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  1. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    If anyone uses this app can help me..does this look right base liquid is nic
     

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  2. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    I don't use that app; but does "what" look right?
    (according to your screenshot) You have:
    26% nic base
    17.2% added PG
    51.8% added VG
    5% added flavor
    Your "drops equivalent appears to be made up of 20 drops/mL

    We can't offer a result for final PG/VG ratio or nic strength, because you didn't state what your nic base is made up of. We can't comment on possible flavor (taste) result, as you have not indicated what brand, and name, of flavor concentrate you are using. 5% could be too much for certain flavor/brands; while being too low for others.
     
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  3. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    Yea sry it's 100% nic vg flavor is vape shop brand 100% pg. I actually found a different app that shows ml for each line
     
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  4. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    Idk if I should edit or post another so here goes. My main concern is going to the shop and asking for high nic, he just drops some drops of nic in his house flavors. Here it is asking for more nic than pg
     
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  5. retired1

    retired1 Administrator Admin Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Apr 5, 2013
    Texas
    100% or 100mg? HUGE difference there, one of which is not permitted for discussion on ECF (100%).
     
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  6. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    @WayneL,
    Just so you understand what @retired1 is referring to; ECF Rules prohibit the discussion of nic concentration use greater than 200mg/ML (or 20%)(for DIY nicotine rules; click on above link, and read rule #35 d and e). The most common(?) "upper end" for home DIYers in the US is 100mg/mL (10%), and in the UK and EU, I believe it is quite difficult to get higher than 72mg/mL(7.2%). ECF encourages discussing nicotine in terms of "mg/mL" (milligrams per milliliter), instead of percentages, to avoid any confusion (such as in your previous post) regarding nicotine strength.

    So... I will assume you meant you are (or intend to) using (use) 100mg/mL nic in 100% VG base. And, with that understanding, the recipe you posted in your initial screenshot will result in this:
    upload_2017-10-10_22-27-5.png
    You will end up with a 15mL batch of 22.2%PG/77.8%VG (call it 22P/78V) with 26mg/mL nic strength, and a flavor concentration of 5%.

    I see from your new members thread, that you are vaping between 18mg/mL and 24mg/mL, so this is not out of line. Whether it is going to be right for you; no one, but you, can say.;)
    As for the PG being a physically smaller amount than the nic concentrate; that is not unreasonable. The overall target PG/VG ratio (the ratio you want to end up with... in your case apparently 22P/78V) is the goal. Most everything we put into our DIY mixes (flavor concentrates, and nicotine) are in a base of PG, VG, or both. All of those bases have to be accounted for in the overall ratio.

    Or putting it another way: each flavor concentrate, or nicotine concentrate, counts toward the flavor (or nic) percentage, and also toward the PG or VG percentage. Here is a over-simplified example:
    I am using 10%(of total recipe) nic concentrate which is in 100% VG (and mg/mL doesn't matter for this example), and I know I want 25% (of total recipe) flavor concentrate which is in 100% PG. I want my finished ratio to be 50%PG/50%VG.

    That means 50% of my recipe is going to be made up of PG ingredients. My flavor concentrate is PG based; and I need 25% (of total recipe) flavor concentrate according to my recipe. 50% PG, minus 25% PG flavor concentrate, leaves me needing to add 25% additional plain PG. <25% PG flavor + 25% plain PG = 50% total PG>

    The other 50% of my recipe is going to be made up of VG ingredients. My nicotine concentrate is VG based; and I need 10% (of total recipe) nicotine concentrate according to my recipe. 50% VG, minus 10% VG nicotine concentrate, leaves me needing to add 40% additional plain VG. <10% VG nic + 40% plain VG = 50% total VG> The resulting recipe looks like:
    10% ?mg/mL VG nic concentrate
    25% PG
    40% VG
    25% PG flavor concentrate
    100% Total


    If we use your recipe as an example, we see that it has:
    5% flavor concentrate (in a 100% PG base (assumed; most common base)) <5% of 15mL=0.75mL>
    plus
    17.2% additional PG <17.2% of 15mL=2.58mL>
    resulting in
    5% + 17.2% = 22.2% total PG <22.2% of 15mL=3.33mL>

    26% nicotine (in a 100% VG base) <26% of 15mL=3.9mL>
    plus
    51.8% additional VG <51.8% of 15mL=7.77mL>
    resulting in
    26% + 51.8% = 77.8% total VG <77.8% of 15mL=11.67mL>

    22.2% PG + 77.8% VG = 100% of the total mix <3.33mL + 11.67mL = 15mL>

    Percentages add up to 100%. Milliliters add up to 15mL. The numbers agree with the calculator.:thumbs:

    And... because of the desired target nicotine level, PG/VG ratio, and ingredients used... YES; you would use more nicotine concentrate, than PG, for this particular recipe. If you were to use nic in a PG base (or PG/VG blend, and/or a different mg/mL strength), and/or you wanted more or less flavoring(s), then the numbers (both percents and volumes) would change.)
    The other thing I would point out (and the reason I quoted your sentence a second time:blush:), pertains to what he isn't telling you. Yes, he is adding nic concentrate and making the premade e-liquid stronger. BUT, he is also diluting (weakening) the flavor concentration, AND altering the PG/VG ratio... by however much extra nic concentrate he adds. So if he is using VG based nic, he is diluting the flavor, and increasing the VG (while decreasing the PG) ratio. And, if he is using PG based nic he is diluting the flavor, and increasing the PG (while decreasing the VG) ratio.

    Will this be noticeable? It depends on how much he has to add, and your own personal awareness, perception, and sensitivity to the given recipe plus the adjustment. I imagine very few would pick up on a 1 or 2 percent change, while many (most?) would notice a 50% adjustment.


    Anyhow, I hope this helps you to understand how ingredients affect a recipe and its ratios, and not add to your confusion.
    Best of luck!
    Joel:toast:
     
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  7. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    Yes that was very good thank you. Yes I meant 100mg/ml in 100%vg base. I intended 70/30 as my ending results. I guess I will play with it and see how it goes for the first go at it
     
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  8. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Hi
    Can you use a web based calculator that may be more complete?
    http://www.steam-engine.org/juice.asp
    The java app seems poorly constructed.

    Cheers
    I

    P.S. Convention uses PG/VG. The "70/30" above implies 70PG and 30VG.
     
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  9. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    I'm glad it helped.:)

    If you want a 5% flavor, 30P/70V, 26mg/mL nic (using a 100mg/mL nic concentrate in 100%VG)... This is your recipe:
    upload_2017-10-11_4-8-50.png
    Just substitute your flavor concentrate for the "Watermelon (LA)" line (I still have no clue what you really intend to use).

    Note that:
    Because of the constant batch size (15mL)(this dictates the actual volumes of the percentages)
    and the constant target nicotine level (26mg/mL; using 100mg/mL nic concentrate in 100%VG)
    and constant flavor percentage (5% flavor concentrate)

    The only volumes (mL) to change from your original screenshot; are the amounts of additional PG and VG. The PG went up (from 2.58mL/17.2% to 3.75mL/25%) and the VG went down (from 7.77mL/51.8% to 6.6mL/44%).

    Now your PG (5% PG flavor + 25% additional PG = 30% total PG) is at 30% total volume.
    And your VG (26% 100mg/mL VG nic + 44% additional VG = 70% total VG)is at 70% total volume.

    Starting to make sense?
    :D
     
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  10. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    Because you (@Izan) suggested Steam Engine; I was going to take a second screenshot of the same recipe plugged into Steam Engine, to show WayneL the continuity in the numbers... but they didn't agree. This is the calculator I use (same screenshot as in previous post):
    upload_2017-10-11_4-50-20.png

    and this is Steam Engine:
    upload_2017-10-11_4-53-54.png
    Note that the plain PG and VG volumes (mL) don't agree.:confused: Any thoughts on why? (genuine question; I'm not poking fun at you, or Steam Engine) It shouldn't be due to differences in weight; as volume is independent of specific gravity.

    Math supports my calculator's numbers: 44%(VG) of 15mL is 6.6mL<0.44 x 15 = 6.6mL>; and 25%(PG) of 15mL is 3.75mL <0.25 x 15 = 3.75mL>.

    Nic and flavoring percentages/volumes seem to be fine for both. It is only the PG and VG numbers.

    Steam Engine is calling for 44.8% (VG) <6.72mL ÷ 15mL = .448(or 44.8%)>, and 24.2% (PG) <3.63mL ÷ 15mL = .242(or 24.2%)>. It still works out to 100%/15mL (with the nic and flavor included), and I doubt that most people would notice that little of a difference, but I can't understand why the numbers ore off (0.8% high for VG and 0.8% low for PG; as far as I can tell <44.8% + 26% ≠ 70%> and <24.2% + 5% ≠ 30%> and those "≠" are "does NOT equal" symbols; just in case your eyes are as bad as mine;)).

    I would be curious if you (or anyone else) can help me understand the difference.:)
     
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  11. Izan

    Izan Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 1, 2012
    Mallorca, Spain
    Great catch @IDJoel !
    I'm an EJMU guy so I don't spend much time with the other calculators.

    So isn't this interesting.....
    SE seems to be the odd man out. (email sent to the DEV)

    fail.jpg

    I've been poking at many of the calculators to see if I can replicate the SE error... I can't.
    Granted it is fractions of a ML, but I can't for the life of me figure out how SE is getting it's figures.


    OP: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: I embarrassed... I hope you got it sorted despite my (poor) SE recommendation.

    cheers
    I


    Separate issue: @IDJoel Me thinks your nic base weight is off: VG nic should have a value higher than 1g/ml.
     
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  12. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    The flavor is a sample pack from where I ordered the other stuff just trying to see if it's for me(diy juice).. ty for the recipe ss
     
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  13. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    Thanks for all the input I will try some things. I made this one last night and used hot water bath speed steep for 3hrs.its vape able but would have liked more flavor. I did take .25 from nic and add too flavor and + - the pg/vg to make them half ml cuz that's what I could measure
     

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  14. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    Great catch; thanks! That was part of a multi-vendor nic buy and I forgot to set the corrected weight when I input them. I actually had two that needed adjusting.:facepalm:

    Thanks again @Izan!:thumbs::D
     
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  17. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    I downloaded ejuice labs app is alot better..@izan still only pg/vg for nic not 50/50
     
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  18. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    Might want to dig deeper @WayneL. I looked at the description on Google Playstore and saw this screenshot:
    upload_2017-11-1_17-24-31.png
    as well as this notion in its description:
    upload_2017-11-1_17-27-31.png

    I don't know if this is part of the free version, or if you have to upgrade to the paid version (I noticed Google notes "In App purchases"), but it might be worth searching for instructions/documentation.
     
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  19. WayneL

    WayneL Full Member

    Oct 2, 2017
    Could be it's only 1.99 to purchase. I use 100% vg on my nic so I am good like it is. I also like that I can switch it to drops so I can drop the nic instead of pulling the drip tip and syringing it out Screenshot_20171101-193637.png Screenshot_20171101-193644.png
     
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