Thanks WillyB and asdaq. Oh yeah the vice suctions to the countertop but it has to be cleaned up for it to work though I recommend if anyone is not comfortable with any of the steps to practice safety first. That does look unsafe asdaq, here we have this store called harbor freight that sells cheap tools and thats where that dremel tool came from with attachments for $5. You get what you pay for, though it gets the job done, I could stop the wheel with my hand without a scratch. Time to clean that room up and countertop.