Dark horse 100% vg no flavor?

[IRJames]

So I've been and on and off vaper for a few years and finally left analogues alone when I got my ss Apollo bribe back in July. Ive been vaping bobas but since it was out of stock, I decided to try a new fluid company, in this case heather's hv.

So I got some 30 mm each of dark horse, dragons fire, and vanilla dreams , and wanted to check on something. Everything I've seen said dark horse should have a fair flavor, but I taste nothing but straight vg. I am using a vg only mix, but expected some flavor atleast, especially after reviews and bobas. The dragons fire has some flavor but definitely needs to steep to develop. Haven't tried the vanilla yet. Am using a viva at 1.8. Any thoughts? Did they send me straight vg or is the flavor really that mild?

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[jazzbo]

Straight VG tends not to carry flavors as well as juice with a pg component. I've ordered 100%VG ry4 before from CCV and could barely taste a thing. If you wanna use straight VG ask if you can get double flavorings....

 

[IRJames]

So is bobas the exception to the norm then, when it comes to straight vgvwith big flavor?


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[Racehorse]

Straight VG tends not to carry flavors as well as juice with a pg component. I've ordered 100%VG ry4 before from CCV and could barely taste a thing. If you wanna use straight VG ask if you can get double flavorings....

completely disagree!

And not speaking about any one vendor in particular.

Bobas Bounty, one of the top selling juices, is 100% VG. Its the recipe. They "do" 100% VG and they do it well.

I've said this beofre, and I''l just say it again: just adding extra flavor doesn't make a VG juice good. As a matter of fact, it often ruins it. First of all you are changing the whole recipe. Anyone who DIYs understands this.


IF a juice doesn't work in 100% VG, it's either because the recipe wasn't born and conceived in 100% VG (like the famed Bobas Bounty was) or it wasn't conceived corrrectly and doesn't work as 100% VG ------- and should be re-formulated entirely by the mixer, or dropped from their juice line.


Alien Visions does 100% VG juice and there's plenty of flavor. If it were as simple as just adding a point and click for "extra flavor", then pretty much anyone could have made Bobas Bounty by now........and they haven't. I suspect this is because it takes a special knack to mix flavorful juices in 100% VG that appeal to a huge base.

But, if and when a mixer tells me they're just going to dump some extra flavor into my juice, I run.

I think most people who only vape 100% VG understand how this works. It's not like you can take juice that is 65/35 and make it VG just by adding more flavor. I hugely respect companies like NLV (nitelitevapor) who simply won't do it. Why? Because they KNOW that their juice was formulated 65/35, and that is the way it tastes right. They're not going to send you juice that is 100% VG by just "bumping up the flavor" . They know better Their GOLD and Bounty Hunter, etc. was not conceived as all VG, that is not the recipe, and to make it that would ruin their juice.

I only vape 100% VG, and I have been told by some vendors "we can't make your juice 100% VG, it would change the flavor too much and then it wouldn't be what it's supposed to be. "

 

[GreenEyesDon'tLie]

Dark Horse is pretty good juice, but I could see how it wouldn't work as 100% VG. It wasn't formulated with straight VG in mind, and it's not a super-strong flavor anyway. I wouldn't call it mild necessarily, but it's not "in your face".

I love it at 70/30 though, and I'm pretty sure that's the ratio most HHV juices are really suited for

 

[jazzbo]

completely disagree!

And not speaking about any one vendor in particular.

Bobas Bounty, one of the top selling juices, is 100% VG. Its the recipe. They "do" 100% VG and they do it well.

I've said this beofre, and I''l just say it again: just adding extra flavor doesn't make a VG juice good. As a matter of fact, it often ruins it. First of all you are changing the whole recipe. Anyone who DIYs understands this.


IF a juice doesn't work in 100% VG, it's either because the recipe wasn't born and conceived in 100% VG (like the famed Bobas Bounty was) or it wasn't conceived corrrectly and doesn't work as 100% VG ------- and should be re-formulated entirely by the mixer, or dropped from their juice line.


Alien Visions does 100% VG juice and there's plenty of flavor. If it were as simple as just adding a point and click for "extra flavor", then pretty much anyone could have made Bobas Bounty by now........and they haven't. I suspect this is because it takes a special knack to mix flavorful juices in 100% VG that appeal to a huge base.

But, if and when a mixer tells me they're just going to dump some extra flavor into my juice, I run.

I think most people who only vape 100% VG understand how this works. It's not like you can take juice that is 65/35 and make it VG just by adding more flavor. I hugely respect companies like NLV (nitelitevapor) who simply won't do it. Why? Because they KNOW that their juice was formulated 65/35, and that is the way it tastes right. They're not going to send you juice that is 100% VG by just "bumping up the flavor" . They know better Their GOLD and Bounty Hunter, etc. was not conceived as all VG, that is not the recipe, and to make it that would ruin their juice.

I only vape 100% VG, and I have been told by some vendors "we can't make your juice 100% VG, it would change the flavor too much and then it wouldn't be what it's supposed to be. "

There are exceptions, obviously. AV most def takes into account the fact that VG does not carry flavor well (and is far sweeter by itself than PG) by jacking up/altering the flavoring the use to get a specific result, which you NEED to do with vg. You simply cannot take the same recipe that a pg specific juice uses and use the same amount of flavors with vg and expect the same result (and vice versa).... Hence the reason you should usually ask for double flavors with most VG juices if they do, indeed, taste weak. That was the original issue. If the taste is close but not quite, no harm in asking for increased flavoring I've done it a few times (including with CCV...which ended up tasting awesome compared to the original). If it's fine the way it is (as with BB), no issues then, innit?

 

[IRJames]

So basically, when I ordered everything straight vg, expecting the flavor otherwise had from other vendors who specialize in it, I was having unrealistic expectations? Other than av who seems to always be out of stock on the ones I like (gorillas was good too) any other vg vendors to look at?

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[Caridwen]

Usually 100% VG really needs to steep. Did you always use the 1.8 viva?

 

[Caridwen]

So basically, when I ordered everything straight vg, expecting the flavor otherwise had from other vendors who specialize in it, I was having unrealistic expectations? Other than av who seems to always be out of stock on the ones I like (gorillas was good too) any other vg vendors to look at?

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I would think that a vendor that sells 100% VG would mention if it didn't have any flavor. If someone is selling 100% VG juice as an option they should know that. If that's the case that it has no flavor because it's 100% VG. I'd give it some time to steep and contact them.

 

[Black Strat]

You should definitely contact Heather's and talk to them. All of my juices from Heathers are 30/70 and taste great so they do know VG. I have vaped a sample of Dark Horse in 30/70 and it was plenty flavorful as well. You can post your question on this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...7-heathers-heavenly-vapes-tobacco-line-2.html

I know there is at least one person who does all 100% VG from Heathers. He may have perspective for you.

 

[Bronze]

IMO only, Dark Horse is a very light flavored vape. It's meant to give you TH and nic in an uncomplicated vape. It's cousin, Huntsman, is very similar to Dark Horse except it has considerably more flavor. They are in that grassy, earthy category.

 

[IRJames]

I started with what turned out to be a smoktech dct tank gotten with my vtube (in regards to vaping, prior vaping was on kr808 and 808d1s which didn't last and weren't satisfying)

Then I got a few valley vapes pp tanks, but after a bad boge, looked elsewhere and found my vivanova. Also got a smoktitan but it got stuck to the top of mod and leaked slightly, so even with the lower size I'm sticking to the nova for now.

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[Caridwen]

Sometimes, - not sure about this liquid, but you do lose some flavor if resistance is too low. Do you still have a carto around? Try it on your KR808 and see if it's still the case. I would say let it steep. If it doesn't improve, contact them.

Edit: Some people put the bottle in a cup of warm water to help it steep a little faster.

 

[IRJames]

The 808s are years old aand dead. Had some quikecigs that were more recent but gave em away when I got my tube. Have some boges, just not thrilled about the risk of that burnt flavor. Had a couple bad ones, then put the rest away.

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[Caridwen]

Two things reduce flavor - at least in my estimation and opinions do vary. Tanks and VG both seems to mute flavor for me. Add to the fact that it's fresh liquid that hasn't really steeped and you're vaping at low resistance, and that could account for it. I have some very light fruity liquids that you can barely taste the flavor at hv or with lr. Or, it could just be the liquid. I buy the same liquid all the time, and I got a bottle once that I could barely taste.

 

[Caridwen]

I started with what turned out to be a smoktech dct tank gotten with my vtube (in regards to vaping, prior vaping was on kr808 and 808d1s which didn't last and weren't satisfying)

Then I got a few valley vapes pp tanks, but after a bad boge, looked elsewhere and found my vivanova. Also got a smoktitan but it got stuck to the top of mod and leaked slightly, so even with the lower size I'm sticking to the nova for now.

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Do you have any more boge cartos? Fill one using the condom method then give it a really hard thermometer shake then and add more juice. Let it sit 15 minutes or so and keep adding a drop or two of juice. Let it sit. Keep topping off till it pools on top. You need it saturated and VG is slow to absorb. Even roll it on it's side. If you ever use a clear carto, you can see little dry pockets in the carto.

 

[IRJames]

All my cartos are prepunched from valley vapes, what I was doing us syringe filling after filling the tank, then doing a modified Taryn spin. Think how you get that last bit of ketchup from the bottle, while holding the tank and blocking the bottom hole. When I got burning on the boges they were saturated.

Is it normal to have to steep fluids to get any flavor out of them? I'm just weary of pg because its a slightly harsher. Chem than vg

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[Racehorse]

no harm in asking for increased flavoring I've done it a few times (including with CCV...which ended up tasting awesome compared to the original). If it's fine the way it is (as with BB), no issues then, innit?

Is CCV using 100% VG for the mixing, as well as 100% VG nic and PG-free flavorings for the juices that you asked for a bump in flavor on?

Since most flavorings are extracted in PG then bumping the flavor would also bump the PG content upwards.

In which case, for anyone with a PG sensitivity, there would be harm done, actually.


IR, I think as Carwiden said, steeping benefits VG juice, at least it has for me. And tanks also seem to mute the flavor, for me. I pretty much had to switch to a bottom feeder and just vape straight off an atty since I only vape VG. Getting lots of flavor that way. And yeah, IR, some of us like you really can taste PG, and find it harsh.

 

[kingblunt204]

i like 50- 50 or 30-70

 

[IRJames]

I might not even be pg sensitive, I've just had some juices in the distant past, atleast for vapor tech, that made me feel weird etc.

I don't know, the vg dark horse might be fine, its just from the description and name I was kind of expecting more flavor.

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