FDA Regulations

[delinx32]

I'm not sure I understand the panic. If everything used as an ingredient in flavored juices is FDA approved (as professed by the eliquid companies), then what would stop the juice manufacturers from making 0mg (no tobacco) versions and selling them as food products, and then making "flavorless" nicotine additive that could be added to the flavored juice? Personally I vape 0mg so I'm not concerned about the nicotine, but it seems like it would be a viable option.

Also, a battery is a battery, you can't regulate them. A container is a container, you can't ban containers. The only part that makes it all do anything is the wick/coil. That an uh...coil with a little wick in it. You can't ban coils and cotton or you'd basically ban every electronic device in the world.

If you could ban "paraphernalia" then why can I walk down to the head shop and buy a bowl today?

Personally, I think a little regulation is a good thing. I have to search extra hard to find ingredients on eliquids, and when I find them I can't be sure that they are accurate because it is not regulated.

 

[Blargh]

I some what agree. Especially when selling flavoring, PG, VG, etc for DIY juice. I've been seriously vaping for 4 weeks. 2 Weeks in I started making my own juice. Not much different form food stuffs aside from the nicotine base.

As far as other type of paraphernalia I find it absurd that they are legalizing other things while posing restrictions on vaping stuff.

However, with most regulation, you allow a little bit and the next thing you know they are in your house watching you. I agree that perhaps some foreign juices need to be regulated as well as the low end junk that people push. However, I don't want to see many good small juice shops shut down because they can't comply with some paper work ridden, expensive and stupid regulation.

As far as the batteries and other hard accessories I see 100% no reason to regulate them. Flashaholics (flash light nuts) have been doing something similar to vaping for years with out any out cry. They have been moding, pushing the limits of batteries, adding LED arrays, etc. I know, I'm one of them. And its just not in that spectrum of small devices with batteries. You give a person a device and they will try an figure out a way to modify it. No matter how much the government or companies that make the devices try to lock them down.


BTW, where about in PA are you? I've lived there for quite a while in the past and driving up there this weekend to visit my parents. Heck, I still have PA plates and license.

 

[WillyZee]

if you don't use nicotine in your juice ... there's not much reason for you to worry.

you can just make your own zero nic DIY juice and vape on.

many vapers are not just looking out for their own nicotine needs ... many are fighting for all the smokers who have yet to start vaping ... smokers, who could possibly be cut off from obtaining nicotine juice.

oh, and BTW ... just incase you don't DIY ... BT is still gonna charge you the same taxes for their 0mg juice.

you may even have 6 flavours to choose from ... with 3 of them being tobacco

 

[delinx32]

In a world where you can buy parts and circuit boards online to build battlebots in your basement, there is no reason to regulate the parts to build a vape pen.

I'm in NEPA (poconos) these days. I'm from Pittsburgh originally, but I've been out here for nearly 15 years now.

 

[Waddle]

Access to "nicotine" I believe will be the big issue for most. Which begs the question, how many people here would still vape if they had to vape 0mg nicotine juice? Would you go back to cigarettes or continue vaping?

The vaping community is just too large and ubiquitous for the FDA, or the U.S. government, to truly regulate it. Much like guns or drugs in America.

China will certainly not stop manufacturing devices just because the U.S. doesn't allow them in their country. People will smuggle. The world is so much bigger than just the good old U.S.A.!

The war on drugs has been a massive failure and as such so will the U.S.A.'s government war on the use of e-cigs. There are just too many people that want it. Prohibition never works.

 

[delinx32]

if you don't use nicotine in your juice ... there's not much reason for you to worry.

you can just make your own zero nic DIY juice and vape on.

many vapers are not just looking out for their own nicotine needs ... many are fighting for all the smokers who have yet to start vaping ... smokers, who could possibly be cut off from obtaining nicotine juice.

oh, and BTW ... just incase you don't DIY ... BT is still gonna charge you the same taxes for their 0mg juice.

you may even have 6 flavours to choose from ... with 3 of them being tobacco

I agree with that, but when I started vaping, it was with a disposable swisher sweet "cigar flavored" ecig I bought in a gas station. It was my "gateway" into vaping. From there I bought a 21st century smoke menthol and tobacco flavor for several months. I tried a blu once and hated it. I finally bought an ehookah-stix apple and that's when I really fell in love.

I have just bought my first real vape pen and now have 3 flavors and just ordered the zamplebox subscription. I think smokers looking to kick the smoking habit are probably looking for the tobacco taste anyway.

My point was that our options would probably still be there, just a little different. The "flavors" wouldn't be taxed as tobacco products because they wouldn't have any tobacco. The nicotine additive would be taxed, but you could buy it in smaller quantities.

Your average smoker isn't going to walk into a vape shop and drop 80$ on a starter kit and liquid. They're going to buy a 5$ ecig in the gas station when they are picking up a pack of smokes.

 

[WillyZee]

I agree with that, but when I started vaping, it was with a disposable swisher sweet "cigar flavored" ecig I bought in a gas station. It was my "gateway" into vaping. From there I bought a 21st century smoke menthol and tobacco flavor for several months. I tried a blu once and hated it. I finally bought an ehookah-stix apple and that's when I really fell in love.

I have just bought my first real vape pen and now have 3 flavors and just ordered the zamplebox subscription. I think smokers looking to kick the smoking habit are probably looking for the tobacco taste anyway.

My point was that our options would probably still be there, just a little different. The "flavors" wouldn't be taxed as tobacco products because they wouldn't have any tobacco. The nicotine additive would be taxed, but you could buy it in smaller quantities.

Your average smoker isn't going to walk into a vape shop and drop 80$ on a starter kit and liquid. They're going to buy a 5$ ecig in the gas station when they are picking up a pack of smokes.

I like your optimism ... however, I do believe within 3 years ... we'll be talking about the good old days.

 

[delinx32]

I like your optimism ... however, I do believe within 3 years ... we'll be talking about the good old days.

I did find out yesterday that clove cigarettes had been banned. I was shocked by that. I smoked them when I was a kid, but I quit because there was a rumor going around that people would drop dead from smoking them. I don't know if it was true, we didn't have snopes.com and the internet to fact check every silly thing we heard back then.

I hope your are wrong, but fear you are right.

 

[r77r7r]

If it ends up that people in the future ( after FDA regs) can only obtain a fair priced ecig-like device that works well and doesn't taste horrible and use it for a few weeks to quit smokes- I'm happy with that. Just so they have Something better than gums and patches.

I could care less about all this stuff on ECF- the flavors, the mods, the RBA stuff- it can all be snuffed out.

I just want the pain and death to stop- and Soon!!

 

[p7willm]

The OP said the flavorings are FDA approved and that is partly true. They are approved for ingestion, not inhalation. There is at least one chemical that one chemical that was approved for human consumption that gave humans "popcorn lung" when they breathed it. Many of us owe our lungs to the brave workers at Orval Redinbacker's factory.

 

[R Coy]

If it ends up that people in the future ( after FDA regs) can only obtain a fair priced ecig-like device that works well and doesn't taste horrible and use it for a few weeks to quit smokes- I'm happy with that. Just so they have Something better than gums and patches.

I could care less about all this stuff on ECF- the flavors, the mods, the RBA stuff- it can all be snuffed out.

I just want the pain and death to stop- and Soon!!

I am glad you think everyone but you has no right to enjoy the pleasures of vaping. I am also positive that once we cede contol of the vape market to BT and BP by letting the feds regulate all the small operators out of existence we will have reasonably priced, effective alternatives.

 

[dice57]

Well, from watching government at work, since before the Vietnam war, which was never labeled as war at the time, was the "Vietnam Conflict". Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah, the powers that be can frak up a free lundh imho.

Have taken the view of the "Cold War" enthuses, because, make no mistake about what is happening, this is a war, Vape WAR.!! Have constructed my own version of the Cold War Vape War bomb Vape Shelter. Have laid in a supply of base, extracts, fiber & wire. Am good for 18 Months, and have shipments in transit for 2016-17. Will pull the backup out of cryogenic storage, using a deep water bath convection thaw, replacing the new shipment into cryo storage.

Then will go alias, become a newbie, and use unverifiable email accounts. and try to be a ghost in the system. Once 2018 hits, and the vape clouds have settled in, will pop back up and see what's what.

Paranoid? well, maybe a tad, prefer to view it as more being a boy scout, their motto "Be Prepared" making great Vape sense to me.


Vape long and Prosper.!!!!

 

[ronnbert]

If it ends up that people in the future ( after FDA regs) can only obtain a fair priced ecig-like device that works well and doesn't taste horrible and use it for a few weeks to quit smokes- I'm happy with that. Just so they have Something better than gums and patches.

I could care less about all this stuff on ECF- the flavors, the mods, the RBA stuff- it can all be snuffed out.

I just want the pain and death to stop- and Soon!!

Just because flavors, mechs, RBAs, and RDAs aren't your cup of tea, doesn't mean you have to diss them. For some, that is what it takes to keep from going back to smoking. Just because I don't use Cartos like you doesn't mean I don't support them staying legal to help people stay smoke free. Even though we prefer different methods of use, our community as a whole should stick together to keep everything possible available so that people DO have choices in how they vape. I am not coming from a position of anger or hate, I just think that (to quote an awesome band and ending to an epic song): together we stand, divided we fall.