Flavoring Concern

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SikVapor

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There is a discussion going on in the Health section of ECF and this has led me to a concern. One of the threads has a link to another juice manufacturer's website. The website link gives an explanation of Diacetyl and actually lists flavors they sell which contain it. If you don't know, Diacetyl is the cause of popcorn lung (Bronchiolitis obliterans).

My question for the V4L guys (Steve, Mark, Leaford) is, do any of the V4L juice flavors contain Diacetyl and if so, which ones?

If any flavors contain it, I would like to know beforehand to avoid them.

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This is on the FAQ on Vapor4Life.com

2) What is the Nobacco Liquid made of?

There are three basic ingredients in our Nobacco Juice. The first ingredient is Propylene Glycol which is considered safe by the FDA as a food additive. The second ingredient is nicotine, which is completely optional. All of our liquids are available with various strengths of nicotine and are also available completely nicotine free. The third ingredient in our Nobacco Juice is food grade flavoring. PLEASE NOTE: Nicotine is extremely addictive and is intended for adults only! Also please handle all Nobacco Juice with care. Keep it out of reach of children and pets, as even a small amount of nicotine is potentially toxic.
 

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Yes but this does not mention what the food flavoring is. Just because it is safe to eat does not mean it is safe to inhale. The following was shamelessly stolen from the flavourart disclaimer. It is NOT what is used in V4L to the best of my knowledge but it does give a good explanation and listing percentages of the flavors affected. IMO, it would be hard to be as bad for you as smoking normal cigs, but I do see the concern. Tiramisu is on the list but I still vape it regularly.

What is diacetyl and where is it found?
Diacetyl and related compounds produce the buttery odor and flavor of many foods. It occurs as a natural byproduct of fermentation and is found in several dairy products like butter, cheese and milk as well as in bread, coffee, brandy, and rum. It also is manufactured as a component of artificial butter flavoring that is used in butter-flavored microwave popcorn, candy, baked goods and cake mixes.
Are there other flavors like diacetyl?
Yes. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) defines replacement flavors or flavoring agents as "substances added to impart or help impart a taste or aroma in food." There are also flavor enhancers, which are “substances added to supplement, enhance, or modify the original taste and/or aroma of a food, without imparting a characteristic taste or aroma of its own.” Flavors and flavor enhances are considered part of the larger group of food additives which the FDA regulates. This includes determining their safe use in food.
Are there any significant health risks in consuming foods containing diacetyl?
No. The FDA currently classifies diacetyl as "Generally Recognized as Safe" (GRAS) for consumption.

What about potential health effects of inhaling diacetyl vapors?
Concerns about inhalation of diacetyl vapors stem from worker safety issues, not from the general public consuming or smelling foods flavored with diacetyl in the home. Interest in the possible inhalation effects of diacetyl first arose when workers in a microwave popcorn production facility developed breathing problems in the late 1990’s. Since that time, experience with people working in factories around diacetyl and research in animals has suggested that frequent and repeated breathing of high concentrations of diacetyl in the air may be associated with an extremely rare lung condition known as bronchiolitis obliterans. This condition can cause scarring of the small airways in the lung, which can result in less air exchange in the airways and over time, airway blockage. As with most medical issues, an individual’s medical history and ongoing medical conditions may influence their response to diacetyl, so some individuals may be more sensitive than others to the inhalation effects of diacetyl.
In April 2007, the Occupational and Safety Health Administration (OSHA) launched a program to address hazards and control measures associated with factories where butter-flavored microwave popcorn is produced. The FDA continues to seek additional information to help further clarify any health effects from diacetyl.
Is the industry doing anything about the potential health effects to workers?
Yes. Because of the potential health risks from repeated exposure, the industry has implemented changes to reduce workplace exposure to diacetyl, including implementing engineering controls such as closed mixing tanks, separate mixing rooms for butter flavors, requiring respirators for mixing room operators, and improving air circulation in facilities.
Putting the Risk in Perspective: Here’s What you Need to Know . . .
There is currently no evidence of health risks to the general public from preparing or consuming butter-flavored popcorn, or any other product containing diacetyl, in the home, as directed. These products can be enjoyed along with a healthful diet rich in nutrients. Current research indicates that there may be a potential health risk to individuals who are repeatedly exposed to high concentrations of diacetyl vapors for an extended period of time, such as individuals who work in facilities that manufacture or use certain flavorings containing diacetyl. However, these concerns do not apply to the average person consuming products containing diacetyl.
So this should clear the fact that diacetyl is normally consumed when people eat butter, drink beer or wine, eat a fruit and its moderate consumption is harmless. However we realize that for E smokers, flavourart food flavors are used in a different way as they are not ingested but inhaled, and the presence of diacetyl can be a cause of concern. So we are pleased to inform our customers, which flavours contain diacetyl and related amount in %. Just consider that the amount shown is related to 100% flavor, so when used in finished product its content is less.
For example, butter flavor dosed at 0.3% in E juice. The amount of diacetyl in 100 ml of E.juice is 0.0045 grams. Assuming that a typical E cigarette contains an average of 2 ml of E juice, the amount of diacetyl assumed in a smoking session is...... 0.00009 grams or 0,09 ppm (part per million).
Always consider the dosage in use !
Apple pie 0.4
Beer 0.001
Butter 1.5
Buterscotch 0.012
Beef boiled 0.00005
Bell pepper 0.01
Chestnut 0.03
Champagne 0.0016
Coconut 0.5
Croissant 0.074
Cheese Erdammer 0.09
Cheese Emmenthal 0.018
Cheese Parmigiano 0.29
Coffee 0.27
Caramel and butterscotch 0.07
Corn 0.2
Cream 0.078
Egg yolk 0.015
Fried 0.01
Golden syrup 0.09
Hazelnut 0.01
Maple 0.012
Milk condensed 0.5
Malt 0.01
Melon 0.01
Nut wild mix 0.9
Olive 0.01
Potato 0.00012
Pistacchio 0.0015
Rum 0.022
Soy sauce 0.35
Salmon 0.02
Truffle black 0.1
Tiramisu 0.05
Vanlla Madagascar 0.04
Vanilla Tahiti 0.08
Yogurt 1.6
 

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This is on the FAQ on Vapor4Life.com

2) What is the Nobacco Liquid made of?

There are three basic ingredients in our Nobacco Juice. The first ingredient is Propylene Glycol which is considered safe by the FDA as a food additive. The second ingredient is nicotine, which is completely optional. All of our liquids are available with various strengths of nicotine and are also available completely nicotine free. The third ingredient in our Nobacco Juice is food grade flavoring. PLEASE NOTE: Nicotine is extremely addictive and is intended for adults only! Also please handle all Nobacco Juice with care. Keep it out of reach of children and pets, as even a small amount of nicotine is potentially toxic.

This doesn't answer the question.
 
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JohnnyVapor

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While there is some worry about diacetyl, I wouldn't freak out over it just yet. I would hazard a guess that (some) V4L flavors have some diacetyl, but it would probably be in line with what Flavourart flavorings have. Plus, remember that the flavoring is a very small component of the juice.

That said, it would be nice to know. I'm sure Leaford can get us the info we're looking for.
 

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Remember one thing -> you have to die of something. Vaping all day is certainly not the healthiest thing one can do with their time. Chances are, inhaling anything but air decreases your life expectancy. It would be interesting to know what the risks are in advance, but only time will tell us whether we are killing ourselves slower or faster by inhaling PG, flavoring, and nicotine vapor.

I say, life itself is a risk. Why not take a few chances and have some fun while we are still above ground. At least we won't smell as bad when we do leave this place....
 
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