external accurate LED voltmeter on a PV

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There was a big empty space in there... but those 14500's last soooo long I thought it would be nice to have an idea where the charge is.
(this one has a 510 atomizer mounted, by the way... I like it)


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As for a how to - it's simple but requires some work.

All LED's have a "turn on" voltage. You can measure it with most multimeters with a diode setting. Or you can rig up an LM317 with a pot and slowly creep up to the voltage until it turns on.

Then make a row of LED's and create a voltage divider with a couple resistors that makes exactly that voltage at each point you want to monitor.

Using small clear red LEDs like this you can easily get away with a 1K + x dividers. The entire string lit up full bright on a brand new battery draws only 9mA.
That's .009 amps. The atomizer draws about 1.5 amps. Wired to the push switch, it has no effect on battery life whatsoever.

On this one, the first
LED starts dim at 3v, and is full bright at 3.3 volts.
The next is dim at 3.3 and is full bright at 3.6 volts.
The next is dim at 3.6 and is full bright at 3.8 volts.
the last is dim at 3.8 and is full bright at 4 volts.

When the battery is full, all four are on bright. When it's dead, only the bottom one lights up. I chose 4, since all four LED's, from dim to bright, overlap slightly into the range of the next one, so it's a full scale. You can tell whatever volts it is very accurately - not just the 4 points.

Now the big bonus -

The worst thing about batteries, is at any random time in their life, they can still charge up full and appear to be good, but just start to work BADLY. This is internal resistance. It can happen overnight, or over time.
When you put a load on a good battery, the voltage should stay within a couple points.
A bad one will drop really fast, right down to 3.3v on a fresh charge, or even 3v and below.

With the onboard volt display, now I can see the voltage on the battery WHEN I am vaping on it. Any crappy batteries will show up right away because the LEDS willl taper down to dead very visually while you drag on it.

Plus I don't have to guess all day how full the battery is :)

A quick twist of the atomizer, push the button, and you can see the volts of the battery without a load on it too, or test the ones in your pocket in 2 seconds.
 

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nope, your just making a pretty bar graph with a couple milliamps. It can't hurt you.

If you don't know what a voltage divider is, you will have a steep learning curve though.

I wish I COULD just post a step by step - but all LEDs have different "on" voltages, so there just isn't a parts list I can post. You actually have to figure all all the resistor pairs on your own, dependent on the LEDs you buy :( sorry...
 

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framitz -
ya, I had lots of cool ideas too... but at 2AM last night when I was bored, looking at the empty space in there, and came up with this, I had to work with what I could scrounge up :)

kinabaloo - adding the LED didn't throw the divider calc math off at all, I did all the math on paper, stuck it in a breadboard, and it worked perfect. 2mA max each with dividers like 1K / 820, not a big load.

I've been trying to take pictures, it just doesn't turn out.... but it's very analog how the voltage/brightness slowly creeps up the leds. Way beyond what I thought it would be. It's leaps and bounds better than staged on/off LEDs as a voltage display.
I thought it was going to be more like a staged display - I was very pleasantly surprised.
 

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If draw almost no current from the divider it is accurate (such as with an op-amp input). But need a zener to get a reference point....

Yep, I have a whle tube of quad op-amps... and I actually had zeners in my hand last night thinking about this, but then figured why make something so complicated when two resistors will work fine...

Like I said, the analog effect is really nice, much better/more accurate than 4 on/off LEDs
 

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I have a roll of LEDs. I measured the fwd voltage of one with my DVM, and then played with that a bit with a variable power supply to fine tune where I wanted the "ON" point to be.

I then did the math (well I cheated with the first voltage divider java that popped up in Google
Voltage Divider Calculator) , stuck it together using 1K /x resistor dividers.
It works fine, as is from the calculated values

Each divider is separate from the next, nothing is chained together.
It is a simple 40 cent voltmeter - and works perfectly simultaneous with the atomizer.
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