I just bought a telescopic vape with a mini rda and it really sucks. well maybe I cant blame myself because this is my first time to vape and buy a vape im a cig smoker for 5 years I think but now I switched to vaping. I have a plan to buy an rda the "baal rda" and my concern is what if it will be still the same performance i get from my mini rda because of my telescopic mod. Does Mod has a big factor for cloud chasing?. btw sorry for my english
Does Mod has a big factor for cloud chasing?
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What makes cloud is power radiated from the surface of the coil, in contact with wet wick. You also have to have good airflow. These things are interdependent, the lack of any of them will prevent you from getting big cloud. So yes, the mod makes a difference, but only in that it has to be able to provide sufficient power to heat the build you put in it. The Baal RDA looks like it will be fairly cloudy with a good build and sufficient power. It seems to have a lot of air available. You don't say what kind of telescopic mod you have. If it's a mechanical mod, it's not what I would have chosen for clouds, or for a first time vaper. Regulated mods can make a lot more power, and they are a lot safer. I suspect your lack of cloud is inexperience building more than anything. You don't actually need much more than 30ish watts for decent cloud if you know how to build for it.
A little more information, please: What kind of RDA are you now using, what kind of mod do you have, what batteries are in it, what build have you put in your current RDA? It's not about building low, it's about building well. Let us know more and we'll get you straightened out.
A little more information, please: What kind of RDA are you now using, what kind of mod do you have, what batteries are in it, what build have you put in your current RDA? It's not about building low, it's about building well. Let us know more and we'll get you straightened out.
thank you very much, now I know 
. ok so my setup right now is. the mod is telescopic mechanical. for the rda its a mini RDA from smoktech and a single coil I want to make it as a dual coil but I only have one air hole and its very very tiny. and for the batteries one 18650. I will start to practice building a coil im just waiting for my friends to have there vape and im also waiting for my baal and my kanthal and I wanna go for the basic builds, honestly I really have no idea on building and such
. ok so my setup right now is. the mod is telescopic mechanical. for the rda its a mini RDA from smoktech and a single coil I want to make it as a dual coil but I only have one air hole and its very very tiny. and for the batteries one 18650. I will start to practice building a coil im just waiting for my friends to have there vape and im also waiting for my baal and my kanthal and I wanna go for the basic builds, honestly I really have no idea on building and such
Can you tell me the brand and model of your mod and battery? A good "starter" build would be dual 28ga Kanthal A1, 8/7 wraps on a 2.5mm mandrel. That should come out in the .7 ohm range and, on a mech, make 25 watts and draw 6ish amps at full charge 4.2V; and 15 watts, drawing 4.6 amps, at the 3.2V battery minimum. I run the same build in many of my drippers and it's fairly cloudy. Not contest winners, but enough to fog out my room with 2 or 3 puffs. Do not vape your battery below 3.0V. You'll probably find you won't vape your battery all the way down to 3.2V; the vape will start getting weak in the 3.5~3.7V range and you'll want a fresh battery. Also, you'll probably want half airflow, or less, with that build in the Baal. All that air in that topper is for 75+watts and complex, massive coil builds, which your mod can't provide.
I can not stress safety enough. Since you are building on a mech mod, an ohmmeter to check your builds is an absolute requirement. Cheap ones can be had on eBay for $10-15, but don't build on a mech without. A short is very serious. A shorted coil on a mech can cause your battery to vent or explode with no warning, turning your mod into a pipe bomb. Serious injury is likely.
You can get by with a drill bit in the appropriate size to wind your coils on, but consider buying a coil tool kit, which includes an ohmmeter. You're going to want all that stuff eventually; might as well get it at once and cheaper than buying one at a time.
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I can not stress safety enough. Since you are building on a mech mod, an ohmmeter to check your builds is an absolute requirement. Cheap ones can be had on eBay for $10-15, but don't build on a mech without. A short is very serious. A shorted coil on a mech can cause your battery to vent or explode with no warning, turning your mod into a pipe bomb. Serious injury is likely.
You can get by with a drill bit in the appropriate size to wind your coils on, but consider buying a coil tool kit, which includes an ohmmeter. You're going to want all that stuff eventually; might as well get it at once and cheaper than buying one at a time.
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Hi EarlzZz.
As Suprtrkr mentions, performance is going to be based on the current your battery (regardless of whether you have a telescoping mod or not - it's what's INSIDE the mod) can deliver to the coil you build. Knowing WHAT you are building and how it will work with your battery makes a big difference.
You MUST be aware of the resistance of the coil and the capability of the actual battery to make sure you are SAFE. I strongly recommend that you do more reading - including ALL the blogs by @Mooch and @Baditude. Each of these members discuss BATTERY SAFETY as well as OHM'S LAW.
I also wouldn't worry about "Big Cloud" right now, until you know and understand more about how this all works. I know it's exciting, but if you don't have even a BASIC understanding of how and why this all works, you are setting yourself up for a potentially dangerous situation.
Please take some time to do some homework and ASK QUESTIONS!
As Suprtrkr mentions, performance is going to be based on the current your battery (regardless of whether you have a telescoping mod or not - it's what's INSIDE the mod) can deliver to the coil you build. Knowing WHAT you are building and how it will work with your battery makes a big difference.
You MUST be aware of the resistance of the coil and the capability of the actual battery to make sure you are SAFE. I strongly recommend that you do more reading - including ALL the blogs by @Mooch and @Baditude. Each of these members discuss BATTERY SAFETY as well as OHM'S LAW.
I also wouldn't worry about "Big Cloud" right now, until you know and understand more about how this all works. I know it's exciting, but if you don't have even a BASIC understanding of how and why this all works, you are setting yourself up for a potentially dangerous situation.
Please take some time to do some homework and ASK QUESTIONS!
+1 to @DingerCPA I can't stress the safety angle enough. Mech vaping can be done safely. I've been doing it for years. But you have to understand the limits of your equipment, and stay well within them.
I didn't expect you guys will really help me thanks alot yea @DingerCPA is right I must understand the basics. I dont even know what are you talking about @suptrkr haha. but I will still follow as what you've said. After I learned the basics I will comeback here with the results of what I have learned. Thanks Alot masters
thanks alot yea @DingerCPA is right I must understand the basics. I dont even know what are you talking about @suptrkr haha. but I will still follow as what you've said. After I learned the basics I will comeback here with the results of what I have learned. Thanks Alot masters
Fair enough. Read @Baditude 's blog for starters. @Mooch 's blog is great for battery safety. Go to steamengine.org and learn how to use a coil calculator. And talk to us. There is no better resource than this board. We'll help you all we can. That's why we're hereI didn't expect you guys will really help me
and btw im just using mech mod. and btw how do I make this thinks "make 25 watts and draw 6ish amps at full charge 4.2V" I mean how do I know if it is 25 wats for 6amps. My battery is 18650, with 3.7V and 4000mAh(25A) and my mod is a mech mod the telescopic one
Your mod is fine for making clouds. The little mini atomizer Not so much. That RDA is more suited to flavor chasing, with it's small chamber size and small air flow.
You could drill the airhole out and increase the airflow, which will help generate more clouds. You don't need 2 airholes to do 2 coils. You might need 2 airholes to prevent 2 HOT cloud producing coils from burning the wick though.
You could drill the airhole out and increase the airflow, which will help generate more clouds. You don't need 2 airholes to do 2 coils. You might need 2 airholes to prevent 2 HOT cloud producing coils from burning the wick though.
I see. thats what I have noticed of my RDA and it also heats alot, deym I must be really noob about this but anyways I already ordered the Baal v1, and im now starting to read some blogs like what they've told me and I hope I can get the perfect wick and resistance or atleast precise when my rda arrive
Another handy link for you is ohmslawcalculator.com There is where you go to find out what watts you are applying to the coil and what amp draw you are demanding from your your battery. Put in your coil resistance, measured on an ohmmeter, and your battery voltage, hit calculate, and it will solve for watts and amps. Your battery-- all vape batteries-- have a nominal voltage of 3.7V, but their actual voltage will vary from 4.2V at full charge down to about 3.2V when discharged. On a mech mod, this means the watts will vary also. They will be highest, and the vape strongest, at full charge; getting weaker with each puff.
If your battery really is 4000 mAh, it is not safe for vaping. There are no batteries of that capacity rater higher than 6-10 amps. Don't use it even once more, it's not anywhere near 25 amps no matter what it says on the label.
Another handy link for you is ohmslawcalculator.com There is where you go to find out what watts you are applying to the coil and what amp draw you are demanding from your your battery. Put in your coil resistance, measured on an ohmmeter, and your battery voltage, hit calculate, and it will solve for watts and amps. Your battery-- all vape batteries-- have a nominal voltage of 3.7V, but their actual voltage will vary from 4.2V at full charge down to about 3.2V when discharged. On a mech mod, this means the watts will vary also. They will be highest, and the vape strongest, at full charge; getting weaker with each puff.
If your battery really is 4000 mAh, it is not safe for vaping. There are no batteries of that capacity rater higher than 6-10 amps. Don't use it even once more, it's not anywhere near 25 amps no matter what it says on the label.
Thank you for everything. I got faked about this battery :/ thank to all who helped me I really really appreciate it :*
Quick math.... Volts = Current * Resistance. In @suprtrkr post above, with a freshly-charged battery (4.2V) and a 0.7 ohm coil, your battery would draw about 6 amps (4.2 / 0.7 = 6). Watts = Current^2 * Resistance. So, 6A * 6A * 0.7Ω = 25W.
In a mechanical mod, as you use your battery, the voltage level drops accordingly. You will note a decrease in performance as the battery drains, and the effective watts will drop as well. When the battery gets to about 3.5V, you will only be at 17-18W (Watts also equals Volts^2 / Resistance - 3.5V * 3.5V / 0.7Ω = 17.5W)
With a regulated mod that will not happen.
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I highly recommend you spend some time with @Baditude & @Mooch (two of our resident battery/safety experts) and visit their blogs. You are now 100% in control of your own safety (and others around you). Make sure you purchase an ohm reader and a voltmeter or DMM so you can measure your builds, check for shorts and measure the remaining charge on your batteries.
Below are some of Moochs blog links.
- There are no 18650 batteries with a genuine rating over 30A!
- Battery pulse ratings are useless!
- 18650 Safety Grades -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With
- List of My Battery Bench Tests
BATTERIES
#9. Battery Basics for Mods: The Definitive Battery Guide for Vaping
- A popular and essential read to understand which batteries are safe to use in mechanical and regulated mods. Includes a frequently updated list of recommended safe-chemistry, high-drain batteries with their specifications.
- A cautionary blog that reveals that the purple Efest batteries may not have the specifications advertised. Also includes an important commentary on "continuous discharge ratings" vs "pulse discharge ratings" of battery specs.
#14. Ohm's Law Explained for Vapers
- My attempt at explaining Ohm's Law in simple layman terms and how it relates to vaping.
- As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept. Warning: Includes graphic photos of mod explosions.
That's part of the challenge with an unregulated mod. Since your voltage is always going down and thus the wattage output of your coil. You have to learn to build a coil that stays pretty much consistent through out that range of change.
OMG,,,stop this train & please reread sprtruks' posts. Please get an ohm tester. Please tell us battery & charger. Please understand a mech is a mech,. It's dangerous without knowledge of basic safety protocols..
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