E-cigarette conspiracy

[Falconfloat]

Hi people

Ive been vaping for just over a week now i really enjoy it and can definitely do it in place of the burning cigerettes.

I was reading and looking at youtube and stuff and it talked about the FDA in USA saying its harmful and contains Chemical carcinogens and something from anti freeze.

Im all for E-cigs, and my mind says that these government organisations are tryng to demonise e-cigs because of they are better than tobacco which they make alot of money from, and control population with.

Please give me some info on these so called chemical carcinogens and anti freeze that they claim.

Im just trying to convince myself, please help.

This topic has probably been covered many times but because im new to teh forum and it is massive i cant find my way around.

Cheers

 

[NewJoizy]

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

 

[the86d]

Apparently there were some amount in one vendor's filled cartridges. Propylene Glycol[FONT="][/FONT] can be used as an anti-freeze additive, it is also in my son's cough syrup, and so is glycerin.

I make my own juice. I fill my own empty carts. There is no "diethylene glycol" in my eSmokes.

Joyetech's list of filled cartridge ingredients: http://www.joyetech.com/UpLoadFile/2007122901385473499.doc

Find more info, post it.

I do not think that it would be effective in the long term to kill consumers of eSmokes, that is reserved for Big Tobbacco's analog cigarettes, and those who do not make a change by quitting or switching over!

 

[Jim Davis]

This "anti-freeze" issue cracks me up.

E-cigs have an ingredient that is used in anti-freeze. So What!?!? Water is also in anti-freeze. Who cares what ingredients are in anti-freeze?

I know of a case that found nicotine in the stool of a race horse. Does that mean e-cig nic juice has horse s**t in them??

I think not.

 

[Falconfloat]

Its what i was thinking, i just think those people that can influence us to stay on tobacco are trying to do that.

 

[SmokinMomma]

The problem in part is, I think, the government will lose a lot of tax dollars from tobacco that they were counting on since they just raised the tobacco taxes so high. They have no taxes in place on ecigs. And since the device is separate from the juice, I reckon they're all a twitter about it. They're losing money in taxes, and they haven't figured out how to profit ftom ecigs yet, and you can bet your sweet rear the tobacco companies are gonna be worried too.

That's why all the ruckus about ecigs. Whenever something happens, follow the money. Who's getting a slice of the pie and who isn't.

 

[DC2]

The antifreeze scare was based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol in one cartridge tested.

While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 19 tested. It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.

From what I understand the Smoking Everywhere juice does not come from the Dekang, which makes around 90% of the juice in the market, so that is important to know.

And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down hundreds, or even thousands of cartridges per day to get anywhere near a toxic level.

Also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes, and the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.

Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there not matter how little there was.


As for the carcinogens, they found around six or seven different nitrosamines, which are carcinogens.
These nitrosamines come from the extraction of nicotine from tobacco.

They are also found in smoking cessation products in approximately the same amounts.
And of course they are also found in real cigarettes, but in much, much, much higher amounts.
Somewhere on the order of 1500 times more in real cigarettes actually.
Along with more than 30 additional carcinogens as well.

The amount of them they found in the juice, however, is so low as to be virtually harmless.


And while these things were found in the liquid, unless I am mistaken they were not found in the vapor.
And that would be a very important distinction to make as well.

 

[scott58]

This "anti-freeze" issue cracks me up.

E-cigs have an ingredient that is used in anti-freeze. So What!?!? Water is also in anti-freeze. Who cares what ingredients are in anti-freeze?

I know of a case that found nicotine in the stool of a race horse. Does that mean e-cig nic juice has horse s**t in them??

I think not.

I figure I just won't get as cold in the winter time.

 

[ferdz]

I figure I just won't get as cold in the winter time.

scott, thats the best thing ive heard all day haha



but honestly, i love this "anti freeze" issue. Most all analogs contain things that could be much much worse, esp. on their finding of trace amounts from a cart.

Don't you want Carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide and ammonia in your e-cig? You can get them in analogs

theres like 500+ things in analogs...well, you get the point.

 

[props76]

The antifreeze scare was based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol in one cartridge tested.

Diethylene glycol is used to treat TOBACCO to keep it most. This means;

1) your analog WILL have more than a trace of diethylene glycol
2) the diethylene glycol was found in a tobacco flavor e-juice. The DG clearly came from the tobacco, which if had not been used for e-juice would've been smoked releasing ALL of the DG.

Reading the FDA report, they found TRACE amounts of DG. Trace means so small it doesn't matter. That was the FDA's conclusion.

It is idiots without any scientific background that have created the "anti-freeze" issue.