Too Good to be True?

[phantom2x]

Okay I have looked at resources and documentaries shown to me by others on these forums, but I still feel like I am inhaling something, feeling a similar feeling to cigarettes, and even getting a similar flavor to my old cigarettes with this new juice I picked up. I'm inhaling antifreeze for gods sake, does no one else think this must be bad for you? I like it more than smoking tbh and don't really mind all that much if it's bad for me, but can you really say that it's not? I don't mean just a bit, this must be quite bad for you to be doing all day every day like I currently am, no? I was vaping this morning with my coffee and I felt a sharp pain after a bit in my lungs, like I would with smoking. Is that harmless? Really?? I mean I haven't been having the pains throughout the day like with smoking, which leads me to believe it must be less harmful, as well as I don't cough and gag, and cough up black phlegm, but I DO get throat phlegm (although white, not brown, obviously due to the lack of tobacco). Anyone else's experiences???

 

[NicLiq]

You're not inhaling antifreeze, you're inhaling a product used to deliver asthma medication, and in my case, medication for transplant patients and people with autoimmune disease.

It's usually the cigarettes whispering to you when you start to have fears.

Maybe set some goals of reducing your nicotine level and eventually quitting altogether? Just don't go back to smoking. Whatever this is, it's not that.

 

[swedishfish]

Nope, not worried in the least. The antifreeze myth was dispelled ages ago. I did a ton of research before I started, talked to my doctor and I'm very happy with my decision to vape. Best thing I've ever done. You really need to do some research in the health section.

I ask this everytime someone posts something like this but I'm just so curious about the mindset. Did you or do you have any idea what is in cigarettes? The thousands of chemicals like lead, arsenic, etc. etc? That didn't freak you out but ejuice which is just flavoring, nicotine and a base of pg and or vg does?

The safest thing would be to quit. Short of doing that (because I can't) I'm happy vaping.

 

[Clutter]

Not enough research available to determine whether vaping carries health risks.
FDA and MHRA (UK) are trying to amass stats to show that it does
Commonsense must suggest that there is some risk to inhaling anything other than fresh air, and if you're in a major city the air comes with lovely little particulants and isn't exactly fresh anyway.
If you're having pain in your lungs you need to check it out with your doctor.

 

[swedishfish]

You're not inhaling antifreeze, you're inhaling a product used to deliver asthma medication, and in my case, medication for transplant patients and people with autoimmune disease.

It's usually the cigarettes whispering to you when you start to have fears.
Maybe set some goals of reducing your nicotine level and eventually quitting altogether? Just don't go back to smoking. Whatever this is, it's not that.

Bingo! I think you're probably right.

 

[phantom2x]

You're not inhaling antifreeze, you're inhaling a product used to deliver asthma medication, and in my case, medication for transplant patients and people with autoimmune disease.

It's usually the cigarettes whispering to you when you start to have fears.

Maybe set some goals of reducing your nicotine level and eventually quitting altogether? Just don't go back to smoking. Whatever this is, it's not that.

I never really saw myself without cigarettes until I saw a pv... but you're right, that is a great goal. And I would I guess say my ultimate goal. And you know, you're right, whatever this is, it's not that. I'll keep that in mind.

 

[phantom2x]

I know it's kinda silly, but not a fan of doctors. At all. I don't go to them, unless I'm in need of antibiotics for strep throat or something. Could I get a link of these FDA and MHRA studies??

edit: Because all I've seen from the FDA so far are silly claims like theyre appealing to kids, which I actually have to dismiss as a government tool to keep people smoking (since flavoured cigarellos are around...) Any decent ones from them yet??

 

[swedishfish]

Don't worry so much phantom2x. Maybe you should see a doctor about the pains. Try juice with no PG. Maybe that's an irritant to you. My mom started with 36 mg on Jan 1. I just placed an order for her from BWB for 6 mg nic and 0 mg. nic. Her goal is to give up nicotine entirely. But she has many health issues. Me, I'm just thrilled to not be smoking.

 

[Animeguy]

If you thinking PG is in antifreeze, go to grocery store and see how much food items had PG in it. I just saw some flavoring for water that has PG in it lol. People drink this stuff.

 

[imsoenthused]

I guess you do your research and you make your own decisions. I'm inhaling water vapor, flavoring, and nicotine. None of these particularly worry me. Your opinion of course may differ.

 

[phantom2x]

If you thinking PG is in antifreeze, go to grocery store and see how much food items had PG in it. I just saw some flavoring for water that has PG in it lol. People drink this stuff.

Yeah youre right, like I remember reading on the pack that formaldehyde was in cigarettes, and that certainly isn't allowed in foods. Swedishfish is right, I'm probably just worrying too much. Its good just to not be smoking cigarettes, even if this really doesnt seem much like it.

 

[stillalive]

Hi Phantom,
I was a non-smoker before vaping, and I also experience the mild white throat phlegm you're talking about. I can only vape 100% VG juices, but I still get it. It really doesn't concern me... I just clear my throat a little more often than usual. My throat sometimes gets a little irritated if I vape higher nic juices, but I've had surprisingly little health issues with vaping, despite not smoking before.

 

[swedishfish]

Yeah youre right, like I remember reading on the pack that formaldehyde was in cigarettes, and that certainly isn't allowed in foods. Swedishfish is right, I'm probably just worrying too much. Its good just to not be smoking cigarettes, even if this really doesnt seem much like it.

I think we all worried when we started, I know I did too. I also thought the same thing that you did- it's too good to be true. How can it be OK to do this?

I'm not on my computer and don't have my favs. I saved a lot of documents I found here on the board for my doctor. He didn't seem interested in reading them, but when I get on my computer, I'll give you the links I found.

Here's some info

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-e-cig-related-legal-medical-information.html

 

[NicLiq]

I never really saw myself without cigarettes until I saw a pv... but you're right, that is a great goal. And I would I guess say my ultimate goal. And you know, you're right, whatever this is, it's not that. I'll keep that in mind.

When I was feeling like you are, I would stare at a list of cigarette ingredients. Carbon monoxide was one that bothered me the most and I would think about inhaling it.

I never got paranoid about PG because I already knew it was in inhaled medication (that has many years of data), but I did get concerned about flavorings and the unknown total volume percentages. In order to combat that worry, I started making my own liquid, and one that made me feel safest was coffee because flavoring is less than 1%. Then I went back to flavors.

We finally have control over something that controlled us

 

[Astatine]

Phantom2x,

This is a legitimate question and I did wonder for a time if vaping is too good to be true. And I believe that one of my first posts on this forum was to ask a similar question.

After giving it some thought, I came to the conclusion that the answer probably doesn't matter all that much. I knew that cigarettes were terrible on the cardiovascular system, that my chances of ending my life early with lung cancer or dragging on with emphysima were high, I saw all the pics of blackened lungs, heard countless physicians advocating I quit, and much more. This was terrible! Did that stop me? No. Did that help me quit when I wanted to? No.

Who is to say what I would do if I learned of a health issue created by vaping? Probably would continue vaping...and probably for the same reasons I smoked so much, for so long.

I stopped wondering how good or bad vaping is in the absolute. When I had data on how harmful cigarettes are, I smoked anyway. So the fact that we don't know, yet, the long term chronic effect of vaping is not that disturbing any more. I volunteer as Guinea pig!

 

[NicLiq]

Don't worry so much phantom2x. Maybe you should see a doctor about the pains. Try juice with no PG. Maybe that's an irritant to you. My mom started with 36 mg on Jan 1. I just placed an order for her from BWB for 6 mg nic and 0 mg. nic. Her goal is to give up nicotine entirely. But she has many health issues. Me, I'm just thrilled to not be smoking.

Yay for your mom! That's amazing!

 

[MickeyRat]

Safety is relative. It's safer to drive a car with a seat belt on. It remains the most dangerous most people do on a regular basis, seat belt or no seat belt. Are PVs totally safe? I really doubt it. That's why I discourage non-smokers from using them. OTOH most of us are choosing between smoking and vaping not between vaping and not vaping. Then the scales tip a little differently. Then you are choosing between something that is known to cause harm and something that is not known to cause harm but, might. That's a different choice.

 

[phillydave]

I've had no side effects that you describe. I would suggest talking to your doctor if you are experiencing anything other than dry mouth, acid reflux, or any other side effect not related to using a stimulant. My health has improved markedly since I switched to vapor a month ago.

 

[Rosa]

Here is a list of 599 of the ingredients in cigarettes:
599 Ingredients added to Cigarettes

3 or 4 of these ingredients are also in the liquid we use in our e-cigs -- and none of those are carcinogens. It's not as if we are suddenly inhaling some crazy alien ingredients that we've never tried before, on the contrary we are NOT inhaling 596 of the ingredients on this list.

If you have the option to inhale only air, that is the best choice. But I see no evidence to show that eliminating 596 ingredient from our daily inhales is going to be more harmful than continuing with them.

 

[Susett]

I actually quit smoking a little over 3yrs ago. And I have to say that my chronic bronchitis is history..
But a few months ago I suppose with stress and things I wanted the comfort of smoking back. I want to smoke!
But of course I dont want to smoke! so I went around with straws again. ON a silly reality show one of the ladies was smoking a
e-cig and I started researching.
Ending with my doctor who says I can vape all I want but stay off the nicotine (diabetis).
Nothing can make me pick up cigs again because I dont want to have to quit again.. But ecigs are brilliant!
Now I just have to figure out how to make them work right lol
Best of luck finding whats best for you