it without writing pages of babble to say that my $3.00 clearo tastes bad.

Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk

 

[Thrasher]

just........ LOL

 

[GoodNews!]

Catalinaflyer, you're the exact type of member I'm talking about. You're the type of member to sit there and claim that all vaping devices are perfect when Innokin themselves released a recall, and Phil himself has seen problems with the Aspire having burnt tastes, and I could go on and on and on and on.

I have also never replied to anyone in the way you are suggesting I have, unless they behaved in the exact manner I described above, and I'd enjoy it if you could find a particular thread where this wasn't the case. If you can't do it by the end of today, I will report you for harassment.

And I do remember that particular thread btw, and whoever asked me for more information on my vaping methods was extremely rude about it. If they were going to be that rude, they should have taken the time to at least read one other post I've made out of the 200+ in this forum. I've probably said "3.3V's", what, over 1,000 times now? Ya'll complain about how much I type and then say I don't provide any info! What complete .....'s.

But again, with how certain members harass me, and purposely twist and turn quotes and situations to make me look bad, I have no choice but to think some of these members do work for certain vendors who do not want standards in the vaping industry to be exposed. I've experienced this attitude from virtually any vendor that I ask for a refund from, except the honest ones.

The honest ones say things like, "Yeah, we had to get in touch with the factory because so many of these things were burning up or leaking. To be honest, just don't fool with them, get an RBA."

(^A direct quote from over 5 vendors just an hour away from me...)

Again, I'm sure many people get perfectly working devices and that's that. I don't believe anyone will ever experience certain problems that I have unless they buy 5 of the devices right in a row, the ratio is usually 1 out of 5. I happen to usually get the "1.", as I do generally have bad luck in life. If that's the case, others will too. If vendors would refund or exchange that "1" without fuss, I probably wouldn't even be on here. I just want something that tastes good. Also, if a device leaks between the seals, I always can manage to get it to slow down and %99 stop because I am good with these things, but it will still leak a drop every now and then, making the tank sticky. That is not professional workmanship or businessmanship. I don't correlate well with that type of thing..

And yes, the predominant problem in my vaping experience has been a singed, wall-insulation, asbestos, sweet-cotton-smoke taste to whichever tank or head I use, and it is absolutely the biggest mystery to me that I could ever describe. I don't even know why silica would taste like this, I'd expect it with cotton or maybe hemp. Sometimes it's strong to the point of feeling like puking or gagging, sometimes it's just an undertone, but it will not go away no matter what I do.

... And I don't taste it in juice bars. Sometimes I taste it on fellow vaper's devices.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Has that 3.3v been verified by a multimeter?

 

[Thrasher]

To be honest, just don't fool with them, get an RBA."

Now thats hilarious! you accuse us of basically being not very helpful yet we have also stated this at least a dozen times. yet you drone on and on about how to make a bad thing better,
soo why do you believe those vendors but basically brush the community off for suggesting the same thing.


it seems no matter who you have talked to and no matter where you turn evenone agrees these devices suck, yet for the few who have no issues you somehow twist this to mean they must be dishonest. and thats some serious paranoia there.

every product has a percentage of people with no problems, it does not make them dishonest or a shill for a vendor. you need to take off that tinfoil hat man!

I have had nothing but issues with cheap mods yet many people do not, so i guess they are all lying?

 

[Ladiekali]

I thought dry hit was when there is lack of moisture in your throat... Like it feels dry... Birnt hit is that burned rubber taste... Am i wrong?

 

[Orb Skewer]

Get the You-tube vids going Goodnews - 30,000 hits-easy

 

[Ladiekali]

I would like to add that i cant stand the taste of clearos. Even the aspire bdc's has it. I dont enjoy cartomizers either... I by chance tried cartotanks and that has given me the cleanest taste.

I didnt read everything on this thread, just kinda skimmed. Different juices taste better or worse at different ohms and volts. So my suggestion is use a mvp or provari topped with a smok dct or ibtanked.... Use what u feel you can afford and check the results for yourself..