E juice question

[Alex4866]

I got my Kayfun lite+ and build a coil with 28g kanthal, 10 - 12 wraps around a small screwdriver, vaped on some caramel and after a tank I tried some black liquorice liquid, both from mt baker vapor, and the taste was fantastic. A couple of days later I recieved a sample pack from Virgin Vapor with 3 liquids. I decided I wanted to try those, so I cleaned out the remaining juice in the tank, cleaned out and rebuild.

The new flavours was also great, and when I ran out of the Virgin vapor liquids I went back to the ones from mt baker vapor.
cleaned it and rebuild. Now however, I am barely getting any real flavor from it. It is like, well, water-ish, with just a tiny hint of caramel/liquorice.. Before I was getting a really strong flavor. I am using the same coil and the same gauge, about the same cotton. What is wrong? Does this mean the liquid has gone bad? I've had it for around 2 weeks.

 

[Jscheiben]

I was having the same prob(could be unrelated to yours) when I first got my kayfun, I finally figured out that I was using just slightly too much cotton for the wick.

 

[Alex4866]

The cotton I use is just thick enough to sit snug inside the coil.

 

[kellybomer]

This may be a bit off topic but i have a sentinal m16 with an igo w and fhe flavor on this is terrible ive rebuilt it at least 20 times and im using 30gauge organic cotton and mt baker vapor ejuice im very frustrated can anyone please help

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[Alex4866]

How do you build your coils? if you could upload a picture that would be good.

 

[AttyPops]

@Alex: Are you still getting full vapor? Just reduced flavor?
What about other stuff you eat/drink?

There is an effect known as vaper's tongue...it lasts a few weeks where you can't taste much. :/

 

[AttyPops]

@kellybomer...I suggest you start a thread. Lots of stuff to discuss that may throw this thread off topic.

 

[AttyPops]

@Alex...

Other tips...make sure you shake the juice well before you fill/drip. You MAY have had a situation where flavoring floated to the top/bottom and you vaped a lot of it away at 1st...leaving less.

Other thoughts depend on volume of vapor and nic hit this time around...which you didn't specify.

 

[kellybomer]

Yes im getting the vapor but the flavor is horrible and i sometimes even choke on this vapor, its 6mg is it possible its my juice from mbv that ive had for around a month

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[Alex4866]

Hey Attypops, yeah I am getting full vapor production, no problems there just no taste, I do shake my liquids before vaping.

Haven't heard of this Vapor's Tongue, does it only apply to vapor? Because I can taste everything else.
I've eaten some toast and some vegetables, I drank about 0.5 liters of water not long ago, but honestly I don't drink much during the day.

Not sure what you mean by "volume of vapor" but I am getting good/big (for me) clouds. the nic is 18mg.

 

[AttyPops]

Well, it sounds like the e-cig is performing properly. So it's either the juice or your taste buds. Now, you do get "burned out" on a flavor. Some people change flavors regularly. That's probably the best way to tell...change flavors and see if taste comes back. Vaper's tongue passes. You can do a forum search and read up a bit.

Otherwise, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe someone that has tried that specific juice could tell you more.

Sometimes over-heating (too high a voltage) can burn out flavor. Too low, and it floods though.

 

[DaveP]

The coil may be crusted over with burned juice. Pull out the cotton wicking and dry burn it by pulsing it until it glows. When it glows nice and evenly all the way across, insert a new wick and prime it with a couple of drops of juice and vape.

ETA: I saw where you said you rebuilt it. Are you using an ohm meter to judge the number of wraps? Coil diameter and wraps both work toward variations in the resulting resistance. You may have a situation where reducing the number of turns helps. Shoot for 2 ohms taking into account the lead resistance and work from there.

Sometimes it helps to know exactly what the specs are ... Voltage, resistance, wicking condition and contact, etc matter a great deal. I can blow clouds on my Genesis and not get a good flavor at all. Cotton doesn't allow you to burn and see if there are hot spots in the wick. Try it with silica rope and you can dry burn and judge the coil efficiency by sight.

Spend some time watching Rip Trippers videos on YouTube for some really good instruction on recoiling. This is a good one.

 

[Alex4866]

DaveP

I followed Riptrippers advice when I build my coils. My mod is a VamoV2 I check the ohms on that one, but I do have a ohmmeter here somewhere. The coil I have in the Kayfun right now is about 1.5ohms - 1.7ohms. After experiencing no flavor from any vapes I had a lot of rebuilding going on before I started this thread, the coil is not more than a day "old", i doubt there's any crusted liquid on it.

In my kayfun I have the caramel flavor, so I went back to my Nimbus, and build that with dual 32g coils, and vaped the liqourice. Still nothing.

One thing I don't understand about Rip's coiling in that video is; why does i insist on connecting the leads to the opposite screws? Why not just connect the leads to the screws which are in the direction the leads are going? I followed his way of doing it, I just don't understand it.

 

[AttyPops]

If it was gunked up, you wouldn't get the volume of vapor. Performance would suffer. Taste buds or juice or excessive watts problem.

 

[DaveP]

DaveP

I followed Riptrippers advice when I build my coils. My mod is a VamoV2 I check the ohms on that one, but I do have a ohmmeter here somewhere. The coil I have in the Kayfun right now is about 1.5ohms - 1.7ohms. After experiencing no flavor from any vapes I had a lot of rebuilding going on before I started this thread, the coil is not more than a day "old", i doubt there's any crusted liquid on it.

In my kayfun I have the caramel flavor, so I went back to my Nimbus, and build that with dual 32g coils, and vaped the liqourice. Still nothing.

One thing I don't understand about Rip's coiling in that video is; why does i insist on connecting the leads to the opposite screws? Why not just connect the leads to the screws which are in the direction the leads are going? I followed his way of doing it, I just don't understand it.

I noticed that he winds the leads backwards on the screws, too. Any electrical/electronic course will tell you to wind them in the direction the screw turns so that tightening results in further winding of the loop, not unwinding.

 

[DaveP]

If it was gunked up, you wouldn't get the volume of vapor. Performance would suffer. Taste buds or juice or excessive watts problem.

I agree, although I'm experimenting with my first Genesis clone using #350 SS mesh and getting huge clouds of nasty flavor. In my case, it's typical of Genesis type attys and SS mesh until they break in and char the mesh a little.

He's using cotton and may just have something going on with taste buds as you said. Cotton can be kind of screwy, too. I've recoiled Kanger heads with cotton wicks and gotten good vapor with mediocre flavor. That's also going on right now with Aspire Nautilus heads. Those usually last a week or more with great flavor and vapor. Aspire recently issued a statement that they had discovered problems with the silica wicks being slightly undersized compared to the coil diameter. That was causing early failures and they are replacing them to the vendors one for one and reimbursing the vendor with new heads based on a percentage of atomizers bought by the customer.

Is Aspire's case, coils were gunked over due to insufficient wetting from the wick. There was good flavor for a day and then nothing but vapor with little flavor. I'm betting that's what's going on here.