Dual-Coil Cartomizers becoming the new standard?

[DezRo]

So I recently ordered some empty 808 carts, from 3 different vendors.
Since I mostly use a 280mah auto battery, I don't like to get too fancy with it and always just order kr808d-1 "regular" carts.
I avoid anything titled as low resistance, dual-coil, coolcart, premium, etc etc. you get the idea. Just regular 808 carts.
Anyway, 2 of the 3 orders I received are horizontal coil, but they weren't labelled as such on the websites (nor mentioned in details/description).
I don't mind. Did a google search on horizontal-coil cartos and it looks to be an effective design.
However, I'm curious, why do some vendors neglect to mention dual-coil in the description?
It seems like a pretty important distinction. Are the traditional 'vertical wire' cartos being phased out now?
Otherwise, how am I supposed to know what I'm getting (short of emailing the company and asking them directly)?

I'd like to know how refilling/maintenance differs between the two types.
I usually use a piece of piano wire to clear the tube on sloppy refill jobs and older carts.
This straightens and centers the wick tube, also it clears out any globules of juice that are clogging the air flow.
I don't think I can do this with horizontal-coil cartos without damaging or dislodging the coil.
Is the coil supposed to be blocking the hole like that? I am used to being able to look through it end to end against a lamp and see the light at the end of the tunnel.
But it doesn't appear to be obstructing air flow, just blocking the view. So yeah.. I'll just have to get used to that.
Seems to create a tighter draw as well.
Overall I am satisfied with these, and I'm hoping this design can wick up the juice more efficiently like it's supposed to.
That would be cool.

 

[washvap]

I'm not sure which vendors your talking about but, most vendors that I've dealt with. Are very accurate in what they are selling. So, if you bought horizontal coiled cartos then that's what your going to get unless they made a mistake.

Vertical coiled cartos aren't getting phased out at all. There's actually more of them out there for 510 threaded devices compared to horizontal coiled cartos that are often 808 threaded (exception would be the kangers, GoGo, and Echo-E).

Refilling them would be the same although, the maintenance is different between the two. Personally, I don't bother with that and toss it after I go through 10-15ml. The reason being that often enough, the filler material or the "diaper" (piece of cotton wrapped around the coil) is already burnt. If your interested in learning more then look at the burnt cartomizer thread on top of the carto issues page.

With vertical coiled cartomizers. People usually boil them until they don't have an odor to them. While some people actually remove the filler material to wash it and dry burn the coil like they would an atomizer. Not sure if your talking about either a vertical or horizontal coiled carto. With vertical coiled cartos, the coils are located in the middle of the carto while the horizontal coiled cartos have the coil on the bottom.

 

[DezRo]

Ok cool, thanks for answering my questions.
I just picked up vaping again after a 2 year hiatus, so I am a little out of the loop...
probably asking noobish questions, but oh well, it beats wondering.

The vendors were AZSMOKEFREE and LiteCigUSA.
I found that both of these sites offered very little description about their cartos (ie: the manufacturer, coil-style, condom types, mouth piece lid types, ohms resistence, filling capacity)....lol pretty much nothing.
But the price was right so I bought them. And they work fine. Was just wondering why a vendor wouldn't consider these product details important enough to include.
Like for instance I just purchased a 5-volt passthrough for my 808 carts, and I'm like all ready to fire it up but then I come on here and read that 5 volts could damage my carts? So I need to find an adapter for 501 carts, OR get higher/lower resistance 808 carts just for the passthrough?
And also read that bottom feed carts shouldn't be used at 5 volts?
Is horizontal-coil considered bottom-feed? Are the terms synonymous?
If so, does that mean I can't horizontals or clearos on the passthrough?
Or (what I am hoping for) is 5 volts just a maximum, and the passthrough can indeed work on any carto that a 3.7 volt battery can handle?
Lots of questions I know. Feels like I am trying to make sense of raw intelligence data or something. haha
Thanks so much.

 

[washvap]

No problem, I had the same experience when I joined the ECF. Started vaping at 2008 and went back to smoking. So, everything was new to me when I came here. It's not going to take long before you get used to things again.

Never heard of the first vendor and only viewed litecigusa. Not sure why they don't put any descriptions for their cartos. Some just put generic type cartos on their website. Which is why they might not want to list some of the descriptions. Since people might not buy them if they found out. Although, there isn't a vendor out there that lists the capacity of a carto though. Here's a quick list

Standars sized carto (ex. Boge LR): 25 drops or 1ml
XL sized carto (ex. DCC): 45 drop or 1.5ml
XXL/ego mega carto: 4ml

As for mouth pieces, 808/901 or 510. You can use a 510 drip tip that fits them all.

5V can damage your cartos if the ohms aren't used in conjunction with that particular voltage. For instance, if you use a 1.7 ohm carto at 5V then it will burn. Meaning that the coil has gotten way to hot and burns the filler material. SO, if you want to use your 808 cartos at 5V then it either has to be standard resistance (SR) which is around 2.8-3 ohms OR you can get a 2.5 ohm cartomizer that would be able to handle 5V and give you a warmer vape.

You can use any carto or clearos you want as long as you follow the suggestions that I have just described above. Don't worry about asking to much questions. That's what this forum is here. To spread or share info between vapers in the vaping community.

Here are some vendors that I buy my cartos from:

Cartomizers
Cartomizers
Cartomizers - IkenVape Store
Crystal Clear Vaping

 

[DezRo]

Ahhhh, alright. I think all my cartos are probably between 2.6 and 3.2 ohms but really I don't know for sure.
I guess I'll just proceed with it then and if it gets too hot or feels off somehow I'll stop right away.
So what are LR cartos for anways?
Are they designed for people who like to play chicken with their voltages?
Produces shorter, quicker, harsher/hotter drags more akin to smoking a cig? I don't get it.

Also one quick question on the usb passthrough:
USB 2.0 puts out a max of 500mah, while the passthrough requires a min. of 1000mah for optimal performance.
Is this just a matter of optimal performance, or can I actually damage either my computer or the passthrough by running it off 500mah?
I plugged in my PS3 just to test it for a puff or 2 and it worked AMAZINGLY WELL.
I didn't know that vapor could be that thick and tasty with so little draw effort. WOWOWOW
But alas.. I quickly unplugged it and put it away though for fear of frying my ps3 or the passthrough itself.
So yeah... apparently the passthrough does work on USB 2.0 w/ a max. output of 500mah. (assuming PS3 USB 2.0 ports are the standard max. 500mah).
So I know that it at least "works". Now a part of me is saying "hey man, if there's grass, play ball", but I'm still holding off just in case.
I don't want to get 2 weeks in and have a fried passthrough/usb port.. assuming the damage comes in the form of a time-bomb effect or slow wear'n'tear over time.
Never thought it would be this involved of a process.
I thought I could just plug it in to my laptop and start puffin' away.
Now I'm online ordering 2000mah adapters and stuff just so I can use it. geez.

 

[washvap]

LR is only meant to be used with 3.7V devices. Which gives them a warmer vape compared to SR which would be weak in that sort of application. High voltage vaping like 5V will give you the ability of having as much TH and warmth in vapor with a shorter drag. Which would be similar to smoking a cig compared to LR +3.7V which will require a longer drag in order to achieve the almost the same results.

Basically, LR simulates HV vaping. If you use it on your computer then you WILL damage it since the USB port isn't designed to handle such a power draw that the 5V (2 amps /5V output) passthrough requires.

2 amp AC to USB Adapter, ideal for Passthroughs

So, what you have read is correct and 5V passthroughs are a bit troublesome sometimes. Which is why people move onto mods and such. That way you don't have to worry about that and you can use it anywhere you like. I actually used to use 5V passthroughs but, decided that it was to much of a PITA. JMHO

 

[DezRo]

Yes.. a mod with a huge battery absolutely makes more sense than the passthrough now that I think about it.
It's wireless and you can just charge the batts overnight since they last all day. Brilliant.
And I can't thank you enough. You've been very helpful.
I live in Washington too. Keep me in mind for trades n' swaps in the future. I'm in the process of amassing lots of gear and juice right now and I'm bound to have flavors and things that I don't like that you might like... vice versa etc etc.
It's kinda weird but I really don't know anybody around here who uses ecigs.