DIY Liquid questions..

[scottevil]

Ok, so I've been lurking here for about a year now and I've been vaping for a while. Still was hitting the analogs here and there until about a week ago, so I'm analog free at this particular moment in time *yay*

anyway. I started mixing my own liquid recently and here are the questions I've came up with that I couldn't really find answers for.

1. I have 48mg PG Nicotine base.. if i mix 40% PG Nicotine, dilute with 50% VG and add 10% flavor, does this make what some websites call a 50/50 PG/VG mix?

2. What if i got VG Nicotine and dilute with PG, same thing as above?

3. can i dilute the VG with water or alcohol? If so, why would i do that?

4. What's the best way for testing, dripping directly onto the atty i suppose, if that's the case, is cleaning with some compressed air good between tests? How do you get all of the old flavor out?

5. what can you use to dilute flavors, for example this "Vanilla Butternut" from LorAnn is sooo thick, i like the flavor, but it should be diluted a bit i suppose.

6. I've also noticed that i'm not getting quite the vapor production i see when using, for example, TW liquid. What causes the liquid to produce more vapor?



Sorry, I can't post this in the DIY section, forum rules for newbies are strict around here. Maybe this can be moved?


Thanks!

 

[SimpleSins]

You've got your five posts so you can go to DIY now for the best chance of a complete answer. I think whether that's a 50/50 juice depends on what the flavors are suspended in. VG can be cut with either PGA or water (distilled preferred) and it is sometimes done because the VG can be really thick. As for the flavors and their thickness and/or strength, they dilute in the juice so unless you are making a very very small batch or like your favors very light, it usually is not necessary to dilute them.

 

[scottevil]

ha, that _was_ my fifth post.. so i hate to repost it in DIY.. hopefully a mod sees this and moves it for me.

[edit] it appears i still can't make new threads in DIY.. bew [/edit]

What you said doesn't really make much sense, i guess a better way to approach the question is: What exactly is a 50/50 PG/VG mix?

 

[Kgrin]

Here try this a calculator that should give you the percentage when you put in your info..

e-Juice Calculator | ecigexpress

 

[scottevil]

Here try this a calculator that should give you the percentage when you put in your info..

thanks that calculator is way better than the one i've been using, www dot todmuller dot com/ejuice/ejuice.php

 

[ChuckB]

I am probably not correct on this, but for my own juices I don't really think of the flavoring and nic as part of the PG/VG mix. I calculate the amount of flavor and nic I need to make the overall volume that I'm making and do the PG/VG mix to make up the difference. For example:

This would be a 70/30% mix of PG/VG by my way of thinking:
for 30ml total juice (5mg Vanilla)
3ml Flavoring (McCormicks imitation clear Vanilla)
3ml Nic ( eXtremeVaping 50mg PG nic)
16.8 ml PG
7.2 ml VG

When I created that recipe I deducted the flavoring and nic from the total and got 24ml. I took 24 x 70% to get the 16.8ml of PG and 24 x 30% to get the 7.2ml VG.

The reason to dilute anything that contains VG is to thin it down so it wicks better. Personally I don't think it needs to be thinned until you get to about 50%, but the filling in your carts may say differently. When I do dilute mixes I use 151 rum because it also gives a little of the throat hit back that VG softens. The VG is great for vapor and adds a little sweetness to most juices but it also softens the flavor and the throat hit. Finding the balance between PG and VG is trial and error and mostly a personal taste issue. After mixing up a new batch of juice I also like to let it set for at least 24 hours before I start using it so it has time to blend together better.

 

[tearocks]

3. You can use either water or alcohol (I use vodka). Adding water to my sambuca mix made it go cloudy. VG is quite viscous (syrupy) so adding water or alcohol thins it out and makes it flow and vape more easily.

5. PG or VG can dilute the flavour, as well as water or alcohol. Don't use the flavours with sugar or oils in them as they will damage your atty.

Excuse the u in flavour - I'm Australian.

Good luck.

 

[scottevil]

I am probably not correct on this, but for my own juices I don't really think of the flavoring and nic as part of the PG/VG mix. I calculate the amount of flavor and nic I need to make the overall volume that I'm making and do the PG/VG mix to make up the difference. For example:

This would be a 70/30% mix of PG/VG by my way of thinking:
for 30ml total juice (5mg Vanilla)
3ml Flavoring (McCormicks imitation clear Vanilla)
3ml Nic ( eXtremeVaping 50mg PG nic)
16.8 ml PG
7.2 ml VG

When I created that recipe I deducted the flavoring and nic from the total and got 24ml. I took 24 x 70% to get the 16.8ml of PG and 24 x 30% to get the 7.2ml VG.

The reason to dilute anything that contains VG is to thin it down so it wicks better. Personally I don't think it needs to be thinned until you get to about 50%, but the filling in your carts may say differently. When I do dilute mixes I use 151 rum because it also gives a little of the throat hit back that VG softens. The VG is great for vapor and adds a little sweetness to most juices but it also softens the flavor and the throat hit. Finding the balance between PG and VG is trial and error and mostly a personal taste issue. After mixing up a new batch of juice I also like to let it set for at least 24 hours before I start using it so it has time to blend together better.

quite true, i just made a batch and excluded the flavoring from it, 50% PG nic, 50% VG to dilute, then 20% flavoring on top (raspberry)

it hits well, got throat hit and massive vapor.

good tips.. i'm going to get some 151 just to try out your theory or idea rather, sounds like a good one

My wife and I both noticed the amount of sweetness VG added, and we love it.. so i think it's VG from now on.. just gotta find the right mixture as to not clog up the attys too much.

3. You can use either water or alcohol (I use vodka). Adding water to my sambuca mix made it go cloudy. VG is quite viscous (syrupy) so adding water or alcohol thins it out and makes it flow and vape more easily.

5. PG or VG can dilute the flavour, as well as water or alcohol. Don't use the flavours with sugar or oils in them as they will damage your atty.

Excuse the u in flavour - I'm Australian.

Good luck.

it would be nice if the flavors showed on their label if they had sugar.. at least non of my lorann flavors do :x

 

[Nikhil]

First thing you need to do is read all the stickies in the DIY subforum.

1. I have 48mg PG Nicotine base.. if i mix 40% PG Nicotine, dilute with 50% VG and add 10% flavor, does this make what some websites call a 50/50 PG/VG mix?

- Not really, as far as I know commercial sites give their base ratio, meaning without including the PG in the flavoring (although not all flavorings are PG-based). Your method really gives 44/56 PG/VG base but the final solution is really 50/50 if your flavoring is PG-based.

2. What if i got VG Nicotine and dilute with PG, same thing as above?

-No, you get 56/44 PG/VG base and 60/40 final solution, if your flavoring is PG-based.

3. can i dilute the VG with water or alcohol? If so, why would i do that?

-Yes, to reduce viscosity. Read post 3 of my guide.

4. What's the best way for testing, dripping directly onto the atty i suppose, if that's the case, is cleaning with some compressed air good between tests? How do you get all of the old flavor out?

-Compressed air is bad, never use it. Clean them like you normally would. Isopropyl alcohol is great, just make sure it evaporates before using the atty again.

5. what can you use to dilute flavors, for example this "Vanilla Butternut" from LorAnn is sooo thick, i like the flavor, but it should be diluted a bit i suppose.

-See #3.

6. I've also noticed that i'm not getting quite the vapor production i see when using, for example, TW liquid. What causes the liquid to produce more vapor?

-Your imagination? I've never had more vapor in a commercial liquid than DIY, mostly because I always use at least 20% VG. Higher voltage is better for vapor, and also for VG because it has a higher vaporization point. Dilute the VG with a little water and it might vaporize better if you don't have higher voltage access.

 

[scottevil]

First thing you need to do is read all the stickies in the DIY subforum.

1. I have 48mg PG Nicotine base.. if i mix 40% PG Nicotine, dilute with 50% VG and add 10% flavor, does this make what some websites call a 50/50 PG/VG mix?

- Not really, as far as I know commercial sites give their base ratio, meaning without including the PG in the flavoring (although not all flavorings are PG-based). Your method really gives 44/56 PG/VG base but the final solution is really 50/50 if your flavoring is PG-based.

2. What if i got VG Nicotine and dilute with PG, same thing as above?

-No, you get 56/44 PG/VG base and 60/40 final solution, if your flavoring is PG-based.

3. can i dilute the VG with water or alcohol? If so, why would i do that?

-Yes, to reduce viscosity. Read post 3 of my guide.

4. What's the best way for testing, dripping directly onto the atty i suppose, if that's the case, is cleaning with some compressed air good between tests? How do you get all of the old flavor out?

-Compressed air is bad, never use it. Clean them like you normally would. Isopropyl alcohol is great, just make sure it evaporates before using the atty again.

5. what can you use to dilute flavors, for example this "Vanilla Butternut" from LorAnn is sooo thick, i like the flavor, but it should be diluted a bit i suppose.

-See #3.

6. I've also noticed that i'm not getting quite the vapor production i see when using, for example, TW liquid. What causes the liquid to produce more vapor?

-Your imagination? I've never had more vapor in a commercial liquid than DIY, mostly because I always use at least 20% VG. Higher voltage is better for vapor, and also for VG because it has a higher vaporization point. Dilute the VG with a little water and it might vaporize better if you don't have higher voltage access.

tytytytyty.. perfect answers to my questions.

I have read all the stickies, but as i am slightly new to this mixing.. it's a lot of data to sift through.

my imagination was a result of a bad atty.. got it two days ago.. burned out, not typical for me tho, i usually keep attys for a long while before they go bad. Honestly.. i just figured it out tho, like 2 minutes ago

but always adding at least 20% VG is a good tip also, i was doing 100% PG at first (besides what the flavor was)

 

[Para]

Here try this a calculator that should give you the percentage when you put in your info..

e-Juice Calculator | ecigexpress

Thanks for the link! I've done a forum search for this question, but guess I'm not entering the correct terminology:

I've got 36mg Juice and want to "dilute" it so the nicotine level is reduced to 12mg. Is there a calculator/formula that will tell me what to add and how much?

TIA

 

[tearocks]

To get to 12mg from 36mg mix 1 part nic juice to 2 parts VG/PG/Flavour
eg. 5ml nic juice + 8ml VG/PG + 2ml flavour = 15ml of 12mg juice

The amounts of flavour and PG/VG will vary depending on your taste. Just make sure you add twice as much liquid to the 36mg and you will get 12mg. VG is pretty thick so you may need to add Vodka/Water to thin it out a bit. Allow for this in the "twice as much" volume.

Good luck.

 

[Para]

To get to 12mg from 36mg mix 1 part nic juice to 2 parts VG/PG/Flavour
eg. 5ml nic juice + 8ml VG/PG + 2ml flavour = 15ml of 12mg juice

The amounts of flavour and PG/VG will vary depending on your taste. Just make sure you add twice as much liquid to the 36mg and you will get 12mg. VG is pretty thick so you may need to add Vodka/Water to thin it out a bit. Allow for this in the "twice as much" volume.

Good luck.

Appreciate the response.....but I think I've not used the correct terms (want to make sure before I start mixing).

I have 60ml 100% VG 36mg nicotine juice and want to make it 100% VG 12mg nicotine juice. Do I just add add'l VG?....and how much?

Thanks again for the help

 

[scottevil]

Appreciate the response.....but I think I've not used the correct terms (want to make sure before I start mixing).

I have 60ml 100% VG 36mg nicotine juice and want to make it 100% VG 12mg nicotine juice. Do I just add add'l VG?....and how much?

Thanks again for the help

If you wanted to turn that 60ml bottle of 36mg into 100% VG 12mg you would do 60ml 36mg VG and add 120ml add'l non-nicotine VG to dilute it, this would make 180ml of 12mg unflavored. Most flavors I've found are mixed with PG, so if you added flavor it wouldn't be 100% VG any longer.

for example if you wanted it to have 15% flavor added, it would make a 85% VG 15% PG mix