Experiencing some negative side effects (not for squeamish)

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Hi all, I am still new to vaping, but I've been doing it for the past few months and I like it. One of the things that I don't like however, is that when I vape, it will often cause some phlegm to come up from my chest and into my throat. Sometimes this can cause me to gag which even in this day and age is still not considered socially acceptable. On rare occasions I will gag and cough up a good mouthfuls worth of phlegm. Not the sexiest thing to have happen. Now I'm wondering if this may have to do with a VG/PG sensitivity, nic effects, or just overvaping maybe. I've noticed that this can happen at any time of the day and even on the first few puffs of the day sometimes, but it does seem to get worse when I chain vape.

Anyway, please help me sort this out, because I really enjoy vaping, but I don't like coughing up my lungs.
 

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Been off the stinkies for over a year and still bringing up rubbish off my chest. I was a rollup smoker with no filter for over 17 years.

I do find VG a little heavy on the chest, so have went to a 80/20 (80% PG 20% VG) DIY blend and noticed an improvement.

Could be a combination of too much VG and your lungs clearing. Could also be your body not liking PG. I'd experiment with some different ratios and see if any help.

Hope you get it sorted!

Edit - not noticed first post, welcome aboard ECF!
 
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    Actually I never smoked cigarettes before, I got into vaping because I always liked the prospect of smoking, but never wanted the negative health effects.

    Okay, that changes things :unsure:

    Are you drinking lots of water? If not, you need to ... more than you would ever think you needed to ;)

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    Actually I never smoked cigarettes before, I got into vaping because I always liked the prospect of smoking, but never wanted the negative health effects.

    I would try the new mix ... however, my guess is, it gets worse.

    then try 50/50

    I agree with WillyZ, it's probably the VG causing it.

    Also... you're vaping but never smoked, so now you get to deal with some of the stuff that we ex-smokers dealt with for years -- namely, coughing up crud. If you inhale anything other than air into your lungs, eventually you're going to cough it up, because that's what lungs do; if you don't cough it up, then eventually you get pneumonia.

    Most of us find that vaping causes a great deal less coughing-up than smoking did -- AFTER we've coughed our lungs clear of however many years of tar we put in there -- but then, to us, "less coughing" is much better than "coughing constantly," so we don't worry about it. But if you've never been a smoker and gotten to enjoy all that coughing and coughing-up on a regular basis, it seems like a huge deal that now you're coughing up crud. It's just how it works -- "inhale anything other than air into your lungs, eventually you're going to cough it up, because that's what lungs do".

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    I smoked for 25 years before vaping, and since switching, I haven't coughed up anything. :ohmy:


    I'm actually wondering what you guys are talking about, since I have not experienced this at all, and go through about 5-10 ml a day of juice.:unsure: But I only use premium juices, stuff that costs like $15-20 for 10 ml; never cheap stuff.:matrix:
     

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    I smoked for 25 years before vaping, and since switching, I haven't coughed up anything. :ohmy:


    I'm actually wondering what you guys are talking about, since I have not experienced this at all, and go through about 5-10 ml a day of juice.:unsure: But I only use premium juices, stuff that costs like $15-20 for 10 ml; never cheap stuff.:matrix:

    The "quality" is irrelevant. How long ago did you switch? It can take a while before the stuff inside starts making its way out -- as much as 3 months, which is about how long it takes for your lungs to regain normal function -- at a minimum.

    Besides which... no matter how much you pay for it, it all costs about the same to make... about 5-20 cents per ml.

    Andria
     
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    Hiya!

    I get something like this too sometimes. But easily addressed:

    I. You quit smoking sometime in the past 12 months. Your entire respiratory tract is beginning to heal and produce as much mucus as a healthy non-smoker, which is going to loosen up all kinds of nasty stuff from deep in your sinuses to the bottom of your lungs, not just tar but all kinds of stuff you inhale daily that a nonsmoker would have cleared out much sooner. This is one of the things that causes the infamous "quitter's flu." Everyone heals and clears at different rates, factoring in length of time and daily quantity at which cigarettes were previously consumed.

    II. VG ratio too high. Easily fixable.

    III. You are not drinking enough water. Even mild dehydration affects the thickness of your mucus; thicker mucus tends to hang around longer and pile up more than thin mucus, meaning you're going to end up hacking up some lumps every so often because it isn't clearning as quickly. Vaping nicotine dehydrates you in more ways than one, most of them having nothing to do with how water is "binding" to what kind of vapor and whatever. Nicotine itself increases loss of certain electrolytes and can deplete certain vitamins. This has nothing to do with smoking but the actual stimulating nicotine itself.

    IV. You are vaping too much, full stop. Irrespective of VG/PG ratio. Though vaping can dehydrate you, the vapor itself can also act like a humidifier or hanging out in shower steam, loosening stuff up in your tracts; it is, after all, vapor. (I sing for fun, not pay, and vaping has the same smoothing effect on my voice as steam, especially vs analog)

    V. You are vaping something that is irritating your tissues and triggering mucus production. This could be anything from a sensitivity to an ingredient, could be anything from the base, to flavors or additives like sweeteners, citric or malic acid (often used to either preserve flavors or enhance tartness or sourness of flavors, or both), or other flavor enhancers like acetyl pyrazine (enhances nutty flavors), vanillin, vape wizard, etc. It could also be caused by improper cleaning/reusing of atomizers with various chemicals, vaping alcohol

    VI. Here's the big one that nearly everyone in vaping forums miss, and is the very reason I created this account today (to post in some threads where people are asking about why they feel chest tightness, I have never seen this mentioned in any "chest tightness" threads AND IT SHOULD BE mentioned with all the other potential causes of tight feelings in chest and shortness of breath): NICOTINE ITSELF, AS A NICOTINIC AGONIST, IS CHOLINERGIC. It binds to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, mimicking acetylcholine. This in itself is neither a bad nor good thing, acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter like dopamine, serotonin, histamine, etc; it's all a matter of "how much" and keeping things balanced. Acetylcholine is one of the reasons mild-moderate doses of nicotine temporarily enhance memory and certain cognitive functions. Because of this, nicotine is sometimes used in nootropic circles, though not widely recommended due to less harmful methods of cognitive enhancement. It's also one of the reasons heavy smokers (AND heavy vapers) are likelier to suffer from depression and/or anxiety, insomnia, and general twitchiness in varying degrees. And it's why Wellbutrin (bupropion) has had some success as a smoking cessation aid: it's a nicotinic antagonist, blocking nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, decreasing the pleasure one gets from nicotine.

    More pertinent to this kind of discussion, however, is the fact that acetylcholine stimulates mucus production (this is why all prescription and OTC drugs that are anticholinergic have thirst/dry mouth-type side effects). Another way nicotine indirectly stimulates mucus production is through the glutamate-histamine relationship; nicotine increases glutamate release, which in turn stimulates histamine response. This also contributes to both positive and negative effects of nicotine on the brain/body. This will naturally effect different people in different ways.
     
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    to ecf AlexanderDeLarge. So glad you are here. There are many things that the new non-smoker experience. But many, many more benefits as you will feel. Let us know how you are doing. Lots of information around here but all lots of people that care.

    Here is a list of some symptoms you may experience.

    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-vaping/3305-list-symptoms-when-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html
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    I dont have a phd. And i really would much rather vape than smoke but inhaling massive amounts of vapor cant be healthy. When you think about it smoke rises and expands. but vapor is heavy and settles. Since lungs never fully contract can membranes and organ walls fully absorb everything this vapor carries? I feel it safer than smoking and definitely not as nasty
     

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    I kind of get a similar symptom, but mine is a quick bit of extreme nausea followed by one intense gag. Then it goes away. I get it the most with my morning vape (usually in the car with a cup of coffee). I've found it's related to VG - I was on max VG, and stepped it down to 50/50. That helped. Also I think it may be related to inhaling the vapor. As you might know, you don't necessarily need to inhale the vapor, unless it's your preference - you'll get plenty of taste (and nic, if you're after that) by just puffing it like a cigar or pipe. It's not as fun though, so my fix has been 50/50 VG/PG and also 50/50 mouth hits to lung hits. Nausea is mostly gone. I also switched suppliers for a bit and that seems to make a difference, though I couldn't say why...
     

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    Don't need to inhale vapor into your lungs at all, if you hold it in your mouth you will still get your nicotine. Don't forget that they make nicotine patches because that stuff can be absorbed through your skin, and especially don't forget why it's wise to wear gloves when mixing your own juice using 60+ mg/ml juice.

    Your entire respiratory system is coated with permeable tissues; exhaling slowly through the nose will also insure more nicotine is absorbed per hit

    On a personal aside: holding hits in my mouth without inhaling them is like starting to have sex, then stopping in the middle and walking off. My body is like literally - "...! go back and finish what you started". So I inhale lol
     
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