Flavors (in food industry called additives aka E[0-9]+

[spodletela]

I am digging around a bit and since i am fighting against eating as lowest amount of food additives as possible in food, it becomes somehow strange to vipe them. Well i have found this document, which is talking about workers condition in regard to airborne substances in flavor manufacturing facitilities and their effect on workers lungs: http://www.fantastic-flavour.com/files-downloads/RespiratoryRpt.pdf

What also bothers me a lot is the fact that you cant buy the flavor with proper label (E tag) to actually know what you are consuming. The list of additives is long but for quite a few of them it has been proven that they are hazard to health (cancerogenic too) and banned in some contries while in others not.

For example, Diacetyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacetyl) in flavors from FlavorArts is clearly marked in their shop and a quick search produced list of flavors containing it:

1. Barley malt flavor
2. Beer flavor
3. Butter flavor
4. Cheese Cheddar flavor
5. Cheese Gorgonzola flavor
6. Cheese Mozzarella flavor
7. Cheese Parmigiano flavor
8. Chestnut flavor
9. Corn flavor
10. Cream whipped flavor
11. Croissant flavor
13. Egg yolk, cooked flavor
14. Milk condensed flavor
15. Milk flavor
16. Olive flavor
17. Pandoro flavor
18. Panettone flavor
19. Peanut flavor
20. Pistacchio flavor
21. Potato fried flavor
22. Salmon smoked flavor
23. Soy sauce flavor
24. Truffle black flavor
25. Truffle black flavor Oil soluble
26. Wine Champagne flavor
27. Yogurt flavor

I have checked one large viping related usa site and found the following flavors (that based on input from manufacturer contain Diacetyl):

Barley malt flavor
Beer flavor
Butter flavor
Cream whipped flavor
Croissant flavor
Milk flavor
Pandoro flavor
Panettone flavor
Pistacchio flavor
Yogurt flavor

What the manufacturer (FlavorArt) is saying on their page about those flavors:

This flavor contains Diacetyl and/or related diketones. Not suitable for vaping.

I bet that some of flavors are perfectly harmless but it is not possible to identify which (and those containing Diacetyl are not one of them)... I know there is a lot of sellers/makers of eliquids on this forum, i urge you to label your products properly to allow people to decide if they will vipe it or not, guys this is not just bussiness (heh, talking on USA forum, nice try ).

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Digging further i have figured out that the source of all evili for foods are the artificial colorings (tribute to geniouses who add coloring to their eLiquid), artificial sugars flavors (thank god the glycerin is already sweet) and conservants (which we dont need in eliquid).

 

[evilferret]

Eh, I hope you don't drink beer, wine or certain milk products since avoiding the stuff is almost impossible (at least in America).

Isn't the EU stricter with regulations like this?

Read through the list, I think I'll be fine. Not sure I want to vape any of those flavors. Heck are there any juices made with those flavors?

 

[spodletela]

Eh, I hope you don't drink beer, wine or certain milk products since avoiding the stuff is almost impossible (at least in America).

Isn't the EU stricter with regulations like this?

Well in regard to food, it needs to be tagged and you can avoid it (although this normally means higher price tag). For wine and beer, i dont think i have ever seen any with added additive (and i like both) except sulphur for wine but this is part of making process while for milk products some have stuff added and some not.

Read through the list, I think I'll be fine. Not sure I want to vape any of those flavors. Heck are there any juices made with those flavors?

Well this is THE question, with exotic names there is no way to backtrace the flavor mix, thats why the producers of eLiquids should tag what is inside, i dont really care about %, that can be keept as a biz. secret.

 

[evilferret]

Certain beers (especially Pale Ales) have Diacetyl (only reason I know is I have a friend who home brews).

Its not an additive, it occurs naturally during the fermentation process.

Its not hard to get a batch of commercial beer with Diacetyl (or I think it has Diacetyl). Diacetyl has a weird buttery, sweet/savory taste for me.

Also if you're tasting for Diacetyl, try to do it with warm beer (yuck, I know). Cold beers seem to hide the flavor a bit, especially if its low PPM).

Dose the EU regulate Diactyl in foodstuff (beer/wine/processed milk products)?

 

[spodletela]

Hmm, for EU food regulation i would have to check but as much as i have found about Diacetyl, the problem comes not from eating it but rather inhaling. In 90s some workers with popcorn (wtf) had respiratory problems becoase of it.

The European Commission has declared diacetyl is legal for use as a flavouring substance in all EU states.[24] As a diketone, diacetyl is included in the EU's flavouring classification Flavouring Group Evaluation 11 (FGE.11). A Scientific Panel of the EU Commission evaluated six flavouring substances (not including diacetyl) from FGE.11 in 2004.[25] As part of this study, the panel reviewed available studies on several other flavourings in FEG.11, including diacetyl. Based on the available data, the panel reiterated the finding that there were no safety concerns for diacetyl's use as a flavouring. As a result of its 2004 study, acetylacetone (FL 07.191) was found to be genotoxic in vitro and in vivo, and was therefore deleted from the register of permitted flavouring substances.[26] Recently, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), the EU's food safety regulatory body, stated its scientific panel on food additives and flavourings (AFC) was evaluating diacetyl along with other flavourings as part of a larger study. "The experts of the EFSA AFC panel and its working group on food additives will look at this issue to see if new scientific evidence is available that may require further actions. If the experts conclude that consumer exposure to diacetyl can reach levels well above those considered as safe and, that a possible health risk for consumers cannot be excluded when inhaling diacetyl, EFSA will give priority to the re-evaluation of this substance and provide detailed scientific advice."[27]