First month with a new friend

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Hello and Thank You to everyone here.

Big milestone under my belt, 1 month analog free and a good distance down the learning curve.

First, a small bit of background:

I am currently an RN with 8 years experience in surgical/trauma and was a computer & software engineer for 25 years before that so medicine and electronics are nothing new. I smoked 1.5 PAD since I was 12 and just turned 55. Given I grew up in a house with LOTS of side-stream and second-hand smoke before picking up the burning leaf myself. I was recently taken very ill with bronchitis and pneumonia during which it hurt to smoke. I had to find another way to deal with the habit knowing that I'd be around other friends and family who smoked. I tried using a cheap drug-store ecig and I could tolerate that where the analogs were out of the question. The decision was clear, go with an electronic alternative, or continue to put my lungs at risk for worse damage with analogs.

My setup (thanks to lots of reading here on ECF):

Hardware:
2 Joyetech 510 XL auto batteries and 150mA charger
1 Joyetech 510 standard atty & drip tip (for trying ejuice & blends)
2 Joyetech 510-T atty's (rotating them between cleaning)

2 Joyetech eGo-C 1000mAh batteries and 420mA charger
2 Vision/Thor CE4 2.0 CC Clearomizers 2ohm (1 spare, 1 working)
5 2ohm heads for the Clearo's

Juice:
Soldier's Blend at 18mg - night vape loaded into a 510-T cartridge
Coffee 24mg::Whiskey 18mg - 50/50 blend to make a 21mg Irish Coffee for craving / flavor break
Camel 24mg::pipe 18mg::Vanilla 12mg - 50/20/30 blend to make a 19mg blend for daily vape in the clearo
Chocolate Covered Cherry 18mg - 75/25 VG blend for fun and as an alternative to harder flavors

Observations:

Getting the hang of vaping vs smoking takes some practice. Hitting a cig-a-like like an analog is not going to be too satisfying. Pulling the clearo at full lung will likely overwhelm most new vapers. Experiment with technique! I would liken vaping more to pipe or cigar smoking, it works (and tastes) better to draw into the mouth then inhale as so many recommend.

You can get sick on nic once you learn to vape effectively, keep some low nic around (I used the 12mg Vanilla straight to get a break). Getting nicotine in your system from vaping is definitely not as fast as from an analog. The result is that I would vape more than I needed, only to find this out too late. I found it took time to learn how much I needed to vape, what strength and when. If you're new like me, just keep experimenting to find your right combination.

There is no one-to-one correlation with the smoking habit. I found like so many others, there is a great difference between vaping and smoking. After I found my balance the analogs were no longer useful or desirable. While a cigarette seemed to satisfy, I found switching flavors / strengths to be quite useful and ultimately more enjoyable than smoking ever was. Be aware that there is no way any tobacco flavor will taste like the burning leaf version, that is a matter of chemistry and physics and is the key reason vaping is a healthier alternative than burning leaf. Learn to adjust, have fun, explore! I would never have thought of inhaling a chocolate covered cherry, but I tried a well blended juice and enjoy the flavor a lot.

Be discrete in public. Yes, learn to stealth vape, and its okay to vape in restroom stalls or other private areas. There is no smell unless you're using a strong flavor and that only lasts a very short while (less than room deoderizers). But I found the old addage true, you catch more flys with honey than vinegar. I found if I ask, permission is often granted plus I get an opportunity to teach about this new alterative to burning leaves. Never pass up an opportunity to help our cause with a careful and considerate approach.

Equipment needs maintenance. The 510 attys use a steel bridge that will get gummed up after a while and alter the flavors. Best solution for cleaning appears to be Ethyl Alcohol [ETOH] (100 proof cheap Vodka is 50% ETOH/50% H20 and works great). Tried blowing, boiling, water, Laquer Thinner (wood alcohol), Isopropyl alcohol. Blowing out (either mouth or canned air) gets rid of excess liquid but doesn't touch the gunk. Water, boiling or not, does do some good but hard burnt gunk is left behind. Alcohols are great solvents though they leave behind a residue; both isopropyl and denatured wood alcohol are dangerous when heated and left behind a film when allowed to air dry. Vodka worked and left no film, dried fast in open air, and wasn't dangerous.

Clearomizer wicks do have a life-span. The coil will likely outlast the wick. Pay attention when cleaning them as the burnt broken threads will shed. When I got down to 50% of wick I have to put a new head in. Cleaning the heads is the same as for the 510's but much less frequent. I clean the 510's about every 3-4 days (the Irish Coffee is very dark and gums up quickly in the drip atty, while the 510-T has a small spike that gets gummed up quickly too) so having spares helps. I found I get about 7-8 days on the clearo before I have to clean the head. I do get rid of the darkened fluid every few days.

Batteries and charging. I use the manufacturers chargers and run the batteries down till they blink then charge them up till the charger kicks over to green then remove them. So far no memory effect and I get a day of vaping on a set (one eGo-C and one 510 XL). I can't say anything about lifespan yet as they're all going strong still. I also don't know if the chargers kick over to a trickle charge mode when they're done, if they do then leaving them on the chargers could shorten the battery life. Lithium batteries lifespans are in full charge cycles thus if you charge a half charged battery twice you use one cycle. They ]don't like being half charged then discharged so the best bet is to use them up and charge them fully. FWIW: Most of this I learned years ago from battery engineers on various projects.

Have spares is a common theme for those of us who are new, and I can't emphasize that enough either. I have found that the equipment I have is a very workable system. Once the initial investment in hardware is made, adding an atty, head or battery to an order isn't hard and I'm still spending less than I did on a carton of analogs (even with the shipping). Beware, it's easy to suffer from G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition Syndrome). I set my budget to max out at a carton of analogs every two weeks and I can more than get enough gear and juice to keep me and my wallet happy.
 

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Nice post Bruce! And congrats for your 1 monthaversary!!!! Glad to meet another vaper in Nebraska too!!!

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Wow, great post. Some of the things you mention, I don't have issues with. I mainly use a Vivi Novas and Stardusts now,
but do have attys with cartridges for back-ups. I de-bridge all attys, got that problem out of the way right away! ;)

Don't have an issue with burnt wicks at all on the Vivis or the Stardusts, I don't really know how that happens? But I start
out with longer wicks, and I'll snip off the ends if ever needed (something I've read here before) to gain mileage.

I run eGo 1000mAH, eGo 1000mAH Twist and eGo 650mAH. Not one has died on me yet. And they get a work out. I normally
can vape all day on one 1000 with a full Vivi. Nicotine has been known to be good for memory, it's the rest of the chemicals and
additives in the analogs that are the most harmful. All my juice is 18mg, I don't really deviate. I started on 24mg, and moved
down a bit, but I've never "od'd" on the nic, so all is well.

Great post, hope to see you around the boards - great group here!
 

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Congratulations and thanks for all the good tips, Bruce.
I'm not sure, but I was wondering if your suggestions about battery recharging are in conflict with those made in the ECF library sticky titled http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html
about a third of the way down, under Li-ion rechargeable, it is stated that they have no charge memory like the old Ni-Cad and that they can be charged at any point of the discharge cycle without ill effects. In fact, they may live longer if not fully discharged.
 
@foggybottom: There isn't really a conflict, the information you cite is correct. My point was that it wasn't good to start using a battery that wasn't finished charging. Though there isn't a 'memory' problem like NiCad or NiMHi batteries have, it still leaves an incomplete chemical reaction that shortens battery life if done repeatedly. To summarize:

It is okay to charge at any point in the discharge cycle.
It is bad to discharge at any point in the charge cycle (except full of course).

It is the chemical electrolyte that eventually wears out that is the main reason for battery failure. That's also why trickle charging is not good for them if done excessively, it dries out the electrolyte. Which brings up storage of batteries, it is best to store batteries fully charged. Over time they will lose a little charge (if left for a year unused, my other Lion's will retain about 80 - 85% of charge at room temperature). Storing them less than fully charged can cause salt crystals to form in the electrolyte and that dramatically shortens their life. I doubt anyone will encounter that problem, I only do because I have multiple ham and emergency radios to contend with.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding I may have caused.
 

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Yup, agreed and cleared up. I think I reacted to your statement that "best bet is to use them up and then recharge them fully" while the ECF library source actually states that "recharging them before full discharge extends their service life". Wonder why that would be, anyway.
BTW, what happens to your clearomizer wicks that you have to trim them? I thought they're made of silica, hence non combustible at the usual operating atomizer temps of about 160 F. Could they be getting gummed up with flavoring?
 
I use a 2 ohm (1.8 - 2.2ohm measured) head in the Clero. It's a little hotter than the standard 2.4-2.6 ohm units. The heat will fracture the silica in the wick leading to shedding. Each time I clean I twist the wick tight and pull a little through the sides of the head to get the burnt juice out and to 'de-fur' the wick. The bulk (diameter not length) of the wick will decrease from this operation. It took a solid month (and remember too I was learning and did things a with less finesse) to wear out the first head's wick. I'm on number two, using alcohol, being a bit gentler (like twisting before I pull through) and the wick is tolerating it much better. I'll bet I get more than a month from this head. Practice makes perfect, and it's all about the practice :laugh:.
 

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I use a 2 ohm (1.8 - 2.2ohm measured) head in the Clero. It's a little hotter than the standard 2.4-2.6 ohm units. The heat will fracture the silica in the wick leading to shedding. Each time I clean I twist the wick tight and pull a little through the sides of the head to get the burnt juice out and to 'de-fur' the wick. The bulk (diameter not length) of the wick will decrease from this operation. It took a solid month (and remember too I was learning and did things a with less finesse) to wear out the first head's wick. I'm on number two, using alcohol, being a bit gentler (like twisting before I pull through) and the wick is tolerating it much better. I'll bet I get more than a month from this head. Practice makes perfect, and it's all about the practice :laugh:.

I've been alternating between a Kanger T2 and a Stardust knock-off for the past month and haven't noticed any degradation of the wicks, possibly because I vape on the coolish side (around 6-7 watts), vape mostly lightly colored RY4 and maybe don't vape as much. So many variables!
I was trying to figure out the chemistry underlying the damage caused by partial charging of a Li-ion battery and failed, but came across this site where, surprisingly, it is claimed that a partial charge is better than a full charge for the battery. Go figure.
 

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