Experienced builder with RDA's, searching for a low-capacity dual-coil RTA (requirements listed)

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I've been building on rda's for several years now, and have built just about every type of coil build out there from thin-gauge single microcoils, to dual staple staggered fused Clapton coils, and everything in between. I've settled on simple dual-coil builds for my typical day-to-day use, but also enjoy making some more exotic builds from time to time.

I'm looking for an RTA for convenience when I'm out and about, but since for the past few years I've only been following developments with rda's, I'm basically clueless when it comes to RTA's. Here are my criteria:

  • Small juice capacity and relatively compact: I switch out flavors constantly with my RDA's, so I would like to have a small juice capacity in an RTA, something on the order of 2 - 3 mL. I also want it to be compact in overall size. I can go with up to a 25 mm diameter, and might actually prefer a 24 or 25 mm RTA (if there even are any with a small juice capacity) if it is shorter in height compared to a 22 mm RTA.
  • Dual coil deck: I run with dual coil builds in my RDA's probably about 90% of the time, so this is a must. Support for single-coil builds would be nice, but it is definitely not a requirement.
  • Two post deck: Whether it is a Velocity-style deck, a clamp system like the Goon RDA, or just a simple deck with a single positive post hole and a single negative post hole doesn't matter too much. I really like the clamp system on my 24 mm Goon, so an RTA with a similar deck would be great, but as long as it has a two post deck I will be happy.
  • Works with short wick tails: I've always gotten better performance in my RDA's which don't have an extra deep drip well, only needing very short wick tails to reach the bottom of the well. In my experience with RDA's, shorter tails wick juice more efficiently than longer tails, so I find myself using my RDA's with moderately deep juice wells (like the 5 mm well on my Goon) much more than my Lush, Magma, and Holmes V2, all of which have rather deep juice wells.
  • Moderately loose draw: Most of the time, I don't vape MTL, but I also don't do "true" direct lung hits either. It's kind of hard to explain the way I vape -- part goes into my lungs, but a good part also stays in my mouth, and I exhale it all (without first inhaling what's in my mouth). My Goon RDA with two of its 3 mm air holes open on each side is my "perfect draw". From time to time, however, I do like to close off the airflow and vape MTL, or set it wide open and do direct lung hits, so an adjustable airflow with enough range to do either would be awesome. But I know I am already asking a lot from an RTA, so as long as it can support a draw similar to a total of four round 3 mm air holes, I'll be happy.
  • Flavor is more important that clouds, but not by much: I do love being able to blow large clouds, but overall, better flavor is preferable. Since I mix my own juice, I can always adjust the amount of flavorings to help make up for an atomizer's lack of flavor. And since I already own multiple RDA's which are quite capable of great vapor production that I can turn to if I'm in the mood to blow massive clouds, I'm a bit more flexible with this criteria than the others.
  • Works with high VG juice...: I mix my juice with VG, and use PG-based flavoring and PG nicotine. Depending on the total flavor concentration of each recipe, the final product ends up somewhere between 75% VG / 25% PG and 85% VG / 15% PG, so the RTA I go with must be able to run well with fairly thick juice. I suppose I could buy some unflavored PG to mix juice specifically for an RTA which meets my other needs, but I'd prefer to avoid having to do so if at all possible.
  • ...vaped at 50 - 75 watts: My "go-to" build on my RDA's is a 24 gauge 0.5 ohm dual coil, and depending on the specific juice, I will vape it at somewhere between 50 watts and 75 watts. Having the capability of handling even higher wattages is of course a plus, but is definitely not a requirement.
  • Supports coil diameter of at least 2.5 mm: Depending on the build space of each of my RDA's, I use 2.5 mm - 3.5 mm diameter coils. Going with a smaller diameter has never worked well for me with the high-VG juice and the wattages I vape at, so having enough room for at least a 2.5 mm diameter dual coil build is what I am looking for. If it can handle larger than 2.5 mm diameter coils, that would be great, but I'l be happy as long as it supports 2.5 mm diameter builds.

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but as I have absolutely zero experience with RTA's and have never kept up with what's available in the RTA department, you can probably understand the difficulty I am having wading through the huge variety of RTA models currently available. Any recommendations on an RTA which meets as many of these criteria as possible is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for reading through my very long list of criteria -- I doubt there is one which meets them all, but I am hoping that there exists an RTA which at least meets most of them.
 

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Thanks so much everyone for all of the excellent recommendations. I'm surprised that there are so many RTA's to choose from that have exactly what I am looking for. With all of my (very) specific criteria, I wasn't at all optimistic that there would be any RTA's which met them, but it looks like I have several different models to choose from, and can even take the subjective opinion of appearance into consideration when I make my final selection.

At first glance, the Moonshot and the Sapor look to be my top choices, but I'll be spending some time researching all of the suggestions and checking out reviews of each of them.
 

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After doing some additional research, I've come up with five that meet all or most of my criteria:

  • Goblin Mini V3
  • Griffin 25 Mini
  • Mage
  • Moonshot 24
  • Sapor RTA (22 mm version)

The Mage looks like it will do everything I want, but I am concerned about some of the reports of poor build quality. Can anyone with this tank chime in on their thoughts about its build quality?

Any other thoughts on the Mage, or any of the other RTA's in my list?
 
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I've been building on RDA's for several years now, and have built just about every type of coil build out there from thin-gauge single microcoils, to dual staple staggered fused Clapton coils, and everything in between. I've settled on simple dual-coil builds for my typical day-to-day use, but also enjoy making some more exotic builds from time to time.

I'm looking for an RTA for convenience when I'm out and about, but since for the past few years I've only been following developments with RDA's, I'm basically clueless when it comes to RTA's. Here are my criteria:

  • Small juice capacity and relatively compact: I switch out flavors constantly with my RDA's, so I would like to have a small juice capacity in an RTA, something on the order of 2 - 3 mL. I also want it to be compact in overall size. I can go with up to a 25 mm diameter, and might actually prefer a 24 or 25 mm RTA (if there even are any with a small juice capacity) if it is shorter in height compared to a 22 mm RTA.
  • Dual coil deck: I run with dual coil builds in my RDA's probably about 90% of the time, so this is a must. Support for single-coil builds would be nice, but it is definitely not a requirement.
  • Two post deck: Whether it is a Velocity-style deck, a clamp system like the Goon RDA, or just a simple deck with a single positive post hole and a single negative post hole doesn't matter too much. I really like the clamp system on my 24 mm Goon, so an RTA with a similar deck would be great, but as long as it has a two post deck I will be happy.
  • Works with short wick tails: I've always gotten better performance in my RDA's which don't have an extra deep drip well, only needing very short wick tails to reach the bottom of the well. In my experience with RDA's, shorter tails wick juice more efficiently than longer tails, so I find myself using my RDA's with moderately deep juice wells (like the 5 mm well on my Goon) much more than my Lush, Magma, and Holmes V2, all of which have rather deep juice wells.
  • Moderately loose draw: Most of the time, I don't vape MTL, but I also don't do "true" direct lung hits either. It's kind of hard to explain the way I vape -- part goes into my lungs, but a good part also stays in my mouth, and I exhale it all (without first inhaling what's in my mouth). My Goon RDA with two of its 3 mm air holes open on each side is my "perfect draw". From time to time, however, I do like to close off the airflow and vape MTL, or set it wide open and do direct lung hits, so an adjustable airflow with enough range to do either would be awesome. But I know I am already asking a lot from an RTA, so as long as it can support a draw similar to a total of four round 3 mm air holes, I'll be happy.
  • Flavor is more important that clouds, but not by much: I do love being able to blow large clouds, but overall, better flavor is preferable. Since I mix my own juice, I can always adjust the amount of flavorings to help make up for an atomizer's lack of flavor. And since I already own multiple RDA's which are quite capable of great vapor production that I can turn to if I'm in the mood to blow massive clouds, I'm a bit more flexible with this criteria than the others.
  • Works with high VG juice...: I mix my juice with VG, and use PG-based flavoring and PG nicotine. Depending on the total flavor concentration of each recipe, the final product ends up somewhere between 75% VG / 25% PG and 85% VG / 15% PG, so the RTA I go with must be able to run well with fairly thick juice. I suppose I could buy some unflavored PG to mix juice specifically for an RTA which meets my other needs, but I'd prefer to avoid having to do so if at all possible.
  • ...vaped at 50 - 75 watts: My "go-to" build on my RDA's is a 24 gauge 0.5 ohm dual coil, and depending on the specific juice, I will vape it at somewhere between 50 watts and 75 watts. Having the capability of handling even higher wattages is of course a plus, but is definitely not a requirement.
  • Supports coil diameter of at least 2.5 mm: Depending on the build space of each of my RDA's, I use 2.5 mm - 3.5 mm diameter coils. Going with a smaller diameter has never worked well for me with the high-VG juice and the wattages I vape at, so having enough room for at least a 2.5 mm diameter dual coil build is what I am looking for. If it can handle larger than 2.5 mm diameter coils, that would be great, but I'l be happy as long as it supports 2.5 mm diameter builds.

I know I'm asking for a lot here, but as I have absolutely zero experience with RTA's and have never kept up with what's available in the RTA department, you can probably understand the difficulty I am having wading through the huge variety of RTA models currently available. Any recommendations on an RTA which meets as many of these criteria as possible is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for reading through my very long list of criteria -- I doubt there is one which meets them all, but I am hoping that there exists an RTA which at least meets most of them.[/QUOTE
 

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After doing some additional research, I've come up with five that meet all or most of my criteria:

  • Goblin Mini V3
  • Griffin 25 Mini
  • Mage
  • Moonshot 24
  • Sapor RTA (22 mm version)

The Mage looks like it will do everything I want, but I am concerned about some of the reports of poor build quality. Can anyone with this tank chime in on their thoughts about its build quality?

Any other thoughts on the Mage, or any of the other RTA's in my list?
I've got the mage I do and don't like it at the same time mine doesn't really leak but the build deck isn't really my first choice it's kinda cheap feeling,I do vape high vg juice as well I get flavor and vapor production,but I really enjoyed the amount of airflow I get from it its one of my favorite rtas right now next to the kangertech subtank
 

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The Merlin Mini is coming out in 2 weeks. Single or dual coil decks. Easy to wick. I like the looks of the Goblin Mini V3 but don't have one yet. I have the Mage and the Tornado Nano. Both are short-wick decks. Both have great flavor. I am in the 85% VG juice range and have had no leaking or dry hits running 0.18 to 0.3 ohm builds in them.
 

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After quite a bit of consideration, I decided to go with the Moonshot V2 (the 24 mm version) in black. The recommended wicking method for the Moonshot, that many people complain as being a pain, does not bother me one bit -- I actually prefer it to the "troll doll hair" wicking technique used on most of the other RTA's on the list. I never liked the way most people wick their RDA's, by just shoving (many call it "tucking" but the way most people do it is more "shoving" than "tucking") the wick tails between the coil and the edge of the deck. Instead, I fold my wicks out to the side, slide it underneath the coil, then push it to the edge of the deck. Shoving it directly often gets the wick bunched up. So the wicking technique on the Moonshot is close to the way I already wick my RDA's; the only difference is trimming the excess wick after the barrel is attached, then gently pushing in the few bits of cotton which couldn't be completely trimmed.

Also, the post holes on the 24 mm Moonshot are a bit higher than on the original 22 mm version, so you don't have to pre-bend the coil leads much at all (a major source of complaint). On the 22 mm Moonshot, the entire post holes are below the airflow hole, while on the 24 mm version, the center of the post holes is even with the top of the airflow hole.

So I was leaning towards the Moonshot V2, but was still hesitant. I kept reading and re-reading reviews and watching videos of the other RTA's on my list, hoping to find some bit of info which would sway my decision, but this just made me more and more frustrated. The final thing that pushed me in favor of the Moonshot V2 was the fact that a store which also carries the CLT V4 RDA that I've been meaning to buy for a long time (only a few stores carry it), also had the Moonshot V2 on sale for one of the lowest prices I've seen -- $26 for the silver, $27 for the black. And they had a $10 off coupon as well. So overall, I got the Moonshot V2, the CLT V4, two spare LG HG2 batteries, and a 30-foot spool of nickel wire for $77 with free shipping....not bad at all!

Thanks so much everyone for your help in choosing my first RTA! I'll report back with my thoughts on my new Moonshot V2 when it arrives.
 
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My black 24 mm Moonshot V2 was delivered today along with my CLT V4 RDA. It definitely is a sleek little tank, and is even smaller (shorter) than several of my RDA's. On top of my iTaste MVP 3.0 Pro, there is only a tiny bit of overhang which is barely noticeable, and it fits perfectly on my Cuboid without any overhang at all. The black Moonshot, with its black base and top with a silver chamber and chimney, complements both mods rather nicely, since both have a black and silver color scheme (well, black and grey on the Cuboid, since I got the grey version, but it is really just a dark silver).

Building on it was straightforward. I do not understand why so many people complain about builds on the Moonshot. Sure, it is not as quick and easy as my Goon RDA, or many of my other RDA's either, but it is not at all difficult. I started simple, with a 3 mm dual coil with 10 wraps of 24 gauge Kanthal, which reads 0.47 Ω.

My first wicking attempt was a disaster. I did not use enough cotton, and the juice holes did not have the wicks pushing against them completely, so it quickly leaked out the airholes. I was fairly certain it was going to leak, but I wanted to see how it did without the juice holes completely covered, so I only put enough juice to fill the tank above the juice holes.

My second attempt, with more cotton, worked perfectly. Absolutely no leaking even after several hours, and not a single dry hit. And the wicking technique is simple enough that I most likely will not have any problems in the future.

The flavor is rather impressive -- it is actually better than several of my RDA's. The small chamber and short chimney allow for quite intense flavor. Vapor production is also excellent, on par with my RDA's using a similar build. And despite the chamber size and chimney length, the vape is not any hotter than a similar build in an RDA. If anything, it is actually a bit cooler, especially compared to my smallest RDA's. That really surprised me.

The airflow control has a very wide range. Wide open it is almost as loose of a draw as my 24 mm Goon wide open, and closed off as much as possible (with only a tiny sliver open), the airflow is tight enough for MTL vaping. Between 50% and 75% open (depending on juice and wattage) is where I like it, with the airflow just right to do my usual "not-quite direct lung" vaping that I tried to describe in my original post above.

Build quality is great overall. I would have preferred that the barrel, which attaches to the chimney and attaches the deck to the base, had been made of slightly thicker metal, but it is still plenty strong enough as it is. It just would have been nice to have it more substantial, that's all. But everything is well-machined, all threads are nice and smooth, engravings are crisp and clear, and tool marks are nonexistent. Also, straight out of the box it was absolutely spotless, without even a hint of machine oil. It was so clean that I did not even have to wash it before throwing a build on, and there was absolutely no "off" tastes -- it was like vaping with an RDA that I just thoroughly cleaned.

So it has only been a day, but so far I am loving the 24 mm Moonshot V2. It is my first RTA after several years of vaping exclusively with RDA's, and it delivers performance on par with all but one or two of my RDA's. It will be awesome to have 3 mL of juice on tap ready to vape (and vape at an RDA-level of performance) when I am out of the house. Like every other vaping product I own, after some more time with it, I will discover some fault, but based on what I have experienced so far, whatever fault(s) I do find with my 24 mm Moonshot V2 will be rather nitpicky.

And all of this I got for $23.50 -- the sale price was $27, and with a coupon for $10 off a $75 purchase, when I deduct the proper portion of the coupon from my $77 purchase, I ended up paying just $23.50 for my black Moonshot V2.

Thanks again everyone for your help in finding this former RDA-only vaper a great rebuildable tank. You all are just as awesome as my new Moonshot V2 RTA! :thumbs::vapor::wub:
 
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