E-Liquid QC

[wyattc08]

I bought a 5mil 24mg bottle of strawberry from madvapes a couple of weeks ago, tasted totally awesome. Instantly became my all day vape. So i ordered a 30mil 24mg bottle of strawberry. When i started using the 30mil bottle, it was totally disgusting, almost no flavor, burns my throat real bad, just terrible. Im am using this flavor on my 5v box mod with bauway 2.9 ohm clearo's. Do you guys have any idea what happened? Maybe its a quality control problem? I even let it sit for a week, and i still get the same thing. Any ideas?

 

[wwturner]

Submit a helpdesk ticket with them. They will do whatever they can to make it right. I have the same continual problem with their Chocolate Mint juice, so I gave up on that flavor from them. They did everything they could, short of actually vaping it themselves to make me happy though!

 

[Marb]

One thing I notice is that sometimes my tastebuds will "burn-out" on a flavor and I'll have to switch to something else for a while. Probably not your issue since you gave it some time off. And I doubt it's anything to do with steeping. I've personally never seen much difference when letting a liquid steep for a while.

Looking at the reviews for numerous fluids, it does appear that there's a slight QC issue that seems to ebb and flow. Fortunately, I can't say I've run into it myself (knock on wood, lol).... possibly with one of the sampler packs, but that may have just been a personal taste thing.

As previously mentioned, contact MV. I haven't had any real issues myself, but I've heard nothing but good things when it comes to them fixing problems. They always seem to go above and beyond

Oh, one thing as far as troubleshooting that just came to mind: could it be a wicking issue? Are you getting ANY good hits at all from it, or was this batch bad from the first drag?

 

[cavibird2005]

I've noticed the same thing with different flavors.(Honey Dew and Rootbeer) 5 or 10ml bottles are great, but once I jump up to a 30ml bottle things fall off quick. I never filed a ticket about it though, feared the dreaded "Taste is suggestive" answer. So I didn't bother.



That's why I usually only buy Dekang, or small bottles of the house brand.

 

[wyattc08]

Marb, i have tried different clearo's and still get the same thing. I submitted a ticket, but all they told me was to let it "Tan", however as far as I know tanning is just the darkening of the nicotine. Cavibird, I hear all good things about most dekangs, I want to try some one day, but right now im a little gun shy on dropping money on liquid. Thanks everyone for your help.

 

[Marb]

Huh, I suppose "tanning" is the same as "steeping?" If it's the same no matter what carto, then I'm leaning toward it being an "off-batch" and unfortunately, I doubt time will help it... but you never know.

They may also be waiting to see if there's any other complaints on that particular batch before they do anything, just to make sure it's not a "personal taste" thing. But I'm just guessing on that one.

Oh, and here's an example about reviews (although this is dekang, not Top Vapor):
USA Mix, 50ml, 24mg E-Liquid
The latest ones have bad reviews, whereas the previous ones are more positive. Whether it's due to a "bad batch" or just personal preference, I can't say for sure.

Also, as a comparison, that one is 10.99 for 50mL. I was in a bind and had to get some stuff locally - I got 20mL of the exact same stuff for 19.99 at a smoke shop... Yeah, it sucks being a procrastinator, lol... I'm not a fan of dekang, but if you're going to try some, I don't think anyone beats MV's prices.

I've got a 50mL of DK-TAB on order just because of the price - I may not be a fan of dekang, but I'm a fan of saving money!

 

[cavibird2005]

Not all the dekang's are great like the cappuccino it seems every one thinks its bad. However most are good, I've tried a lot of different dekang liquids and the only one I didn't like was the "kool" flavor. Turns out Kool=wintergreen with no menthol.. ick

The kool didn't come from MV

But the rest of them I've really liked and when I order a bottle its the same as the last. No surprises.

 

[hoogie76]

We can't really help with dekang flavors but on our TopVapor line, we follow the exact recipes for each flavor from when it was created. We make our own nic and test that before putting it into our tested 0mg batches. There is a possibility of steeping and theres also a slight possibility of our extracts varying a little bit due to the crop and time of year. We use natural organic extracts with no artificial flavors. I'd say steeping is the best bet as we make stuff new everyday and maybe you got a freshly made batch..

hoog

 

[hoogie76]

Here's an additional reply from Scott:

We have not changed any recipes. Or have we changed suppliers for the PG or VG, also we are still buying for the same vendor for our natural organic extracts. As far as the extract go they are natural so the flavor can change a little. To address the different taste from bottle size to bottle size, it is quite strange. When we make our juices they are made 2000ml at a time and placed in large dispensing bottles and then poured into the bottles we sell. So it is very strange that 5ml taste different then a 30ml.

hoog

 

[wyattc08]

Thanks Hoog, I tried it again today, and it is a little better as far as the harshness goes. But the flavor still isn't there at all. I have no idea what happened, i don't really think it's me, but the way you explain the process of making the liquid, I don't think it was on your end either, so who knows. I have found a new all day vape, which is your Apple Flavor. Very Very Good! I will probably just keep ordereing 5 or 10mil bottles. I am also thinking about possibly adding some Lorann Strawberry to my 30mil bottle to see if it helps. Thanks Much!

 

[AzPlumber]

Just a thought, try putting some of your liqiud from the 30ml bottle into smaller 5ml bottles. Maybe it steeps quicker in smaller quantities.

 

[six]

There is a possibility of steeping and theres also a slight possibility of our extracts varying a little bit due to the crop and time of year.

That's the conclusion I came to a while back. You've explained the juice making process before, and I can't see any reason someone mixing wouldn't just follow the recipe. I decided that your flavor supplier might not be completely consistent. - The rootbeer was mentioned. I bought it with pretty much every order when i first found madvapes. I couldn't put that stuff down for a couple of months. Now, I won't buy it because my experience is that I have a 50/50 shot of it being something i don't want to vape.

I am going to say, however, madvapes isn't alone with that sort of thing. There are two other vendors I get a lot of juice from and sometimes the flavors can be drastically different from them too. I have two bottles of one of my "go-to" juices here on my desk. They have a "born on" date on the label four days apart from one another. They don't even taste close to being the same thing. I happen to like them both, but without looking at the bottles, you'd never guess they were the same juice.

 

[hoogie76]

Funny but Ive been vaping a mix of dekang juices the last week or so. I vaped the new green usa mix for a few days and thought it was really good but I burn out on menthols pretty quickly so switched back to a bottle of dekang energy cow that I've been hitting for about a week prior. When I swapped from menthol to energy cow, the cow tasted just like soap. After a night of boozing, cow had no flavor at all!

But now that the menthol and booze has worn off, energy cow tastes great again.

I know, no redeeming value in this but if I can recreate soap, flavorless and great from the same bottle and same carto, I'm sure others are experiencing the same things.

hoog

 

[cavibird2005]

When we make our juices they are made 2000ml at a time and placed in large dispensing bottles and then poured into the bottles we sell.

hoog

Out of curiosity

Are these dispensers agitated??

I use to work for Pepsi (Gatorade division specifically) I ran a packaging machine. The product was made in a lab, and than brought to the clean room/production area for packaging. We had to make sure that the product was being agitated the during the duration of the run in order to insure consistency. If we didn't we would inevitably create bad/inconsistent product.

Just a thought.

 

[MASTER0FDAMPF]

I was wondering the same thing...do you use mechanical shakers? Vibrational/rotational homogenizers? maybe that bottle was off the top of a bulk that sat a few days and settled or something. Purely specultion with no basis...just wondering if that could happen.

Out of curiosity

Are these dispensers agitated??

I use to work for Pepsi (Gatorade division specifically) I ran a packaging machine. The product was made in a lab, and than brought to the clean room/production area for packaging. We had to make sure that the product was being agitated the during the duration of the run in order to insure consistency. If we didn't we would inevitably create bad/inconsistent product.

Just a thought.

 

[blackwater]

Bought 2 50ml bottles of dekang 555 and dekang RY4 both at 6mg 2 weeks ago. Right out of the box really nasty throat hit. 2 weeks later same un vape able liquid. Any way this got sent with the wrong nic strength? I mean it's just not vape able for me. The throat hit is so huge and nasty that it makes me cough.

Chris