Diabetes & Vaping

[mwa102464]

Thanks Jplanet, I try to stay in shape and eat healthy, but that's why this is a bit scary, dam I love to vape and I'm not quitting that, I've quit everything else so this ones staying even if I had to go OMG it's staying. On the flip side it's great hearing what everybody else's side effects are if any, thank you for your input Jplanet

 

[mark40511]

Nicotine raises blood sugar? Really? That's interesting. I've heard that coffee drinkers run less risk of getting diabetes for some reason. I can't remember where I read that. I know caffeine, like nicotine, is a stimulant. I'm not sure if it's the caffeine in coffee that helped though; perhaps something else.

 

[AngusATAT]

Nicotine raises blood sugar? Really? That's interesting. I've heard that coffee drinkers run less risk of getting diabetes for some reason. I can't remember where I read that. I know caffeine, like nicotine, is a stimulant. I'm not sure if it's the caffeine in coffee that helped though; perhaps something else.

It's not the nicotine that does it. It's the PG and VG.

 

[aprioristic]

Check this out, as well as the first link, where it says that 10 min. of whafting produces 200 calories. Now, this is a different device, apparently some sort of crystal released by piezoelectric vibrations or something, so maybe it differs somewhat.

PG is used to keep cattle out of ketosis, or the metabolic stage where one's body is running on fat storage. My suspicion is that VG is worse in this regard. Triacetin is plenty safe and seems to be mildly beneficial to metabolism based on this study. It was also something considered as food for astronauts on long missions, and said that people can get up to half of their diet in it. From what I have heard though, this has been a bust for vaping. I still haven't even tried mine I bought a couple months ago, but I am going to be pretty soon.

There is research that seems to point to the fact that even non-sugar sweeteners affect blood sugar levels. I don't have problems with my weight or diabetes, but I know someone pretty well who was a big dude, like 6'3" and 260 who lost a considerable amount of weight on this version of the paleo diet. There's stories on there from people who have been cured of Type2 just by eating properly. It's a little hard to adapt to eating strictly this way, so I cheat, but it is fairly doable and I suggest it for those of you with problems.

 

[VprNomi]

I'm a type I diabetic on an insulin pump. Being on a pump requires testing blood sugar quite often (4-10x a day, depending on how often I'm eating/snacking). There has been absolutely ZERO effect on my blood sugar levels both going from smoking to vaping 6-12mg nicotine and then dropping down to zero nicotine.

 

[jplanet]

It's not the nicotine that does it. It's the PG and VG.

Please show me where you got that information - from what I know, that's not true, it is shown that nicotine clearly raises blood sugar levels. Here is one of just thousands of articles on the subject: Nicotine induces prediabetes, likely contributes to high prevalence of heart disease in smokers

Just Google nicotine and Blood Sugar and you'll have an encyclopedia's worth of articles on the topic.

For those who don't see a change in blood glucose levels, note that everyone will have differences in how well their metabolism can adapt to the change. When waking up in the morning is probably when your nic level is the lowest, but the Dawn Phenomenon causes most diabetics to have a rise in glucose when they first wake up, so it would be hard to tell what the effect is unless you went to 0 nic for a day or two and then did some 24mg juice...

Sometimes other medications, such as anti-depressants, can lower the effects of nicotine absorption. Also, vaping nicotine is a slower absorption process, so there is probably less spiking than there would be with cigarettes. Also note that nicotine effects other things for diabetics other than blood sugar that are dangerous, such as constricting blood vessels...

 

[VprNomi]

Great post, JPlanet.

It's so true that individual body responses vary. There are a multitude of factors at play, including everything you mentioned & surely many others as well. Nobody metabolizes any substance exactly like somebody else.

For example, many diabetics say that the "worst" food, as far as what makes their blood sugar go wild, is pizza. My body metabolizes pizza just fine, without crazy blood sugars. However, macaroni & cheese makes my blood sugar go out of control (for up to 2 days afterward). I also get worse blood sugar spikes from potatoes than pure sugar.

The point is, while neither vaping nor nicotine seems to have any effect on my blood sugars at all, that isn't to say that either or both won't affect somebody else differently.

Please show me where you got that information - from what I know, that's not true, it is shown that nicotine clearly raises blood sugar levels. Here is one of just thousands of articles on the subject: Nicotine induces prediabetes, likely contributes to high prevalence of heart disease in smokers

Just Google nicotine and Blood Sugar and you'll have an encyclopedia's worth of articles on the topic.

For those who don't see a change in blood glucose levels, note that everyone will have differences in how well their metabolism can adapt to the change. When waking up in the morning is probably when your nic level is the lowest, but the Dawn Phenomenon causes most diabetics to have a rise in glucose when they first wake up, so it would be hard to tell what the effect is unless you went to 0 nic for a day or two and then did some 24mg juice...

Sometimes other medications, such as anti-depressants, can lower the effects of nicotine absorption. Also, vaping nicotine is a slower absorption process, so there is probably less spiking than there would be with cigarettes. Also note that nicotine effects other things for diabetics other than blood sugar that are dangerous, such as constricting blood vessels...

 

[gramakittycat]

Type 2 here NO family history just out of the blue diagnosed in 2003 Insulin resistant,metformin,lantus 120units daily with regular for sliding scale coverage.average bg 240 - 350 and up to the low 500's without symptoms!!! Frequent Bg checks ,AM fasting often in the mid 200's.I notice no change when vaping though i am a most atypical diabetic.

 

[jplanet]

Yikes, 350-500 usually calls for a trip to the emergency room! I though all diabetics were supposed to maintain bg between 100-200, with it being lower than 100 in the AM?

 

[gramakittycat]

Yikes, 350-500 usually calls for a trip to the emergency room! I though all diabetics were supposed to maintain bg between 100-200, with it being lower than 100 in the AM?

You are right on all counts but for some unknown reason I am a very atypical diabetic and though my primary MD has sent me to specialists their heads are still shaking over me and my virtually non responsive diabeties.The one and only time I actually was symptomatic( very lethargic but still responsive and able to walk into the ER unaided) Because I did feel so sleepy i checked my blood sugar and it only read HI which on my meter means greater than 600 unable to read result.Now they ran a liter of 0.9 normal saline gave me NO insulin and in about 3 hours my bs was 329 so they sent me home!(don't ya love er's LOL) I am over weight 5'5'' and 220 lbs. so not overly so but I am looking into some of the weight lose procedures that have helped in diabetes.I have a number of physical problems so other than diet ( I watch pretty well ) there are'nt exersizes that I can do.So I do the best I can and pray that the insulin my body does produce kicks in one day .Sorry for hijacking this thread the topic is diabeties as it pertains to vaping and the effects but thanks everyone for listening.

 

[AngusATAT]

Please show me where you got that information - from what I know, that's not true, it is shown that nicotine clearly raises blood sugar levels. Here is one of just thousands of articles on the subject: Nicotine induces prediabetes, likely contributes to high prevalence of heart disease in smokers

I got that information via my own experience with vaping, both with nicotine and without, and checking my blood sugar before and after, over the course of more than a year.

 

[TJVapes]

I remember reading a thread on here about a guy who was basically overdosing on the Ethyl Maltol that he was putting in his vape juice. Apparently it did raise his blood sugar significantly (He and his doctor discussed vaping and EM and found it to be the culprit) and he was able to bring it back under control by removing the ethyl maltol and/or using it at a reasonable amount. Apparently the absorption rate is more effective when inhaling as opposed to digesting.

 

[Lisa B]

Everyone is different, Angus has a problem with his glucose levels with vaping and I don't but my FIL used to eat no sugar added ice cream all the time with no problem, I can't touch it or my sugar jumps. Diabetes can be different as everyone is that has it.

 

[AngusATAT]

Everyone is different, Angus has a problem with his glucose levels with vaping and I don't but my FIL used to eat no sugar added ice cream all the time with no problem, I can't touch it or my sugar jumps. Diabetes can be different as everyone is that has it.

Actually, as explained above, I don't have a problem with it. I have never suffered any ill effects from vaping. For me, even though my blood sugar levels show as elevated after vaping, I've never once felt like my blood sugar was high, like I would with the same numbers before I was vaping.

 

[Lisa B]

Well that's good, as long as you feel good and your doctor is happy with it there is no real reason for concern.

 

[AngusATAT]

Well that's good, as long as you feel good and your doctor is happy with it there is no real reason for concern.

That's exactly how I feel about it.

 

[Airbrusher]

I had to watch my bs for a while. I have an auto immune disease very similar to Lupus, except the only thing really that was attacked was my liver. No reason or rhyme why and no family history. I was on high doses of predisone for nearly 2 years and gradually lowered the dosage to reset my immune system. It mostly worked LOL. I am on less harmful meds for the long term (read life) now. When I was lowering my dosage my bs went ALL over the place. I went from diabetic to hypoglycemic nd back again.
My doc's were keen on me getting off cigarettes and were very happy to see me using a pv now. I am lowering my nic lvls now too because I was left with pretty high blood pressure which I take meds for now too. When I started vaping I was at the highest nic lvl I could buy and I feel that was the catalyst for getting me off the cigs. At the same time I could sit calmly in my chair and feel my whole body move with each heart beat, my wife could physically see it happen too. Was pretty scary for a short while till the nic lvl's came down. Still have a moderately high bp but the nic levels are coming down still.
During all this my bs seemed to lvl out and now I am in the normal ranges.

AB

 

[simply me]

I'm also diabetic type 2. My blood sugar has never gone up. I've been vaping for a year in march. The best thing i have ever done for my health. My doctor is all for the e-cig.

 

[henbone11]

fantastic info all, thank you. I smoked for 20 years and knew that it wasnt great for diabetes but I had my worries with vaping. I know there has to be some kind of sweetner in the juice but after reading that those who have been vaping for months with no elevated levels, great news.

 

[SweetPuff]

Thanks to all of you for posting! It helps a lot to read about other vapers' experiences.

I've been vaping a bit over 3 months, went from 18mg down to 12mg w/ the occasional 6mg. Vaping 100% PG or high % PG liquids has had very little impact on my blood sugar (BS). However, I recently switched to VG liquid and it sent my BS through the roof! I didn't make the connection at first, and couldn't figure out what was going on...it was very scary. Finally it dawned on me that the vaping VG was the only change in life...so stopped the VG, went back to PG, and w/in 24 hours...levels were back to normal.

Not sure if the stevia in some of the VG liquids could have also contributed to the problem as well? Anyhow, even though some people try to say VG has no BS impact, but that's not true in my case...it most definitely makes mine skyrocket. We are all so different, and everyone's body reacts differently. Anyone out there encountered spikes with vaping VG or possibly juice sweetened w/ stevia?