Don't think I can vape Jugheads anymore

[OCDP]

I am extremely saddened to say this but I don't think I can vape Jugheads joose anymore Over the last couple days I have been noticing that I'll get a really heavy chest, start to wheeze and have slightly labored breathing after vaping a short while. It only happens when I vape, so I know it's definitely from that alone. I have no other respiratory health issues. What's even more strange is that I can go one night without any incidents but the next I'll get the heavy chest all over. It's been a bit hit and miss lately, but more hit than miss ... if that makes any sense.

This is also the first time I've ever used 100% VG. I used to use JuicyClear which is 70/30. It is odd, however, that this didn't start happening until almost two weeks after using the 100% VG juice. In that time I also started using Vivi Nova 2's, but I doubt that these are the culprit. I just think the VG is too thick and heavy for me. I can't recall any episodes while using JuicyClear other than the "holy crap I've been vaping for 3 hours straight... time to slow down" But no "pain"

It's all speculation so far, but I have a strong feeling that I cannot tolerate 100% VG. I know this doesn't limit me to ALL of Jugheads juices, but most of the good ones I like are 100% VG.

I'm going to experiment with my JuicyClear juices again tonight to see if the same thing happens. If it does (knock on wood it doesn't!) then I know my problem is bigger than juices and I'll unfortunately probably have to give up vaping? Let's hope not.

Not sure if anyone else experiences this? It's such a drag... especially because it just came out of no where. I absolutely love the mass amount of vapor and flavour from Jugheads VG line... ahhh so good!

 

[bnrkwest]

I cannot tolerate 100 VG either, I get the same symptoms, I am best with 80pg/20vg or 70pg/30vg. So you are not alone! bnrk

 

[Smile n' shine]

Some people have allergies/sensitivities to pg and vg. You could have an issue with vg. I am also curious about primer fluids in some of these carto/clearo things, I think we should all be careful to not inhale too quickly on a new device. Anyway, that just struck my mind as you mentioned recently using a vivi nova.

Personally, I don't do well vaping pg all day, although I can handle small amounts. You will discover if it is the vg or not by doing as you suggested and switching juices.

Best of luck to you

 

[dhdonline1]

I find the same vaping 100% vg also. I am ok with 70% vg, but much higher than that I find I get the same symptoms.

 

[Cobber]

You are not the first one I've heard of that cannot vape Juggy's VG line. Most people are ok with his original line.

 

[Smile n' shine]

You are not the first one I've heard of that cannot vape Juggy's VG line. Most people are ok with his original line.

You have a point there Cobber and the organics can be mixed to the regular pg/vg ratios.

 

[jhecht4]

I find 70 of pg 30vg awesome!

 

[DevilFishPhil]

I also have a slight intolerance to too much VG - I would get the exact same symptoms you're describing, and not always consistently. Some days I would be perfectly fine and others I felt like my chest was going to explode. Lucky for me I DIY, so it was easy to adjust my ratio. Been vaping 70/30 PG/VG ever since and while I still occasionally have a mild reaction, it's nowhere near as bad as before...

 

[bidslayer]

This makes me very sad - no Extreme VG, no Juggy Organics. At least you can still enjoy the PG juices and I do hope you can handle the PG/VG mixes.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Everyone seems to have this well covered, but I'd like to add a couple of my observations and a suggestion or two also.

I too was getting the heavy chest you describe, it was hit and miss with me too, I was vaping a lot and a fairly wide variety of juices too. I have smoked for a very long time and would often have the same symptoms(maybe to a lesser degree even) after a day of smoking heavily. I'd been diagnosed with having asthma so I'd just use the puffer to allow myself to smoke more cigs., I'd do the same for vaping too.

Then I began dabbling in DIY after reading and researching the DIY stickies for many hours.
I did discover that "for me" it was the high VG and some "Chinese" juices that caused the most irritation. I fiddled with the problem juices by adding some extra PG, nic. and a complimentary flavor or two, in test batches first. I'd basically build a juice I'd think I'd like 100% PG then add some of the high VG/"problem" liquid to it.

Of course some were more successful than others but being "small" amounts they could be added to "larger" working concoctions. The higher PG levels have worked very well for me and I have not had to toss any e-juice yet. Though there are a few store bought tobaccos that will soon be going.

I do not know how long you've been smoking but some damage may have been done and it may be in your best interest to see your doctor and get it looked into. A "puffer" or something similar will likely clear up the heaviness right away if your doc. deems it
appropriate.

You may also have zero inclination to attempt DIY either as it does require a fair bit of a time investment to educate yourself enough to do it safely. But once you have the "basics" it most certainly is not hard to do. We just need to be very careful the math is correct and proper safety precautions and procedures are followed.

The "puffer" and the "DIY" have helped me keep on vaping.
And the fact that I believe it to be much safer than the alternative and I've resolved not to go back there.

Sorry for the novel...just my

 

[WolfeReign]

I find it unique and a coincidence that i found this thread as i was preparing to make a blog on it....But here goes my overall 3/16th cent worth for you.

You said that you are vaping it using a vivi nova correct? Have you tried other cart's/ tanks/ clearo's/ ce2, ce3, ce4's?

I as ask i have been experimenting with myself on certain juices, and how i seem to have the symptoms you describe PLUS a bad bought of despression and/or clogged sinuses when i use PG/VG mixes on certain carts/clearo's/ce??'s

My advice and if you can spare the juice, try the same VG mix in a different tank, or a kanger as bogegate (PBusardo's term, not mine due to boge issues). Try it also on a stardust or firebird. Do you get the same feeling? Do you have something that is Vari-Volt? Have you tried vaping at higher (or lower) voltages?

I am not dismissing the idea that someone can have a allergy to VG. Far from it. What i want to sugest is maybe you are allergic to the chemical make up of the VG and polyfill of certain carts, or your lungs have a different way to operate the bronculi......(look at me sound all smarts WOOF!)

A small example of what i am talking about: I love the moose juice and argh....why four (which is 70% pg/ 30% vg if this is wrong can someone correct me). When i use them in the start dust or firebird i get the weezing, depression, high blood pressure effect...~HOWEVER~ when i use them on a LR bridgeless atomizer or kanger i am more then fine. I am A-ok with jugheadss red bully and eh and double you, yet when i put them in tank format with a SR punched boge cart i get the same effects all over again.

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Disclaimer: I hold any and everyone's health in the highest regard. Only you know your own body better then anyone. If your gut reaction is telling you not to try the idea listed above, then by dear god do not do it! I will not be responsible for someone trying these idea's i offered as help to find out they were sent to hospital for dire medical reasons.
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[Rttch]

I too was getting the heavy chest you describe, it was hit and miss with me too, I was vaping a lot and a fairly wide variety of juices too. I have smoked for a very long time and would often have the same symptoms(maybe to a lesser degree even) after a day of smoking heavily. I'd been diagnosed with having asthma so I'd just use the puffer to allow myself to smoke more cigs., I'd do the same for vaping too.

See, for me, I went the opposite way and I also have asthma and two puffers to take when I need them.

PG gave me NO energy and put me in a bad mood to boot along with other symptoms that you really don't want to know about. The former should be enough though, because who wants to feel lifeless and lethargic all day and every day?

I had to switch to 100% vg (although I do like to try other mixes at vape meets) and I have not had problems with Juggies. In fact, I am incredibly appreciative that Juggies has 100% vg offerings, because there are not a lot of vendors who offer it.

If you like the VG stuff you "could" try another vendor (Canada Ejuice) to see if it really is vg that is causing your symptoms or perhaps something else that Juggy uses in his joose mixtures.

There was another post (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/canada-forum/311607-things-feeling-heavy-2.html) a while ago with similar complaints and, if I recall, his symptoms ceased after he quit using Dekang juices. He now does his own diy stuff and vapes at 100% vg just fine. It could be the specific vg supplier that Juggy uses or it could be vg in itself. There are some links in that thread that your heaviness of chest could be related to quitting smoking recently.

I'd recommend trying some diy stuff or switching to another vendor for a while before trying Jug's again. I haven't personally tried using pg again as I don't want to go back to the symptoms that I had originally, so I can respect your concern for avoiding Jugheads altogether. No one wants to take a risk of going back to a juice that caused concerns for them at one point in their vaping experience especially with symptoms like what you're describing.

I'm really sorry to hear that you're having these issues and hope that you can get them resolved. Please keep us updated because it does matter to future and present vapors.

 

[Pipeous]

I had chest problems way back and found that any juices that use artificial sweeteners like cotton candy, kill me and make me feel asthmatic

 

[Oriana871]

I have problems with 100% VG as well. Noticed it in the past for sure, but since I've barely vaped at all for the last 3 weeks (didn't smoke either) and just started up again, only using Juggy's, I have some thick mucous in my throat after 2 days of medium vaping. It's causing some discomfort swallowing.

A lot of his juices also irritate my throat and they are the only ones that make me cough. No other juice has done this so far, not sure what it is. Didn't want to say anything for a long time because he's such a stellar guy and very well loved.

Regardless of the throat irritation I still use his juices but I have to take breaks and do it in small doses. So besides obviously having some reaction to the VG, I get this throat irritation and cough as well.

 

[chagrin]

I noticed jugheads really irritated my throat and sinuses, affecting my allergies and breathing a bit (through my nose, not with lung involvement). The throat hit on the 100% VG @ 15 MG was also a lot stronger than 2 other vendors at a 70/30 mix at 16 and 18 mg. I'm guessing from the taste that a pepper was used to increase the throat hit. I'm wondering if besides or on top of the VG is it whatever jugheads uses to increase the throat hit that is irritating to some people, I'm positive that's what it was for me.

All in all though, after a few days this stopped bothering me much and jugheads is one of my favourite juice vendors so far.

 

[chagrin]

Emailed Juggy - I love him. He said there is no pepper like I guessed, but some people have the heavy chest or phlegm problems with 100% VG. I wish juggy had a 70/30 or 80/20 option, I love VG.

I can't remember if it was suggested here, but Juggy suggested adding a drop or two of water - which comes with VG orders. You could also try to mix juices with the original PG Jokesmoke if you have it.

 

[OCDP]

Well it's nice to know I am not alone in this and it seems like a common occurance. It's extremely disappointing of course, I just got really comforatable with Jugheads juices, too. I waited a couple days to reply to this thread as I have been testing at home my JuicyClear 70/30 juices. Been vaping since Friday and haven't had one single issue. That's great news!

I decided after vaping the JuicyClear for an entire night to try and drip some Jugheads 100% VG. I did this for about 2 hours and didn't experience anything at all! And they tasted so dang good. Did the exact same thing last night, vaped my JuicyClear all night, then tried dripping for 45 minutes or so, and no issues whatsoever. I could definitely tell that the 100% VG was heavier, no doubt about it, but there was no heavy chest.

So after all of this and all I've read I am still trying to find the "trigger' and I think it just MAY be the Vivi Nova 2's. Time will tell, I'll keep on with the JuicyClear and only dripping the Jugheads. If after a while I fill a Vivi Nova 2 with the 100VG and it happens again I'll know what it's from.

I really thank all of you for the opinions and for sharing your experiences, it helps immensely.

*edit* Was going to ask about adding the drops of water. I'll definitely give that a go if I keep running into problems, glad someone brought that up.

 

[chagrin]

Your problems seems so random, it will be hard to narrow down - good luck. This thread has lots of good advice. Please post back if you get it figure it out.

I think Juggy would be willing to do a custom blend if you asked - but I'm not positive as it might be a lot of extra work for him. Emailing him, he suggested including a bottle of PG to me. I'm going to try adding both distilled water and a drop or two of PG with my next order. Getting a bottle of PG from him will save me trying to find a 500 ml of PG.

If you're using VV, another idea might be to lower the voltage a tad with VG, since it creates more vapour.

 

[WolfeReign]

Your problems seems so random, it will be hard to narrow down - good luck. This thread has lots of good advice. Please post back if you get it figure it out.

I think Juggy would be willing to do a custom blend if you asked - but I'm not positive as it might be a lot of extra work for him. Emailing him, he suggested including a bottle of PG to me. I'm going to try adding both distilled water and a drop or two of PG with my next order. Getting a bottle of PG from him will save me trying to find a 500 ml of PG.

If you're using VV, another idea might be to lower the voltage a tad with VG, since it creates more vapour.

oddly enough when i emailed jugheads and they proceeded to tell me it was all in my head and i was the only one to complain i had went on a quest to dig up as much information as i could.

I have to ask the OP, if he has been better since using JC flavors? Also he may want to keep a eye on his breathing as when i looked on their web site, jug's was in no manner clear on if they used Diacetyl, which i found the information below on it

employees exposed to FFCD (Food Flavor Containing Diacetyl have developed serious respiratory illness presenting with persistent dry cough, wheezing, shortness of breath upon exertion, and fixed airways obstruction on spirometry. Several employees have been diagnosed with asthma or bronchiolitis obliterans. Bronchiolitis obliterans occurs when small airways become inflamed and scarred, resulting in the thickening and narrowing of the airways. The symptoms and airways obstruction range from mild to severe, and do not improve when the employee goes home or on vacation. Because bronchiolitis obliterans is a rare disease, some employees may have been potentially misdiagnosed with asthma, bronchitis, emphysema, and/or pneumonia.

 

[Battlelance]

The site is fairly clear on diacetyl, on the flavours page:
(edit: I should say, it's pretty clear for juggie's site, which to say requires scrolling through pages and pages of "stuff" )

Our Flavour's are made of Completely CERTIFIED & INSPECTED Ingredients. 
Recognized as the world's foremost Finest in Flavourings w/ Flavourart. 
Our Flavours are 99.99% PURE & CERTIFIED. 
Our PG & VG are PHARMACUETICAL GRADE & the VG is CERTIFIED KOSHER.

[B]"THESE ARE NOT CHINESE FLUIDS & THERE IS NO DIACETYL OR PEG IN OUR PREMIUM QUALITY DOMESTIC N.AMERICAN FLAVOUR/FLUIDS!"[/B]