Reading this thread while squonking some 50/50 unflavored (random chance - I like my flavors and this stuff does concern me).
Five Pawns responds with own results!!
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I find it interesting so many feel vaping is harmless because its been around a while and there is no proof anyone has had lung damage from it, but just like smoking, lung issues can take a decade or more to become evident. There's also the fact that many vapers were smokers, so any issues could just be attributed to being a former smoker. It will be the never smokers who vape who will be the ones to watch, perhaps in a decade or more...
do you really think a company that charges $27.50 for a 30ml bottle cares about you, or your health?? i mean really??
they are willing to put you into the poor house, so they probably don't care if you end up in the hospital too
they are willing to put you into the poor house, so they probably don't care if you end up in the hospital too
do you really think a company that charges $27.50 for a 30ml bottle cares about you, or your health?? i mean really??
they are willing to put you into the poor house, so they probably don't care if you end up in the hospital too
Same goes for the company charging $19 for 30 ml.
Of coarse there results will be lower! they sent in the sample, wonder if anyone at the test lab actually vape any of the samples to see if they were diluted? I tend to have more faith in Cloud9's result
You are not alone. I was thinking the same, whenever I vape castle long for few days as an ADV, it results few sore throat and cleaning throat tickling. I also make my own juices, and I do know each fivepawns liquids have at least %35 %40 flavor. As the owner said, we make our liquids %50 PG/VG due to complexity of our flavors. So they use %35 - %40 flavor on each liquid, thats why they are unable to make high vg liquids, %40pg comes from flavors also thats why AP and DA breake the records on their liquids lol. This is too much.
I have cloned grand master %100, I worked on it about a year. If you want the recipe, I share it free. Just sent me a PM. And surely, Diacetyl, AP free.
There is no need to do that, it has 4 flavors, 2 of them from Perfumers DX series which is Acetoin and AP free already. The other 2 of them are capella v2, acetoin and ap free. All capella v2 and Perfumers DX series are acetoin and AP free. Such as Perfumers Apprentice - DX Banana Cream and I'm sure FP uses the normal version of this flavor. So I have already fixed the issue from its root few months ago. After this DA and AP issues are raised, flavor companies are already released their v2 versions for many flavors, I dont know why people dont focus on them. I guess, because of the taste, they removed the acetoin and inserted butyric acid in flavors, but unfortunately it does not give the desired taste like acetoin gives. However, it is healthy.
All coming from Cloud 9. When they came out with their results there was no email posted to FP, which they sent.
The haters will hate no matter what.
I vape Five Pawns Gambit.
Here is the Cloud 9 test results for Gambit. What am I missing which is so dangerous to my health?
Not only Cloud 9, if you listen to the click bang recording - he asked 5P for their results ages ago and didn't get them and he was assured they were diacetyl & ap free.
0.2% Acetyl Propionyl means, 2000PPM, 2000PPM means, 2000 micrograms. So there is 2000microgram AP in that tiny sample liquid which is tested and it is probably 1ml. If it has 2000 microgram AP in 1ml and if you vape 5ml gambit per day, you are getting 5x2000 = 10.000 microgram Acetyl Propionyl daily. The worlds accepted daily Acetyl Propionyl exposure safe limit is 135 micrograms per day. This is what you are missing is so dangerous to your health. I'm not a hater, I was a FP customer too until this week. They need to sit their as.. and re-formule their liquids with DX and V2 version of flavors instead of showing 2014 their own test results.
They were always saying, our "hand crafted" flavors does not contain acetoin and diacetyl, yes they only make madacascar vanilla bean extract in house, this is of course does not contain acetoin lol. And they said hand crafted, so that if one day the truth is revealed, nobody can sue them. Their each liquid contains 5-7 flavors around %35 - %40. They were aware of other flavors and thats why they were not showing their test results in the past, until someone like cloud9 slap them.
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There is almost as much AP as nicotine in the juice. And Five Pawns claims this is a 50/50 juice. If you look at the tests as a whole Five Pawns is almost entirely unable to achieve a basic mix ratio or nicotine level which most DIYers could do in their sleep. If you want to completely throw the diketones out of the conversation Five Pawns is still failing at the most basic quality control levels. Haters gonna hate has nothing to do with it. The FDA is coming. We can clean up our act now or wait for the doomsday hammer. Your choice.
The problem I see with the testing is they are done on liquids, not the final product, which is what we inhale. From what I remember, the tests done on cigarettes are on the smoke, not the cigarette tobacco..
Have to give you a Tip of the Hat on that one steve.
Honesty says who, and says for how long? - no disrespect intended and not wishing to rain on anyone's parade BUT I suspect that numerous fear this, fear that can be discussed till the cows come home regarding Vaping, probably the only thing healthy is oxygen and I highly doubt that in downtown traffic. Living is just plain risky, as is eating, drinking, having sex, driving vehicles, walking down the street and worrying and fretting!
There is no need to test Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl on vapour steam. If they are exist in the liquid, you are inhaling them and their chemical functions are not damaged due to low heat. In tobacco cigs, they are burned and their harmful functions are destroyed when the person smoke it. Thats why nobody get popcorn lung from normal cigs. They have AP and DA too. When you vape the liquid, the flavors and its chemicals goes into your lungs and then quickly goes into your blood stream, which is a highly dangerous action. In normal conditions when you eat a food flavor, it goes into your digestive system and there it gets attacked by enzymes and acids, this makes AP and DA harmless in the digestive system. You dont have enzymes and acids in your lungs, you are completely disabling the defence system of your body when you inhale DA - AP, as they go into your blood stream in few seconds.
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I was always asking my self why castle long was gargling, poping too much in custom RBA builds, I see now in the tests it is at least %70pg lol
I also noticed that their liquids are fluid and i was asking my self why my %50 pg/vg diy liquids are not fluid like that lol, and now we also know where their premium throat hit comes from.
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Things change when temperature is introduced. They may be far worse after being heated...
Most high end e-liquids are greater than 50% PG...
Most high end e-liquids are greater than 50% PG...
Haters will hate ? What are you, fourteen ? I honestly don't care what you vape. Whats dangerous in those numbers to me is almost as much A P in the juice as nicotine i.e. 14 times the level considered safe by NIOSH in just one ml. Or 140 times the safe levels if one vapes 10 ml.
The only juice of theirs i vaped was castle long and perpetual check and luckily that one was safe, What makes me angry is they flat out lied to me when i called them after the SB controversy.
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And yet he is not aware, he is getting "2000 microgram AP in 1ml gambit according to test result he showed". If he vapes 5ml, that means he is getting 10.000 micrograms AP per day. The safe limit of daily exposure AP is 135 micrograms for human.
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