DNA 20d - AW 1600 vs AW 2000

[dr g]

I need to offer an AW option for my DNA20 mods, for those AW-holes D ), which would you choose and why? Convince me either way!

Little background, the standard offer would be the Panasonic NCR18650PD. Here are the relevant performance charts I can find:



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This to me indicates the 2000 is the one to go with but maybe I am missing something not having actually tested these batteries.

 

[matador]

If its power your after, the AW 1600mah has a lower internal resistance than the 2000mah making it more capable of pushing 20 watts through a DNA20 regulator. If its longevity your after the NCR18650PD would be the better choice.

 

[DrMA]

what you really want is one of these
Turnigy nano-tech 850mah 4S 25~50C Lipo Pack (USA Warehouse)
You get 4 cells for $9 and they'll outperform any 18650 round LiPo out there bar none.

Sorry, dr g, there's no way the puny round lipos made out of single-layer paper-thin cells rolled up can compete with the multi-layer flat cells made for the purpose of delivering the greatest amount of current possible. The 850mAh I linked above is small enough to fit into a 9V battery case making for a super compact DNA 20D mod. If you want longer runtimes, go with a larger capacity pack, but do get a flat LiPo.

 

[dr g]

If its power your after, the AW 1600mah has a lower internal resistance than the 2000mah making it more capable of pushing 20 watts through a DNA20 regulator. If its longevity your after the NCR18650PD would be the better choice.

Well it's fairly common knowledge about that aspect of AW 1600 vs 2000, but what is the measurable effect of that? Looking at the 5 amp chart, it looks like there is more discharged energy to board cutoff in the 2000 regardless, it simply seems to have more capacity and enough current capacity. This is what I'm asking for, what the actual effects are.

Yes I know the Panasonic is a better choice, that's why it's my default choice, but some people are AWholes.

what you really want is one of these
Turnigy nano-tech 850mah 4S 25~50C Lipo Pack (USA Warehouse)
You get 4 cells for $9 and they'll outperform any 18650 round LiPo out there bar none.

Sorry, dr g, there's no way the puny round lipos made out of single-layer paper-thin cells rolled up can compete with the multi-layer flat cells made for the purpose of delivering the greatest amount of current possible. The 850mAh I linked above is small enough to fit into a 9V battery case making for a super compact DNA 20D mod. If you want longer runtimes, go with a larger capacity pack, but do get a flat LiPo.

As you know, power density isn't the only issue when making mods. While I have no inherent objection to LiPos, some others do for various reasons. More importantly for my application, there is no commonly available lipo in the correct size.

 

[cmacclel]

what you really want is one of these
Turnigy nano-tech 850mah 4S 25~50C Lipo Pack (USA Warehouse)
You get 4 cells for $9 and they'll outperform any 18650 round LiPo out there bar none.

Sorry, dr g, there's no way the puny round lipos made out of single-layer paper-thin cells rolled up can compete with the multi-layer flat cells made for the purpose of delivering the greatest amount of current possible. The 850mAh I linked above is small enough to fit into a 9V battery case making for a super compact DNA 20D mod. If you want longer runtimes, go with a larger capacity pack, but do get a flat LiPo.

You sure those are good cells? I took the advise of people here stating the Nano-Tech round 1200mah cells where good and I think they are JUNK. They get HOT during a 5amp Discharge test they even hit 100f with a fan on them. The AW 18650's barely get warm. I have 3 of them in my DNA20 Box mod and just would of ran 2, 18650's over the Nano's if a new back then what I know now But with 3 in parallel I should be fine.

 

[dr g]

I believe he talked down on the round lipo. His link is to a flat pack. I'm not asking about round lipos or lipos at all. So kindly take this .... out of my thread lol

 

[cmacclel]

I believe he talked down on the round lipo. His link is to a flat pack. I'm not asking about round lipos or lipos at all. So kindly take this .... out of my thread lol

I would just use the Panasonics......there are among the best. If your selling mods then go with what you want and be done with with it

 

[dr g]

hey i want to give people what they want

 

[cmacclel]

hey i want to give people what they want

Learn from someone who did that........ and is done with doing it in the future.

This one is supposed to be better than the AW

HID Battery Samsung 20A 18650 20R INR18650 20R 2000mAh 3 6V Li ion Rechargeable | eBay

20 Amp Test

 

[dr g]

No, it's aw or nothing. This is not an interbrand decision and it's for a specific use (DNA 20).

Edit: I guess I could discuss a little about why ... AW seems to be the only brand of battery that has enough cachet on its own to be make or break for a buyer of an internal-battery mod. Every other brand is reliant on its performance reputation, and while AW has developed its reputation because of its performance, IMO it now has value in the name itself.

 

[cmacclel]

No, it's aw or nothing. This is not an interbrand decision and it's for a specific use (DNA 20)

Your right give people what they want...................not the best suited for your product


And I see you edited your post.........I have been working with AW Cells for YEARS....before Vaping was even remotely popular. I've never had a big brand name like Samsung, LG, or Panasonic fail......yes they loose capacity over time but as for the AW's they FAIL. I have 2,3,4 of every AW cell since he started marketing cells and so far after they hit a couple years old most of them are junk (Want to see Graphs . Yes they charge to 4.2v but as soon as soon as you put a load on the them they go flat.


I recommend AW cells in all the Flashlights I have made over the past 5 years (Hundreds) and customers E-Mail me all the time with "I think the light is broken" 99% off the time the AW battery has reached it's End of Life.

 

[dr g]

Well best suited is subjective ... some people just demand AW. (see my edit to the last post if you haven't)

This is a difficult decision because I personally would not buy AW 2000s but I think they would perform better than the 1600s in the mod.

 

[cmacclel]

Well best suited is subjective ... some people just demand AW. (see my edit to the last post if you haven't)

This is a difficult decision because I personally would not buy AW 2000s but I think they would perform better than the 1600s in the mod.

I fully understand where your coming from. If people are demanding AW's cell's then they probably know exactly which one they want (1600ma or 2000ma) keep a couple of each in stock

 

[dr g]

dammit. why you gotta give that answer? lol

 

[dr g]

well i did order both types

 

[bapgood]

IMHO opinion both are good choices depending on the application. Depending on the wattage a person is vaping at a 1600 could outlast a 2000 or the opposite.

Personally I would never build/buy a mod with a internal fixed round cell.

 

[dr g]

IMHO opinion both are good choices depending on the application. Depending on the wattage a person is vaping at a 1600 could outlast a 2000 or the opposite.

We're dealing with a fixed range of wattages, where's the break-even point?

Personally I would never build/buy a mod with a internal fixed round cell.

Would you buy one with a fixed lipo?

 

[bapgood]

We're dealing with a fixed range of wattages, where's the break-even point?

That is something that each user will have to determine based on their setup.

Would you buy one with a fixed lipo?

Probably, if I knew and liked what the brand and specs of the lipo were....also the design and etc, so you don't have screws or etc possibly causing issues.


In reality I will probably never buy a DNA20 mod, just because I like building them.

 

[dr g]

That is something that each user will have to determine based on their setup.

Ahh you get a pass for that cop out since you're such a busy guy these days

Probably, if I knew and liked what the brand and specs of the lipo were....also the design and etc, so you don't have screws or etc possibly causing issues.

Interesting, what's the reason? I actually find that modern round cells compare quite well with lipos, particularly for 18350 and especially 18650 size and shape, and then you get all the safety features.

 

[bapgood]

Ahh you get a pass for that cop out since you're such a busy guy these days

That was kind of cop out, but its still the truth. Someone will have to do some testing to find the intersection wattage, and I have not done any testing. I do know Mamu has found the 1600 works quite a bit better for her at 15 watts.

Interesting, what's the reason? I actually find that modern round cells compare quite well with lipos, particularly for 18350 and especially 18650 size and shape, and then you get all the safety features.

I will agree good round cells are adequate for there size and shape, plus fairly convenient. However if you want more capacity multiple round cells are no match for size, performance, and capacity that you can get out of quality lipo's. My favorite lipo is my Turnigy Nano-Tech A Spec 6000mah 65c, the foot print is smaller than my iphone5 and about twice as thick.