DIY organic is it possible?

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justin.schmidt23

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yes I know anything Is possible but is it actually possible to make a organic ejuice? I'm new to vaping but my wife gets stupid sick when my neighbor comes over and he's vaping. I think it's an allergic reaction to something so I'm gonna try some virgin vapor. but at 20 buck for 30 ml will add up. so, can you make an organic eliquid?
 

justin.schmidt23

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I personally think it's a mental thing. mainly cause she got sick and started reading up on ingredients so that freaked her out. cause some manufacturers don't list what's in the juice and it's not regulated and blah blah blah. so I figured if it's organic, she's not allergic to anything, no reason to get sick. simple solution just not a cheap one.
 

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You could also try vaping unflavored and see if that takes care of the issue. Then add in your own organic flavors and see if you can find some that don't bother her. Do you know specifically what flavor the neighbor was vaping?
I mentioned that to her she said it wasn't the smell but the "chemicals" in the smoke. that's why I'm going to organic cause there's no reason natural ingredients like that should mess with her.
 

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Hi Justin and welcome!

I see by your profile page and intro post that you are new both to the ECF forum and vaping as well; so again welcome! :thumbs:

I applaud your desire to get off the stinkies and wish you success. I also respect your desire to be as inoffensive to your wife as you can... always a good idea! :D

However...

Organics as a panacea is fraught with potential problems. I do not understand them myself so I will not try to explain them to you as I would most likely miss-state/misrepresent the facts. I will only say that the problems can be broken down into two very broad, or generic, categories.

The first is known, and unknown, health risks from vaping flavors from organic extracts. It is a known fact that organic extracts can contain large biomolecules, sugars, proteins, and lipids (particularly harmful), that are perfectly fine for eating and drinking but are NOT OK to inhale/vape.

To educate your self (and your wife?) I would first do a search here on ECF for discussions on "organic." We also have a terrific resource by way of member @Kurt who is a Professor of Chemistry at a university in Pennsylvanian. So you could do a search like this to find some of his thoughts on the subject. He is also very responsive to private messages ("Conversations" found in your "Inbox" tab at the top right of every page) and would probably do his best to answer any specific questions you have.

Then you might do a google search for "organic e-liquid" and "organic e-juice" and read articles that crop up from that.

The second group of problems can fall under the category of false or misleading labeling.

There is a lot of debate as to what is "organic" relative to vaping (there are no regulated standards that apply to e-liquids). That is a whole kettle of worms I won't even dip my toe into. You will need to figure out your own personal definition and then probably have to query each potential vendor individually as to whether they meet your criteria.

If you are looking at "organic" from more of a placebo standpoint (to offer peace of mind to your wife) then you have a wider margin of wiggle room. It does not negate the potential health risks to you but it may pacify her. As you increase your understanding of what is (and isn't) in your chosen e-liquid it may help if she understands too.

The last thing I would put on your To-Do list is to start educating yourself on what is going on with the new Deeming Regulations recently placed by the FDA (lots of good threads here on ECF). Government interference is no longer just the boogeyman under the bed but now a reality. And the first effects are going to start as early as this August! And, if left unchanged, will totally change the face of vaping in another two years.

I mention this as it will have huge effect on e-liquid manufactures. So simply finding one today does not mean it will necessarily be there down the road. So when you are speaking with your potential vendors/manufacturers to see exactly what they are calling organic; you might also ask "what (if anything) they are doing with regards to the deeming regs?".

Wow! I'm really sounding like a Negative Nancy! Sorry about that. :oops: Vaping really does work and it is worth the effort. But it does take effort (more so now than ever).

There are a lot of good folks here who are happy to help you along your journey. Do your part and try a few simple searches first, and if you can't find the answers, or still have questions, then ask. Remember too, that there are almost as many ways to vape as there are vapers, so it is important to find what works for you.

I truly wish you the best of luck! :D :toast:
 

justin.schmidt23

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Hi Justin and welcome!

I see by your profile page and intro post that you are new both to the ECF forum and vaping as well; so again welcome! :thumbs:

I applaud your desire to get off the stinkies and wish you success. I also respect your desire to be as inoffensive to your wife as you can... always a good idea! :D

However...

Organics as a panacea is fraught with potential problems. I do not understand them myself so I will not try to explain them to you as I would most likely miss-state/misrepresent the facts. I will only say that the problems can be broken down into two very broad, or generic, categories.

The first is known, and unknown, health risks from vaping flavors from organic extracts. It is a known fact that organic extracts can contain large biomolecules, sugars, proteins, and lipids (particularly harmful), that are perfectly fine for eating and drinking but are NOT OK to inhale/vape.

To educate your self (and your wife?) I would first do a search here on ECF for discussions on "organic." We also have a terrific resource by way of member @Kurt who is a Professor of Chemistry at a university in Pennsylvanian. So you could do a search like this to find some of his thoughts on the subject. He is also very responsive to private messages ("Conversations" found in your "Inbox" tab at the top right of every page) and would probably do his best to answer any specific questions you have.

Then you might do a google search for "organic e-liquid" and "organic e-juice" and read articles that crop up from that.

The second group of problems can fall under the category of false or misleading labeling.

There is a lot of debate as to what is "organic" relative to vaping (there are no regulated standards that apply to e-liquids). That is a whole kettle of worms I won't even dip my toe into. You will need to figure out your own personal definition and then probably have to query each potential vendor individually as to whether they meet your criteria.

If you are looking at "organic" from more of a placebo standpoint (to offer peace of mind to your wife) then you have a wider margin of wiggle room. It does not negate the potential health risks to you but it may pacify her. As you increase your understanding of what is (and isn't) in your chosen e-liquid it may help if she understands too.

The last thing I would put on your To-Do list is to start educating yourself on what is going on with the new Deeming Regulations recently placed by the FDA (lots of good threads here on ECF). Government interference is no longer just the boogeyman under the bed but now a reality. And the first effects are going to start as early as this August! And, if left unchanged, will totally change the face of vaping in another two years.

I mention this as it will have huge effect on e-liquid manufactures. So simply finding one today does not mean it will necessarily be there down the road. So when you are speaking with your potential vendors/manufacturers to see exactly what they are calling organic; you might also ask "what (if anything) they are doing with regards to the deeming regs?".

Wow! I'm really sounding like a Negative Nancy! Sorry about that. :oops: Vaping really does work and it is worth the effort. But it does take effort (more so now than ever).

There are a lot of good folks here who are happy to help you along your journey. Do your part and try a few simple searches first, and if you can't find the answers, or still have questions, then ask. Remember too, that there are almost as many ways to vape as there are vapers, so it is important to find what works for you.

I truly wish you the best of luck! :D :toast:
haha yeah keeping the Mrs happy Is an upmost priority lol
I appreciate the info and thought I'll dig a little deeper into it. I'm gonna go with virgin vapor I've read ALOT OF reviews and no one really has any complain. as long as I can show my wife it's 100%VG and "organic " regardless if it truly is or not I should be safe and good to go in her mind.
Edit to add: honestly the way I look at it ANYTHING ejuice will more than likely be better for me than analogs so I'm not so concerned with health effects for me. as long as it doesn't make her sick and I can continue to vape we will both be happy :)
 
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hell yeah. that will save me on shipping lol
is it really cost effective to make your own juice?
Yes, it is very cost effective to DIY.
Aside from less expense it was required that I do it in the beginning as I had a sensitivity to something in the juices I had. I needed to pinpoint the problem ingredient. Vaped straight VG first for a day then straight PG the next day, no flavours or nic. For me it was VG that was causing me grief.
Once I eliminated VG from my juices I could continue to vape and smoked less.
Without being aware of DIY and experimenting early on I may still be vaping and not smoking but for sure would be living with the puffer in my yap a Lot more. YMMV. Cheers.
 

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    I've hypothesized that second hand smoke can be more nauseating than first-hand, so why not vapor?

    Maybe the fastest way, if you can even experiment at all, would be to compare a small vapor device (less PG, VG, appearance) vs. big clouds, but unflavored. That leaves nic.

    Flavors, if the same as smelling food at a distance, should be similar chemically to smelling that food, as long as not more intense. Of course, they vary greatly. I've noticed blackberry makes me feel weird.
     

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    Can not help you much but will tell you this. I used to love Black Cherry but my wife could not stand the smell. It would make her sick to her stomach. Only flavor that has ever done that to her and we both vape. I have vaped hundreds of flavors around and with her and it only happens with Black Cherry. Perhaps start with a flavorless juice and go from their. (pg/vg and nicotine only.)Best of luck to you. CHEERS!
     
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