E-Cigs are a scam?

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kevc978

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I just recently read an article, suggesting e-cigs are the new modern scam in which big tobacco was in the early days. An easy way to get us hooked into nicotine in the modern world.

Im a 25 year old, 10 year smoker, have always wanted to stop and with my new e-gadget, can now actually see that as a possibility. I could easily give up smoking with my e-smoking... but will i give up my e-smoking.. who knows


So are e-cigs the new big tobacco scam?

I am by no means calling e-smoking a scam, i find it brilliant, cost saving and definately a life saver, in fact i would go as far as to say it should be offered as treatment to all smokers... far less cost to the health economies of the world!


Thanks for all your comments and opinions.
 

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Right. There is this great doctor called "Doctor Vapor" on youtube. He actually states on one of his videos that nicotine is not a carcinogen. Since it is a verbal medium, I wonder if he consciously meant to say that...

But one thing is clear: its whey healthier and he states this.

Also, the article you cite reeks of the liberal "victim mentality"; the fact is I choose to consume nicotine for its benefits in the cleanest & healthiest way that I can. I can quit any time I wish as well. Prior to deciding to vape I quit for two years cold turkey with no problem.

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Seeing how I imagine that article was written by an ardent anti nicotine person. It's simply a personal choice for everyone, some people enjoy smoking and use an e-cig because it's a healthier and MUCH cheaper way to enjoy the habit and some see it as a way to quit.

Can you quit on e-cigs? Sure it's actually easy since you can step down your nicotine usage to just about any dosage, especially when you mix your own liquids. Someone can start at 24mg and step that down 1mg each week until they are using 0mg nicotine liquid.

Personally I just enjoy smoking and unlike cigarettes this has no carcinogens or chemicals with mutagen affects on human cells. For many people the only side affect of e-cigs is gas and dry mouth. While the analog side affect is death.
 

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This kind of thinking is legit but misses the big picture. Sure companies would LOVE to get a chunk of the billions a day the tobacco companies reel in, and this will definitely earn them their share. If you get into the politics of it they are probably all as greedy and evil as each other.

The only point I concern myself with is if its better for me and why. It's healthier as far as I can tell using simple logic. It's cheaper by a long shot. Thats all I care about.
 

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I have found it's MUCH easier to not HAVE TO vape, as opposed to smoking. I can and have easily gone days without vaping or any other sources of nicotine (snus, snuff, dissolvables), with no problems. It's gotten to the point now, that I usually don't bring an ecig with me when I leave the house, even when I know I'm going to be gone all day. I do usually (but not always) bring some dissolvables in case I feel like one, but don't always use those either. Often, I just 'forget' to want anything. THAT was just unthinkable with cigs.

For me, I think one of the big factors with ecigs is that they help you break that habit cycle with cigs where you are accustomed to lighting up and smoking a whole cigarette at certain times and situations. With ecigs, since you can just take a puff whenever you want, it breaks up that habituation and sort of confuses the part of your brain that gets addicted. After a while, your brain just doesn't know when to expect or want a puff, so it's much easier to retain control. It's also possible that my intermittent use of ecigs, snus, snuff, & dissolvables (none of which I use every day) has further 'confused' my addiction, and helped me get to this point.

I dunno if that made any sense to anyone else, but that's how it's worked out for me.
 
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kevc978

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j808i totally agree, Our e-cig manufacturer's arent in this for our wellbeing, they have found a good ebb to stem the flow.. a new smoking system which is without those 4000 chemicals but still delivers the most addictive drug in the world (supposedly).

Are we to blame them in any way though for making us give up one kind of nicotine addiction for another, i doubt it, in fact, strangely enough it looks like instead of complaining about our coughs and colds, aches and pains, shortness of breath and loss of appetite due to smoking real cigarettes that we have woken up to the fun of the "DIY" of e-cig's, your own flavour, your own strength, at different times of the day, whenever YOU want, without the health risks and wheezing panting, general malaise and cancer risks

Arent we bettering ourselves, why should a government concern itself with a minority of people bettering themselves off from becoming a drag on their health service unless we are impeding on something.... like... taxes or income

Im afraid we are going to learn how brutal our governments really are when it comes to losing taxes on tobacco smoking. We will see our healthy alternative removed in this harsh climate due to the revenues they depend on at the moment to 'keep the smokers alive'
 
Huh... interesting idea. I guess in a way, you are still being "hooked" to nicotine, so... I guess you could say that smoke juice suppliers and e-cigarette makers want us to keep buying more... but you could say that about any product really.

Vaping is still healthier than smoking analogs so... so what if I'm hooked? I'm also hooked on other things for sure:um... caffeine? You could say that the energy drink companies and coffee growers want us to stay hooked on caffeine... candy companies want us hooked on sugar... what's the difference?

SCAM is the wrong word to use. Um... if you make a product that people love and are hooked on, seems honest enough to me.
 

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Not only are they NOT a scam (unless you buy a "Smoking Everywhere" ecig or the equivalent), they're a freakin' miracle! I think they SHOULD be the standard prescription for smoking cessation and I think Hon Lik (the inventor of the ecig) should be nominated for the Nobel Prize in humanitarianism.
Oh, but for a perfect world.
 

whiskey

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Not only are they NOT a scam (unless you buy a "Smoking Everywhere" ecig or the equivalent), they're a freakin' miracle! I think they SHOULD be the standard prescription for smoking cessation and I think Hon Lik (the inventor of the ecig) should be nominated for the Nobel Prize in humanitarianism.
Oh, but for a perfect world.


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Maybe clean nic is less addictive!
Reyth, this could be true - I've heard others here on ECF mention about big tobacco putting additional chemicals in analogs to either heighten or enhance the addictive qualities of the nicotine, but I can't say if that's true for sure or not.

Personally, I think Voltaire absolutely nailed it, or at the very least nailed down a large portion of it, with this statement:
With ecigs, since you can just take a puff whenever you want, it breaks up that habituation and sort of confuses the part of your brain that gets addicted.
I, as others here have stated, have had this "feeling" that I just wasn't tied down to my e-cig the same way I felt tied down to analogs, and had been pondering why that might be so. Voltaire's explanation has a definite ring of truth to it...at least for me personally.

KevC978, this line caught my eye:
Im afraid we are going to learn how brutal our governments really are when it comes to losing taxes on tobacco smoking. We will see our healthy alternative removed in this harsh climate due to the revenues they depend on at the moment to 'keep the smokers alive'.
I'm afraid you could be right. If in-depth testing were to be done that showed e-cigs to be hazardous (i highly doubt it), then that would be one thing. However, if the FDA chooses not to proceed with safety testing, or, worse yet, continues down this path to ban e-cigs even if testing IS done which shows them to be safe, then I say to he!! with 'em. The representatives in our government, with their cushy jobs and their tabloid lifestyles, have lost sight, in a very major way, of what their original damn duty is supposed to be. They are here to serve the citizens and represent our interests, not to police us in the pursuit of their own suspect motives.
 

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My guess is more tax reasons than anything, which I see happeneing in a couple of years in the USA as well, unless lawmakers find a way to tax them the same as analogs. Government, buisiness, it all comes down to the money and, right now, aside from sales tax, they are not making money on e- cigs. so rather than impose a tax, which always gets bad press, they will simply ban them. Stupid in my opinion but, I paid extra taxes to smoke so, would not object to the same for vaping if that means I can have them legally.
 
when its all said and done i figure we'll end up somewhere smack in the middle. the hardware mods/attys/carts will be fine but the nicotine will be taxed fairly heavily. Even with that i will not go back to analogs. i figure if they double the price of nicotine juice with taxes we'll still be better off vaping and healthier for it...
 
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