Flavors that may contain Diacetyl, are there really this many?

[440BB]

Sometimes the best of intentions can have unintended outcomes.

...how is anyone to make an informed choice when somewhere between 300-500 chemicals go into the creation of just ONE single flavor - and none of them are listed on any type of ingredient list anywhere?

Chemicals. Thousands. Totally unknown to us (except the 3 that were found to destroy lungs & publicized).

WE are the long-term studies. And that's not fear-mongering, that's just a plain ole fact.

It appears that the safest way to vape is to minimize the amount of known/unknown chemicals in the liquid...and be SURE to use only flavors that contain none of the damaging chemicals. This is something that's easy to accomplish!

Your previous post states that there are thousands of unknown chemicals. Which specific flavors are you SURE contain none of the damaging chemicals?

You offer only one way to easily accomplish this:

Our suggestion - switch to unflavored, or use minimal amounts of FA flavors. Once you hit your nic comfort zone, reduce by a couple of percentage points every 2-3 weeks. Then start cutting down your actual vaping, eliminating gradually the 'hand to mouth' habit and all the other triggers. Then sell your gear, and have a huge I AM FREE FROM ADDICTION - NOTHING OWNS ME ANYMORE & NEVER WILL AGAIN party!

EDIT - and never-ever let it be more "fun" than smoking was, or ensonce it in your life as a 'rewarding hobby'.

Stopping vaping in any manner seems to be the point of these posts. I wish that intent was made clear early on, as I continued to read along and suggest ways to minimize risk while continue to use vaping to fend off the smoking habit. The risk of returning to smoking is significant for many vapers, and must be considered in this context.

Were all vapers to follow this suggestion and stop vaping, many would eventually return to smoking. I have observed this a number of times, both among those I know and those who post on this forum. Any vaper that returns to smoking will most likely undermine their health.

I believe it is more helpful to the many who vape as a last resort to give them some realistic parameters to minimize risk.

Considering the known life threatening addiction they have finally replaced, suggesting vapers stop vaping in short order may be ideal, but very unhealthy advice.

 

[Deeo]

This right here. Vaping has been around for 10 years now with no major issues reported, and I think we need to take at least a little comfort in that. Sure, we don't know about what could happen with 25 or 30 years of vaping yet, but 10 years os a good stretch to have no real issues. Smoking issues show up within 10 years, as do other inhalation hazards (like popcorn lung, for instance, wink wink).

Me, I enjoy the menthol so I just mix my own now with a light menthol and enjoy it as much as anything. Sure, the flavors may show some effects years down the road. If that concerns you, switch to no flavor or menthol. If you worry you are vaping too much, throw some snus or snuff in the mix to help you cut down.

I am not worried.

 

[jcalis1394]

Did you know there were people who were against the "new" locomotives because they were sure that a human body being propelled at 60mph would be unhealthy and possibly deadly? The original "speed kills" folks, but basically they feared the unknown.

A "ban until there is further testing"? The studies and tests done detecting for known issues isn't enough? Can't test for the unknown for obvious reasons. The only way there will be long term studies is IF there is LONG TERM USE, which would be impossible with any ban.

I've been vaping for over 4 years, started in 2009. I know my health continues to improve even though I continue to age. I know folks who have vaped longer and their health is doing the same thing. It's not scientific proof, but it's what I have to go on. These things have been around for around 10 years. We're getting close to being able to have the population pool needed for a long term use study. Compared to the time period vaping has been around, the custard notes concern is recent. So as long as vaping is not killed off, we will have long term studies and we will know more.

Pushing for more knowledge is a great thing. Distrust of things sold over the counter is a great thing. Stopping other people doings something because of unknowns is not a good thing, nor is living your life in fear.

This right here, is an excellent post. It's worth quoting and having more people read it.

I will agree that it is possible. However i am liking that e cigs have been around for 10 years and no lung issues anywhere that i have heard about. YET. However i am glad that ecigs are 10 years in and i am wondering how many years would it take to say they are safe if no testing was to ever be done? Also to be fair i don't know of anyone that has been solely on an ecig for 10 years, but there are quite a few on this forum that have 4-5 years in.

Edited: Lets just hope that we hear more about the testings that are finally going on and hope they end up the way we all here would like them too.

Good point, when we talk about vaping usually people say "vaping has been around for 5 years or so". Well it hasn't, it begun longer ago, just that it didn't explode into popularity until recently.

"Vaping isn't proven to be healthier than smoking, we assume so" is not quite the line to help people switch. I can't imagine myself going up to a smoker and say "Hey, you should definitely try e-cigs! Why you say? Well, they *might* be healthier than smoking, or just as bad...or worse...who knows, just switch!" We should mention those that weren't previous smokers and got into vaping, how do they feel? Has their health degraded since they begun vaping? I myself was not a smoker as per say, I was more of a social smoker. Hell, maybe one or two cigs a week during the past year. I've been vaping for roughly 8 months (most of the time, 0 nic, occasionally 3mg) , and have felt just as I did before I ever tried a cig. (In fact, I used to have in my signature under the banner "^Representation of how much I'd have smoked if it was remotely as good as vaping") True, 8 months is too short to make any claims, but doesn't change the fact that I haven't felt any degradation of my health.

Plus we do have quite a couple of good studies indicating vaping is significantly healthier than smoking. Why are they being overlooked?

 

[acka]

"Vaping isn't proven to be healthier than smoking, we assume so" is not quite the line to help people switch. I can't imagine myself going up to a smoker and say "Hey, you should definitely try e-cigs! Why you say? Well, they *might* be healthier than smoking, or just as bad...or worse...who knows, just switch!"

But it doesn't have to be like this. It isn't an either/or situation, no matter how we like to present it. Up until last week, I believed vaping to be entirely different from smoking. I felt this right from my first vape. This was something I liked seperately from smoking and why I believe I took to it, quitting analogs immediately. I had no intention to ever quit vaping. This is not how I feel anymore, and maybe I was fooling myself to hide my nicotine addiction, so if it is just an alternative to smoking, you could say to someone

"Hey, you should really quit smoking, they're horrendously bad for you."''But it's so difficult, I'm addicted." "Have you tried vaping? It has no tar, no burning, no added chemicals. You can get it in flavourless form whereby it's just VG/PG/Nic. You'll notice an incredible difference and immediate health improvements/cost savings" "But is it safe, it seems so unknown.""In flavourless from, it's deemed safe, PG's in inhalers" etc. etc. It could be done a milliion ways. "Go crazy, it's amazing" (which is what I leant towards anyway) is not acceptable advice I believe.

I get a noticeable wheeze from vaping. Also a noticeable pain in my chest that stays with me some mornings and I can run off in about 20mins. It looks like I'm alone in this though. It's incredible to me that you as a non-smoker haven't noticed some sort of deterioration in these areas. I believe you, I just can't relate personally.

But I realise I've gone off topic and this thread does have some great factual information regarding the original concern and specific chemical elements/flavourings. Still, good to talk.

 

[jcalis1394]

But it doesn't have to be like this. It isn't an either/or situation, no matter how we like to present it. Up until last week, I believed vaping to be entirely different from smoking. I felt this right from my first vape. This was something I liked seperately from smoking and why I believe I took to it, quitting analogs immediately. I had no intention to ever quit vaping. This is not how I feel anymore, and maybe I was fooling myself to hide my nicotine addiction, so if it is just an alternative to smoking, you could say to someone

"Hey, you should really quit smoking, they're horrendously bad for you."''But it's so difficult, I'm addicted." "Have you tried vaping? It has no tar, no burning, no added chemicals. You can get it in flavourless form whereby it's just VG/PG/Nic. You'll notice an incredible difference and immediate health improvements/cost savings" "But is it safe, it seems so unknown.""In flavourless from, it's deemed safe, PG's in inhalers" etc. etc. It could be done a milliion ways. "Go crazy, it's amazing" (which is what I leant towards anyway) is not acceptable advice I believe.

I get a noticeable wheeze from vaping. Also a noticeable pain in my chest that stays with me some mornings and I can run off in about 20mins. It looks like I'm alone in this though. It's incredible to me that you as a non-smoker haven't noticed some sort of deterioration in these areas. I believe you, I just can't relate personally.

But I realise I've gone off topic and this thread does have some great factual information regarding the original concern and specific chemical elements/flavourings. Still, good to talk.

Great points! The only issue is how many people would jump into vaping using unflavored. In my experience around my local B&Ms, the biggest problem when people buy their starter setup is flavor. The number one reason I've seen for people not being able to get into vaping is not finding the right flavor. Granted, I've seen many here that after vaping hundreds of flavors, they love and prefer unflavored, but that hasn't been what I've seen locally. If there was absolutely 0 research into vaping, I'd be fine with that. But in the recent years we've seen more truthworthy studies show up indicating that vaping is quite healthier than smoking, like the study from CASAA I linked in the previous posts. True, none of these are long term studies, but they still hold a definite value for us.

While I did smoke socially, but too little to call myself an actual smoker, I've vaped quite a bit of e-juice lines, and done sub-ohms down to 0.2 ohms which produces substantially a lot more vapor. (Think 60+ watts). In my 8 months of vaping, I have not felt any changes whatsoever in any aspect of my health. If anything, I've been unable to properly catch a cold. 3 weeks ago 3 of my co-workers had a very bad cold with high fevers, wheezing, coughing, etc., and I worked with them 4 times that week. The only thing that happened to me, was a bit of a sore throat and a runny nose, and that lasted one day. (Vaping some light menthol helped keep my sinuses from congesting).

But don't get me wrong. I'm always researching the latest studies that come up regarding vaping. As a non-smoker I'm probably more concerned about vaping health effects than someone who, say, might have smoked for 10 years+. This past 2 months I've adapted my vaping habits (not inhaling all the time, but this is mainly due to me preferring the intensity of exhaling through the nose; lowering the flavoring percentages of all my DIY recipes down to 5%-10%, and adding unflavored with a hint of menthol to my rotation as well as lowering the wattage I vape at) It became more of a hobby to me. I know I'm not the only one, there's not that many but there's quite a few non smokers (some that never even touched a cig) that vape out there. At least for us, we know that if we get any side effects it won't be because of the x amount of years we smoked, we'll know it's from vaping itself. But up until now, I feel exactly the same whether I vape or not.

 

[Bikenstein]

But it doesn't have to be like this. It isn't an either/or situation, no matter how we like to present it. Up until last week, I believed vaping to be entirely different from smoking. I felt this right from my first vape. This was something I liked seperately from smoking and why I believe I took to it, quitting analogs immediately. I had no intention to ever quit vaping. This is not how I feel anymore, and maybe I was fooling myself to hide my nicotine addiction, so if it is just an alternative to smoking, you could say to someone

"Hey, you should really quit smoking, they're horrendously bad for you."''But it's so difficult, I'm addicted." "Have you tried vaping? It has no tar, no burning, no added chemicals. You can get it in flavourless form whereby it's just VG/PG/Nic. You'll notice an incredible difference and immediate health improvements/cost savings" "But is it safe, it seems so unknown.""In flavourless from, it's deemed safe, PG's in inhalers" etc. etc. It could be done a milliion ways. "Go crazy, it's amazing" (which is what I leant towards anyway) is not acceptable advice I believe.

I get a noticeable wheeze from vaping. Also a noticeable pain in my chest that stays with me some mornings and I can run off in about 20mins. It looks like I'm alone in this though. It's incredible to me that you as a non-smoker haven't noticed some sort of deterioration in these areas. I believe you, I just can't relate personally.

But I realise I've gone off topic and this thread does have some great factual information regarding the original concern and specific chemical elements/flavourings. Still, good to talk.

Maybe you should see a Doctor about your wheezing and chest pains. Could be caused by something else since we don't know enough about vaping to blame it

 

[GaelicGrime]

[-deletia-]

I have talked to a couple of people about allergies though and the flavor profiles may be similar enough to duplicate an existing allergy, incl. hay fever (pollens). I don't know much more about that other than one strawberry profile used by a flavor company may cause a reaction but another company's strawberry profile won't. Then it's just trial and error.

[-deletia-]

I have had some allergic reactions to some citrus flavors, and after a life long love hate relationship with citrus that was mostly expected.

I would like to see a movement added to the already large list of movements, to make sure that even the uncommon allergens are listed on ingredient list, along with anything else that could possibly be harmful.

Many food items and flavorings contain citrus, even when you would not expect it.

I further suspect that diacetyl and it's siblings are going to be a problem for some people, annoying to others, and leave others "untouched".

It is unreasonable for me to expect others to suffer because my allergies cause problem, likewise it is unreasonable to ask vapers to suffer because popcorn workers in one plant, with no actual causal link found, etc.

Having read the links through about half of this topic, I notice a couple of the more lucid take this same approach: "tell us what is in it and let us make our own choices"

 

[aikanae1]

I have had conversations with a number of eliquid vendors about labeling disclosures. 100% do not feel the need and that includes some premium lines who feel PG/VG ratios are propietary. Their side of the story is that many foods don't include a complete ingredient listing (true) so why should they.

Flavorings are just listed as artifical or natural flavoring on food labels. Nothing more is required.

What would labeling look like on an eliquid label? A huge list of artifical sounding chemicals that would tell the customer very little. Even a "natural" banana sounds artifical based on it's chemical name. It really is not like mashng bananas into a flour mixture and adding a few nuts and spices. Flavorings are a mixture of chemicals including "natural" and "organic".

There is no such thing as "organic eliquid". It's physically impossible.

Currently some vendors are very open about the flavorings they use and openly discuss what they use, answer questions etc. and leave the decision to the customer. On that note, vendors also have some responsbility to understand what is in flavors they are using.

Our choice is to buy what we are comfortable with.

I have had some allergic reactions to some citrus flavors, and after a life long love hate relationship with citrus that was mostly expected.

I would like to see a movement added to the already large list of movements, to make sure that even the uncommon allergens are listed on ingredient list, along with anything else that could possibly be harmful.

Many food items and flavorings contain citrus, even when you would not expect it.

I further suspect that diacetyl and it's siblings are going to be a problem for some people, annoying to others, and leave others "untouched".

It is unreasonable for me to expect others to suffer because my allergies cause problem, likewise it is unreasonable to ask vapers to suffer because popcorn workers in one plant, with no actual causal link found, etc.

Having read the links through about half of this topic, I notice a couple of the more lucid take this same approach: "tell us what is in it and let us make our own choices"

 

[BigEgo]

Bottom line is we don't know. We know that diacetyl is bad to inhale and we assume that the other diketones are just as bad (some were already outlawed in Europe for use in food flavorings back in the 90's). It is physically impossible for some flavors not to include these diketones as they are what make that flavor that flavor. Diketones occur naturally in foods, so "going organic" does nothing. (I could go on a rant about "organic" and what a sham it is, but I will refrain. Just remember that everything is a chemical and "chemicals" are naturally occurring).

I do know that vaping is a phenomenon now. I went to a bar tonight and noticed that about half of the people that used to sit at the bar and smoke cigs now have APV's. So I would imagine that if vaping were harmful in the short-term, we would have heard about it.

As for me, I am concerned about what sorts of risks vaping brings that cigarettes don't. Am I going to need a lung transplant in 10 years because of some ingredient in flavorings? Or is it merely the case that the risks of vaping are the same as smoking (except much lower of a risk)? We just don't know. From my experience in life, the truth almost always lies in the middle. I doubt vaping is as harmless as some would have us believe, but I do believe it will be safer than smoking (both in the short term and long term). Do I have any data to back that up? Nope. I am just playing the odds. I think my odds are better if I vape than if I go back to inhaling 2 packs of cigs a day.

If you don't want to gamble, then don't play.

 

[Pictor]

Ask if they contain any acetyl propionyl or acetoin. Those are the two most-commonly-used diacetyl substitutes. They smell and taste very similar and are equally harmful when inhaled, according to very recent studies. Your vendor may very well not know the answer - because few flavoring companies disclose their use of these substitutes.

Yes, I saw on the TPA site that it's possible for acetoin to catalyse into traces or percentages of diacetyl prior to blending, so merely stating that there's no diacetyl in the end product liquid isn't enough unless they've had it batch tested. I wonder if all vendors are aware of that fact.

What exactly is it that you can smell or taste that tells you often when these substances are present?
I sometimes notice a sharp smell ..the sort with a mouth watering sensation akin to smelling such as fresh cut sour lemon, or acidic pear drops (best way I can describe that smell). I've noticed it in flavours I wouldn't expect to smell that kind of aroma from, and wonder if that's the sort of smell you refer to?

I was surprised to find this thread - I'd only just learned of the vanilla/custard/cream type problems, so thought that although they were my favourites, I'd need to eliminate them because I found myself getting the same awful breathing problems with them that I get with high concentrates of PG. (I've been using VG for a few weeks now).
This information on flavouring poses the question: is it PG that gives me problems or flavouring? Hmm!

Just two days ago, I'd been alternating between a lime, blackberry and tobacco all day, and by evening could barely breathe properly and my lungs felt like bricks. I had to resort to taking a ChestEze tablet (Theophyline Ph Eur 100mg, Ephedrine Hydrochloride Ph Eur 18.31mg, Caffeine Ph Eur 30mg). It worked fine, but not something I'd want to use frequently.
I now see that blackberry is one of the flavours that can contain the diacetyl etc., and it's possible the tobacco one had some small amounts of honey/caramel or similar, as it was a little sweet.

I'll try to inhale less, and keep mostly to those flavours that hopefully are OK. Menthol is a favourite thankfully. Not sure I'd like unflavoured, but who knows, I may have to try it.

Those of us that smoked cigarettes did so knowing they carried risks, and as such, any problems with e-cigs/liquid is something I'd be prepared to risk in order to stay off cigarettes. But, when something causes debilitating effects such as not being able to breathe properly, it becomes impossible to accept any risk.
Anything that causes a percentage of people problems needs to be fully addressed by removal where possible, but at the very least, clear label warnings.

It's early days for me still - just under 11 weeks - but it's a huge thing for me that I've not had a cigarette in all those weeks after smoking for many years.
I'll be devastated if I find I still get problems by being carefully selective or eliminating flavours, but there's no way I can carry on getting spells of such severe breathing difficulties.

I've got a few of the cream/vanilla flavouring from TPA that have either shown zero traces of those substances, or have had them totally removed. Perhaps that way I can get a degree of creaminess in some other liquids without encountering problems as long as I steer clear of those most likely to cause me problems. They have two French Vanilla ones, and one has had them removed completely apparently.
Very helpful indeed to find this information on their site!

This has become a journey of exploration to seek out what causes me problems in order to hopefully deal with them well enough to carry on not smoking cigarettes.

So far today I've only used menthol and a very small amount of tobacco, and am trying not to inhale as much ...I seem OK, so we'll see.

I saw it said that Johnsons Creek supply MSDS (I have a few Red Oak), but that information isn't readily visible on their website.

 

[Pictor]

EDIT - and never-ever let it be more "fun" than smoking was, or ensonce it in your life as a 'rewarding hobby'.

Good thing to keep in mind! Hard to think that way when finding favourite flavours give me problems, but that brought it back into focus! I'm only using this method to stop me smoking cigarettes, and do hope to eliminate nicotine eventually. I just hope I can find a way to continue using e-liquid etc., long enough.

I get a noticeable wheeze from vaping. Also a noticeable pain in my chest that stays with me some mornings and I can run off in about 20mins. It looks like I'm alone in this though. It's incredible to me that you as a non-smoker haven't noticed some sort of deterioration in these areas. I believe you, I just can't relate personally.

You aren't alone. It's looking to me that some flavours will give me a painful wheeze and shortness of breath. On a few occasions, it's been extremely uncomfortable, and that's something I never got as a smoker.

After midnight here now, and I've been using mostly menthol plus a small amount of tobacco now and then since 10am this morning. Got a tiny bit of a wheeze now and then, but nothing much so far.
Yesterday, I was using other flavours (nothing called custard or vanilla though) and got a very uncomfortable attack of not being able to breathe, so am likely still feeling the congestion and after effects of that.

 

[king of queens]

This threat is very interesting to read, a bit disappointing that there are so many "dangers" lingering in different flavors, but very informative none the less. I have stopped smoking 22. January 2014 and started vaping. I'm still looking to find the perfect juice, at the moment I mainly use Halo's Tribeca. I thought about trying flavorless DIY mixes but read across the web about bad tasting base liquids, don't remember which they were.

So I have two questions, if I may ask: What is the best base liquid (PG, VG or AG >> water mixed with VG) that has no bad taste? Or has anyone tried several ones and can suggest a certain brand?

The other thing I was wondering about is this: Since so many flavors are potentially "dangerous" could one try to steep a tea and add it to an e-liquid? somehow? could that also be dangerous, any chemists here?

Edit: Also read that menthol, mint like flavors are safe. Is that true?

 

[vangrl27]

This threat is very interesting to read, a bit disappointing that there are so many "dangers" lingering in different flavors, but very informative none the less. I have stopped smoking 22. January 2014 and started vaping. I'm still looking to find the perfect juice, at the moment I mainly use Halo's Tribeca. I thought about trying flavorless DIY mixes but read across the web about bad tasting base liquids, don't remember which they were.

So I have two questions, if I may ask: What is the best base liquid (PG, VG or AG >> water mixed with VG) that has no bad taste? Or has anyone tried several ones and can suggest a certain brand?

The other thing I was wondering about is this: Since so many flavors are potentially "dangerous" could one try to steep a tea and add it to an e-liquid? somehow? could that also be dangerous, any chemists here?

Edit: Also read that menthol, mint like flavors are safe. Is that true?

hmmm, maybe steep an organic tea in distilled water and add 10% of that to a VG-nic base! I have no idea if that would work or is safe but sounds good

 

[Jeffk123]

hmmm, maybe steep an organic tea in distilled water and add 10% of that to a VG-nic base! I have no idea if that would work or is safe but sounds good

don't steep that tea too long or you will get alot of nasty tannin's(sp?) in it. they taste gross and I don't think you would want to vape them either.

 

[JayQC]

The whole point of this thread is basically this :

"We originally thought that those chemicals were only in buttery/creamy flavors, but as it turns out, it is present in most other flavors as well, albeit in various concentrations, contrary to what some companies have told us, prompting the need for more research and disclosure from flavor vendors and e-juice companies as well."

Arguing that a company is safer than another because so-and-so wrote me an e-mail about it has no weight in the discussion because it is no different than being officially told by a flavoring company "We do not use those chemicals in our strawberry flavors..................no wait, actually yes we do."

There are three distincs points to make of this thread :

1. We thought there wasn't any of those chemicals in flavors other than butter/cream, and we were wrong.

2. Assuming there is no difference between ingesting and inhaling anything is also wrong.

3. There is no reliable way to predict long term effects of anything except time. Symptoms may or may not be present as well. One can smoke stinkers for years, then stop, and still end up with lung cancer 10 years down the road.


These three points can be simply adjusted towards one conclusion : If you want to be the safest, errr on the side of caution and vape flavorless until more info comes out. Even PG/VG inhalation is mostly an experiment to this day.

Until then, e-mail conversations are to be taking with a grain of salt.

Companies need to come forward and disclose study results, and this forum needs to come out with a list of specific trusted e-juice makers and flavors made by these e-juice makers.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I know the term "regulation" can get people upset, but I believe that vendors should have to display their ingredients and be checked.

I have e-mailed two places that don't and one came back and said it was on a page that was buried in a file structure. I don't buy there.

From the producer, to the seller, and to the user, there should be some responsibility.

 

[JayQC]

I know the term "regulation" can get people upset, but I believe that vendors should have to display their ingredients and be checked.

To which they will reply "we already do", here they are : PG-VG-Flavorings.

I understand that more and more vendors are growing increasingly proactive and I like what I'm reading.

This is where an industry focused on being a safer alternative to breathing tarmac should step out of it's self-regulation complacency and aggressively investigate the subject.

I'm happy to see that it has started doing this, but there is only so much we can learn in the short term.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I'm about half and half about government regulation. Often, of late, it seems more oppressive and that can be good of bad depending on the situation. Personally, I like the idea of being responsible for my choices. I try to study, ask questions, learn what I need to. It has made me more successful, I hope.

Frankly, if someone says "PG, VG and flavorings", that isn't enough. I have, in my news reading, the ANTZ use this against vapers. I have no problem telling a vendor about a better way. I think more should do it. We should be policing ourselves.

 

[JayQC]

I'm about half and half about government regulation. Often, of late, it seems more oppressive and that can be good of bad depending on the situation. Personally, I like the idea of being responsible for my choices. I try to study, ask questions, learn what I need to. It has made me more successful, I hope.

Frankly, if someone says "PG, VG and flavorings", that isn't enough. I have, in my news reading, the ANTZ use this against vapers. I have no problem telling a vendor about a better way. I think more should do it. We should be policing ourselves.

I vaped out of my butterscotch bottle and decided to go with mint, I'm a new vaper, been at it for a week.

Yesterday, I asked my local vendor about some flavors cracking plastic tanks and other chemicals in the flavorings and he had no idea what I was talking about. He had heard about Diacetyl but did not really think anything of it.

We do need to police ourselves.

 

[aikanae1]

I ran into this old document the other day from the original Master Settlement Trial. What's in a cigarette? Tobacco companies blend hundreds of additives into their products. - Free Online Library

It appears we've been inhaling many of these flavors in cigarettes. This isn't so "new".

Included on the publicly released list of cigarette additives are the fragrant and flavorful extracts of anise, cinnamon, molasses, dandelion roots, and walnut hulls; juices from apples, raisins, figs, and plums; black currant buds; peppery capsicum oleoresin; clover tops; nutmeg powder; vanilla; vinegar; smoke flavor; tea leaf; orange blossom water; and oils of basil, bay leaves, caraway, carrots, dill seeds, ginger, lavender, lemon, lime, pepper, Scotch pine, oak chips, and patchouli. The list also includes butter, chocolate, caffeine, coffee, cognac oil, cocoa, honey, rum, water, sherry, and yeast.