I wish the FDA...

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dr3day

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...would clarify their position on the ecigs that they tested which contained cyanide, or whatever the case. They make a blanket statement to the public announcing ecigs as hazardous, but fail to mention that the physical devices are in compliance with FDA standards, its the foreign ejuice companies that are lacking in quality control.

Look, I understand the FDA's position - these crappy smokeanywhere mall booths are giving ecigs a bad name, and in that respect I applaud the FDA for stepping up and saying that there ARE hazardous materials in THOSE cartridges, because truth be told that's something the public needs to know. I know I'm concerned about those chemicals in my ejuice, and so I don't fault the FDA for relaying the information to the public. Nor do I believe the FDA wants to outright ban ecigs - I think they understand that electronic cigarettes, if properly used and regulated, have the potential to benefit millions of smokers out there. I think deep down they also realize how hypocritical it is to ban a product with traces of one or two hazardous substances when they allow cigarettes, which contain hundreds of carcinogens, to be sold. But their lack of properly reporting is doing discredit to FDA registered companies like Halo and Johnson Creek, who set examples in their ejuice quality assurance process.

Hey FDA, how about doing tests on Halo and JC ejuice and reporting those findings? Or if theres no findings theres nothing to report?
 

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I dont beleive the FDA has any desire to 'allow' Ecigs at all - they want them off the market - like their sponsors in ASH and ALA and State tax revenue bodies who'd go broke if smokers actually ceased smoking altogether.
I'd LOVE to believe the FDA cared about our health over and above everything else, but they approved Chantix, which has killed people, so I don't.
 

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...would clarify their position on the ecigs that they tested which contained cyanide, or whatever the case. They make a blanket statement to the public announcing ecigs as hazardous, but fail to mention that the physical devices are in compliance with FDA standards, its the foreign ejuice companies that are lacking in quality control.

Look, I understand the FDA's position - these crappy smokeanywhere mall booths are giving ecigs a bad name, and in that respect I applaud the FDA for stepping up and saying that there ARE hazardous materials in THOSE cartridges, because truth be told that's something the public needs to know. I know I'm concerned about those chemicals in my ejuice, and so I don't fault the FDA for relaying the information to the public. Nor do I believe the FDA wants to outright ban ecigs - I think they understand that electronic cigarettes, if properly used and regulated, have the potential to benefit millions of smokers out there. I think deep down they also realize how hypocritical it is to ban a product with traces of one or two hazardous substances when they allow cigarettes, which contain hundreds of carcinogens, to be sold. But their lack of properly reporting is doing discredit to FDA registered companies like Halo and Johnson Creek, who set examples in their ejuice quality assurance process.

Hey FDA, how about doing tests on Halo and JC ejuice and reporting those findings? Or if theres no findings theres nothing to report?

I give credit to the FDA for absolutely nothing. They are just another federal smokescreen bureaucracy under the thumbs of politicians bought and paid for by corporate interests IMNSHO. The corporate interests in this case being the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries. There's no change in Washington no matter what political party is in power. They're all crooks.
 
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dr3day

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If they regulated ecigs they would be able to charge taxes on it, at least offsetting some of that "lost money". Besides, if they approved it and it caught on, I'm sure companies like Marlboro and Camel would come out with their own ecigs. It would actually be a PR win for them - giving their customers a safer choice of nicotine consumption.

Obviously not all smokers would start smoking ecigs - some people just like analogs. I think in the end it would mean change, and not everybody would want to be onboard with it at first, but at the end of the day it would be win-win for everybody. If the major cigarette companies switched over to ecigs, the overhead savings would be astronomical. I cant imagine how much it costs to grow, maintain, cut, transport, package, and label cigarettes.
 

dr3day

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I give credit to the FDA for absolutely nothing. They are are just another federal smokescreen bureaucracy under the thumbs of politicians bought and paid for by corporate interests IMNSHO. The corporate interests in this case being the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries. There's no change in Washington no matter what political party is in power. They're all crooks.

The only thing I would ask is why they havent already banned ecigs. Its been banned in many countries around the world like Australia and Brazil, theyre receiving heavy pressure from Senators to ban them. They could have used their smokeanywhere testing to backup their reasons for banning the product. Why haven't they?
 

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The only thing I would ask is why they havent already banned ecigs. Its been banned in many countries around the world like Australia and Brazil, theyre receiving heavy pressure from Senators to ban them. They could have used their smokeanywhere testing to backup their reasons for banning the product. Why haven't they?

Bureaurocracies are inherently inefficient and slow to do anything unless under immediate pressure. E-cigs do not pose an overwhelming immediate threat to the tobacco or pharmaceutical interests as the masses have not yet embraced them. If and when that seems imminent watch them swing into action to "protect the public health". I long ago lost faith in the virtue of the US government. I've been lied to too often and caught just a few too many firsthand glimpses into just how things work.
 

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Don't hold your breath waiting on proof they are bad. If something was found, you would not need to ask, they would put it out. PG is used in medical inhalers like for asthmas and nebulizers as a very safe delivery system of medicine.
First is say it's bad & ban. Next is run tests for years looking for something.
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By Jeff Stier, associate director, American Council on Science and Health
 
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