I've heard the process for this atty is a little different. Can anyone elaborate? juice keeps pooling up in my drip tip because it just sits on top of the bridge, might as well get rid of it.
De-bridge a Cisco 306?
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I think the juice is probably pooling because the juice your using is VG based or thicker than a pure PG juice. I have this issue sometimes, and i do a couple of quick blows into the drip tip WITHOUT my lips to the drip tip. That should be enough force to push the juice down into the wick and coil.
Also, for a cisco LR 306 atty, you should be putting in 4 drops bone dry and 2-3 periodically after that. Any more will flood it.
Also, for a cisco LR 306 atty, you should be putting in 4 drops bone dry and 2-3 periodically after that. Any more will flood it.
Well it's definitely not flooding. I just figured that out because the vapor will eventually bubble up and come through the juice caught in the tip, and when it does, it tastes like a dry hit. So the juice is sitting up on the bridge/in the tip, meanwhile the vapor coming from underneath is dry. Maybe I should try one of the cannon drip dips that supposedly have a bigger diameter inside.
I'm only putting in two or three drops once the flavor starts to fade away. Even at two drops it won't soak in it just sits in there and I end up inhaling the juice.
I'm only putting in two or three drops once the flavor starts to fade away. Even at two drops it won't soak in it just sits in there and I end up inhaling the juice.
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Have you tried blowing on the "pool"? I get what you described often and I blow on the drip tip a couple times and the liquid then goes down into the wick and its fixed.
I am not bashing here as I don't have enough experience with the various 306 LR’s out there, only relaying practical experience. I started vaping with the Inferno kit. With my first order to Volcano, I picked up a Cisco 306. I experienced much of the same issues many on this form post about Cisco (burnt taste, leaking atty,...). I was fairly convinced that a 306 LR wasn't for me (maybe I was doing it wrong). That was until I went to the retail grand opening at Good Prophets. While there, based on the owners recommendation, I picked up a Joye 306 LR. I haven't looked back or considered any other atty since then. Frankly, I can't see that it would be possible to get a better TH or Vapor out of anything else (particularly after educating myself about Volts and Ohms). This I can tell you with 100% confidence as I now own about 5 Joye 306's. From a dry atty, I drop 6 drops of fluid into the atty (no flooding), give it two very quick burns, and then another 2-3 drops in and vape away till it tastes a little dry (usually 10 good drags) and then add a few more drops. Occasionally, I will blow out the atty to clear the flavor. When I do that, I will usually add 2-3 drops of straight Wallyworld PG (very thick stuff which easily gets to the coil...yes, there is a bridge and wick in these atty's) give it a few drags to make sure I am getting good vapor production, then top off with 2-3 drops of my favorite juice. Cisco's might be the best for some out there for now, I'm sticking with the Joye 306LR.
Just to make sure I am staying on point with this thread, as I said above, I can take 100% PG from Wallyworld and vape till the cows come home on a stock Joye 306 LR. Never a burnt taste, no blowing in the top...just vapor (and lots of it when doing 100% PG).
I have tried both and I prefer the Cisco. The Ciscos seem to have better throat hit and vapor. I think the vapor increase is the biggest difference. They are also ohmed .2 lower if I'm correct. I'm interested in trying the cisco 510 though because I do like that the 510 can hold a couple more drops without flooding. On a dry joye 510 I drop 6 drops to get it started as well but on a 306, 4 does the trick.
I also like that I can dip with the 306. I put a mixture of a few drops of a couple different juices into a carto condom and then dip the exposed 306 coil in and BAM! It's a great way to test out flavor mixtures.
Debridge a Cisco? Huh? Why? Huh why? Huh huh why? No way. No need too. Once you get the hang of it, dripping is awesome.
I'm Basilray, and I'm a de-bridger. I only bottom-feed or drip, so the wick is the first thing to go. The Mesh over the bridge often retains juice that would otherwise go straight onto the coil, where I want it to be. I've been feeling lately like removing the bridge will lead to a bit more leakage than leaving it in, but it still performs better for me w/o it.
When it comes to removing the bridge/mesh/wick on a 306, it's not any different than doing on a 510. It's just easier since it's exposed. You still want to be careful you don't accidentally bump the coil while doing it. Removing it on a 306 gets it out of the way. I found that with the 306, leaving it on caused the juice to run to the sides of the atty, and not onto the coil as well. I didn't experience any real extra leakage with the 306 after de-bridging.
It is definitely a "to each his own" approach, but as for me, I gut that stuff out before I even put it on a device!
I thought Eastmall LR's were as good as it got...until I got the Cisco LR's in. I'm currently testing the 801 and 901 as part of my VapeTV show. The 306 is a throat hit machine. The 510 gives much better flavor for me than the 306. The jury is still out on the 801 and 901.
Thanks for the replies.
Just wanna say I meant nothing bad towards the Cisco 306. It was working great. I'm just the type who needs to mess with things. I watched a YouTube video of someone debridging a 306 (although it was a high voltage one), reattaching it to their mod, and getting good vapor and what he claimed to be better flavor. So although I was perfectly happy with my LR 306, I thought what the heck, I'll try it.
I did try blowing through the drip tip whenever it puddled up. It worked to an extent, but also forced fluid to leak out the sides. So for the last few days I found myself always either removing the tip to clear it out, or removing it to drip directly on and under the bridge, and I realized dripping shouldn't be this much of a hassle. Everyone else drips and goes. I was sick of the on-and-off ordeal with the tip, and that's what got me thinking of getting the bridge out of the way. The juice I use is 80/20, I always get VG and PG mixed up, but whichever way, I ordered the standard ratio from my vendor, so I don't think I'm usually anything exceptionally thick.
See... what basilray said makes sense to me on paper. I use mine for dripping and I started to feel like the bridge was just obstructing the coil and I might as well move it out of the way. But now that I've removed it, I'm noticing the same thing I experienced when I debridged a magma 510, actually getting LESS vapor and flavor. I've adjusted to dripping only 1 or 2 drops now that there is no mesh or bridge to hold some of the juice, and the vapor level has picked up again now that I don't flood it, but the strange thing is still that the flavor is much less noticeable than it was before. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, it's the same juice, the coil is still vaporizing it, why on earth would not having the bridge in there actually blunt the flavor.
So again, as far as "debridge a 306, why?!". No good reason honestly. It was doing just fine. I'm familiar with the initial priming of 4-6 drops, vape, and then continue on with 2-3 drops as maintenance. That method worked fine. I was easily able to blow out the atty, reprime with a different flavor, and keep on going. There was no motivating factor in deciding to mess with it, the performance wasn't dropping off or anything, I had just always heard of removing the bridge as being an "upgrade". But in my two experiences with it, I'm getting sub-par results. I've very careful during the process and the coils should not be damaged, the 510 I debridged can still turn red hot when I dry burn it, and the 306 still appears to function although I do not perform dry burns on this low res atty, so I can't verify that completely. Both both coils are definitely still in tact and should not have been bumped during the process.
So from now on I just need to silence that tinkering voice in my head, I keep wanting to modify things but my results haven't been so great. And now with the holidays it'll be a while before I can a new 306 in the mail. Darn.
Just wanna say I meant nothing bad towards the Cisco 306. It was working great. I'm just the type who needs to mess with things. I watched a YouTube video of someone debridging a 306 (although it was a high voltage one), reattaching it to their mod, and getting good vapor and what he claimed to be better flavor. So although I was perfectly happy with my LR 306, I thought what the heck, I'll try it.
I did try blowing through the drip tip whenever it puddled up. It worked to an extent, but also forced fluid to leak out the sides. So for the last few days I found myself always either removing the tip to clear it out, or removing it to drip directly on and under the bridge, and I realized dripping shouldn't be this much of a hassle. Everyone else drips and goes. I was sick of the on-and-off ordeal with the tip, and that's what got me thinking of getting the bridge out of the way. The juice I use is 80/20, I always get VG and PG mixed up, but whichever way, I ordered the standard ratio from my vendor, so I don't think I'm usually anything exceptionally thick.
See... what basilray said makes sense to me on paper. I use mine for dripping and I started to feel like the bridge was just obstructing the coil and I might as well move it out of the way. But now that I've removed it, I'm noticing the same thing I experienced when I debridged a magma 510, actually getting LESS vapor and flavor. I've adjusted to dripping only 1 or 2 drops now that there is no mesh or bridge to hold some of the juice, and the vapor level has picked up again now that I don't flood it, but the strange thing is still that the flavor is much less noticeable than it was before. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, it's the same juice, the coil is still vaporizing it, why on earth would not having the bridge in there actually blunt the flavor.
So again, as far as "debridge a 306, why?!". No good reason honestly. It was doing just fine. I'm familiar with the initial priming of 4-6 drops, vape, and then continue on with 2-3 drops as maintenance. That method worked fine. I was easily able to blow out the atty, reprime with a different flavor, and keep on going. There was no motivating factor in deciding to mess with it, the performance wasn't dropping off or anything, I had just always heard of removing the bridge as being an "upgrade". But in my two experiences with it, I'm getting sub-par results. I've very careful during the process and the coils should not be damaged, the 510 I debridged can still turn red hot when I dry burn it, and the 306 still appears to function although I do not perform dry burns on this low res atty, so I can't verify that completely. Both both coils are definitely still in tact and should not have been bumped during the process.
So from now on I just need to silence that tinkering voice in my head, I keep wanting to modify things but my results haven't been so great. And now with the holidays it'll be a while before I can a new 306 in the mail. Darn.
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I also had the liquid flowing out the sides when i first started doing it. I was blowing too much. Don't use your lungs to blow out the air, just use the air in your mouth. Kind of like the opposite of a mouth inhale. I prefer not to debridge LR attys primarily because i dont use a juice-fed mod and I think taking the wick and bridge out lowers the capacity of the liquid in the atomizer. I also think LR heat up way too much when debridged. I popped 2 from heavy vaping when they were debridged and dewicked. I've not popped 1 atty where I left the bridge and wick on. I think de-bridged and dewicked attys do have slighty better flavor TH and vapor but its subjective. Here's my breakdown of the difference between a debridge and dewicked atty
dewicked and debridged 510:
on average (unless dry) should be dropping more than 2 drops. The first hit always tastes a little "wet" and kind of wierd to me. the next 2 or 3 are great and have better TH, flavor, and vapor than an atty with the bridge and wick in but then the next 2 (if you get 2 more drags) are weak.
510 with wick and bridge in place:
about 3-4 or twice as much juice as the debridge and dewicked atty. Every one of the 5-10 drags (depending on the volume of your inhale) is pretty consistent and better than the first or last couple drags on the dewicked an debridge atty.
Another thing I've noticed, is that when I'm dripping and driving
sometimes I will accidentally drop and extra drop or 2. On an atty with the wick and bridge in place, it's not as big of a deal and doesn't flood as much as long as I can vape it up quickly. On an atty without the wick or bridge it will be an instant mess. Also, a lot of people don't like the wicks because they think they burn. I have yet to see a wick that will burn and the material used in the wick (cant remember name of it) has no melting point. I'm pretty sure if I was able to hold an open flame on the wick for over 5 minutes and there was no burning it wouldn't burn from the coil which is significantly cooler and without an open flame.
Cisco LR 510's are pretty awesome. I like the joye lr 510s, but the cisco's definitely kick a little more. I've found that if you occasionally run a rolled up piece of paper towel through the drip tip to clean it, juice doesn't get stuck in there as often. Usually a quick blow or two across the top of the dip tip does the trick. For some reason, I actually find I get less "juice bubbles" in my 306 tip than with any of my 510 tips.
Silica threads. Their working temperature is 1150 deg C but can be used with higher temperatures for shorter periods of time. In an atomizer, I don't think you have to worry about those temperatures
It's also used for thermal insulation, as it's thermal conductivity is very low.
Silica threads. Their working temperature is 1150 deg C but can be used with higher temperatures for shorter periods of time. In an atomizer, I don't think you have to worry about those temperatures
It's also used for thermal insulation, as it's thermal conductivity is very low.
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