Hello again people. I've got yet another question. This should be in the health section, but since I'm new, here goes.... This is a question about the atomizers used in these e cigarettes. I'm not a electonics guy by any stretch, but wouldn't these atomizers need to be soldered together? If they are, would there be trace amounts of flux on them in the early stages of using these attys? Now I have been reading up about new atomizers and how you blow them out, and dipping them in coke etc, but is this enough to clear out the flux, if there is flux in the making of these atomizers? In addition to that, is that the funny taste that people talk about initially when "breaking in" a new atty? Thanks again in advance for the info.
Flux in atomizers?!?
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There isn't any flux because they aren't soldered together. You can very easily take out the wick and the bridge. It's not flux that you're clearing out of a new atty, it's machine oil that's used to keep them wet in transit. Most atomizers will have this. I've had some that arrived literally dripping with it and others that have hardly any at all.
So would it be possible to soap out the machine oil before smoking? Either way I wouldn't want to smoke some other substance like machine oil either. Would the coke be able to flush out the oil or is a soap and water mix be a better idea followed by a good rinsing of water? Pardon my inexperience here. I really don't know much about the manufacturing of these units, but appreciate the info on this subject.
So to follow up on my noobish question, these wicks are like mini zippo wicks? So if we drop the ejuice on it, why would it be a concern to keep them moist while in transit? In the case of a dry burn, which will in turn burn out a new atty? Thanks again for any input into this matter.
So to follow up on my noobish question, these wicks are like mini zippo wicks? So if we drop the ejuice on it, why would it be a concern to keep them moist while in transit? In the case of a dry burn, which will in turn burn out a new atty? Thanks again for any input into this matter.
Oh god. That's not what I meant to post. My apologies! It's NOT machine oil, it's just plain primer but it tastes nasty if you don't blow it out or rinse it out. Don't use soap on your attys. Soap won't rinse out completely. You can just blow out the primer by holding a tissue or paper towel to the threaded end and blowing through the open end until nothing else comes out. You can also just rinse it in plain hot water let it dry overnight or use a hairdryer to dry it faster.
OK,Thats right.Its some type of eliquid to keep the atty wet while its shipped and stored.We blow it out or rinse it because its not flavored and tastes bad.Its not something thats going to hurt you.It just doesnt taste very good.
Thanks for the responses so far, and I don't want to question people with much more experience than I, but I will inhale this "primer" or trace amounts of it, when and if I decide to purchase one of these devices. Would there happen to be an "expert" like an official manufacturer of these products to confirm what exactly is used to "prime" these atomizers? If it's in fact ejuice that tastes horrible, I'll be fine with that. If it's something else, would there be a manufacturer on this forum who could confirm this? I know I shouldn't be so .... since I smoke a pack a day and with all those carcinogen won't be any better for me, but I just really want to make the "better" choice. Thanks again everybody for your time and knowledge.
Atomizer coils are soldered to wires. To solder properly you need a flux. There are many kinds of flux out there cant really tell you want they use in the factory. Could be a organic flux i really dont know. But I for sure clean my atomizers before i use them these days. They get a nice long soak in 91% alcohol and then a final soak in PGA. Then a good dry burn or two. I really dont do it because i am worried about flux mainly i hate the nasty new taste they have.
Ajax, either way I'm with you. By the looks of your avatar, you seem to comprehend the electronic of these attys. I'm gonna do what you do in this instance and try to kill everything before I inhale. Dc, thanks for the research into the matter. I'm way too lazy to search too much. Keyz, thanks for the "push" for a clearer answer to my questions, on both my posts for that matter. Woman, thanks for your response to my thread kicking it off, and now allowing me to get out of the new members forum lol!!! I'm outta here guys and gonna join the Canucks haha!!! I appreciate all the advice. This forum kicks EH?!?! 
re primer fluid - - first you blow out what you can into a tissue
then do one of
1. put 3-ish drops total of ejuice on all sides of the atty bridge, wait a minute, stick an empty or dummy cart on and vape it without inhaling
or
2. soak in vodka or grain alcohol, swish around, scoop some through the atty. Then dry the atty (blow through or use blow dryer). prime with juice before using
or
3. most dangerous - burn it off (requires manual battery) - point away from your face to avoid sputters and press battery button until you hear sizzles or see a tiny bit of vapor (but not more than 4 seconds!!! do not glow the atty red). repeat a couple of times. Now prime and use atty.
then do one of
1. put 3-ish drops total of ejuice on all sides of the atty bridge, wait a minute, stick an empty or dummy cart on and vape it without inhaling
or
2. soak in vodka or grain alcohol, swish around, scoop some through the atty. Then dry the atty (blow through or use blow dryer). prime with juice before using
or
3. most dangerous - burn it off (requires manual battery) - point away from your face to avoid sputters and press battery button until you hear sizzles or see a tiny bit of vapor (but not more than 4 seconds!!! do not glow the atty red). repeat a couple of times. Now prime and use atty.
I'm a noob (I've been vaping for about 9 days now, and haven't even THOUGHT about an analog cig in that time), and a good friend taught me to use vegetable glycerine gently blown through the atty a couple of times in order to use it right away. I suppose you could use e-liquid, but that's valuable stuff!
So adding onto my health concerns of the atomizers, is the possible concern of the flavourings in the juices. I've noticed that there are the basic nicotine, PG, VG in the mix, but what about all the crazy flavours that are added in? There seem to be a myriad of flavours and from what I've seen, they're just mixed up without labels. Perhaps the creators of the juices don't want to give away their secrets, but that leaves us in the dark about the contents of these juices. I've heard of Johnson's Creek or something like that, who are quite responsible and label their juices, while others don't bother. They just put a generic sticker on with "chocolate" on it then we inhale that without even thinking what it would be? We might not see any effects right away but what happens down the road? Don't want to sound too paranoid or anything, but I just want to know everything. Should I have started a new thread? I'm sure it was discussed before somewhere in here, but I'm just too lazy. Oh so since I'm on this topic, is there a place that just sells a liquid with just nicotine and PG or VG in it alone? No flavour... that's it! Thanks for the answers in advance guys.
If JC labels the juice better then buy from them,its all in what you want.You can buy unflavored nic juice in VG or PG.Its for making your own flavors.I think Freedomsmokes carries it or the DIY shop.
Well I guess you have made the decision to inhale 4000 chemicals for years and light it off of a butane or lighter fluid or a match!
4-5 ingredients in PV vs 4000 chemicals in cigs! Hmmm!
Guess you could always just throw the smokes in the trash and make the smartest most healthy and informed choice or maybe check out the ingredients in the gum or the patch, or like the majority of us who couldn't quit and use the lesser of " 2 evils " LOL
The other side of this is to use the ecig to break away from about 4000 chemicals and slowly manipulate the nicotine down to 0 and then quit if it's truly a health concern!
Just for fun google chemicals in cigarettes! Wonder what is the wisest choice?
Theres many excuses we have all made to not stop smoking over the years but to make this argument about E-cigs all while probably smoking a cig while reading all this....come on give me a break! Don't mean to be so blunt and rude but this can help you quit smoking, otherwise slap on a patch but make sure and read the ingredients ! LOL
4-5 ingredients in PV vs 4000 chemicals in cigs! Hmmm!
Guess you could always just throw the smokes in the trash and make the smartest most healthy and informed choice or maybe check out the ingredients in the gum or the patch, or like the majority of us who couldn't quit and use the lesser of " 2 evils " LOL
The other side of this is to use the ecig to break away from about 4000 chemicals and slowly manipulate the nicotine down to 0 and then quit if it's truly a health concern!
Just for fun google chemicals in cigarettes! Wonder what is the wisest choice?
Theres many excuses we have all made to not stop smoking over the years but to make this argument about E-cigs all while probably smoking a cig while reading all this....come on give me a break! Don't mean to be so blunt and rude but this can help you quit smoking, otherwise slap on a patch but make sure and read the ingredients ! LOL
Just unfortunate that the only real clinical testing is being done mainly in New Zealand of all places...the 'new world' can be so disgracefully backwards sometimes =( ... as GlaxoSmithKline pockets another years profit off the fail inhaler
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Here are some threads that discuss your concerns...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uppliers-remove-diacetyl-their-e-liquids.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...29693-anti-hysteria-over-diacetyl-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tyl-containing-liquids-safety-discussion.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/140734-industry-concerns.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...art-remove-all-diacetyl-their-flavorings.html
I'd agree that it's generally the lesser of two evils but you're not really making an equivalent comparison with the 4,000 chemicals versus four or five. Most of the "chemicals" that you're counting in the 4,000 number are various products of combustion and partial combustion, analogs, various trace contaminents, etc., that are not "ingredients" in the same way that you're counting the base, nicotine, flavor, etc., in juice. That's kind of the equivalent of saying that a cigarette is just tobacco, paper, and a filter.
If you did an actual analysis of juice as it's heated and "vaporized" then you'd find a much larger number of resultant products. It will start to break down and be converted into various other compounds at different temperatures, trace contaminants will be liberated, various components in different ingredients can combine, etc., etc. As in Melloh's earlier post you'll also have things like flux and solder, manufacturing oils, trace levels of solvents used in cleaning parts, various compounds in plastics, fill, foam, etc., that are volatilized at the high temps. And that doesn't even get into QA/QC-type issues, people trying to cut costs in a competitive environment, etc., and things along those lines. All of that is what you'd need to count as a valid comparison against the 4,000 number.
Like I said, I'm of the opinion that vaping is the lesser of evils but having a fairly strong biology and chemistry background I'm not naive about it. It's certainly not "just water vapor" as I see some represent it. As far as I've seen at least there's really not any good data as far as what's actually coming off of these things and there's so much variance in products and how they are used and individual circumstances that beyond generalities it would be very hard to characterize. Also, it's not so much a question of how many but rather what and in what amounts. A tiny level of one particularly bad component could be much worse than larger amounts and numbers of others. Really not trying to scare anybody, I'm on board here too, just being realistic about it. There's a lot of faith versus science at work in this 'industry' from what I've seen. All that said, given the clearly bad characteristics of the alternative, even at its worst it would be hard to equal.
Yes, there is a lot of faith versus science going on with vaping. We don't have much else to go on, but I can understand where Hrtbrkr1965 is coming from. It's annoying because we recently went through this with someone who thought she might get AIDS or other diseases from the bottles of juice because she didn't know where they came from. It got to be a rather long, ridiculous thread. Most of don't have a chemistry or scientific background, so the comparison is made to keep things simple. Vaping is the lesser of the two "evils" and there has not been a recorded death from vaping compared to the thousands from smoking every day. It amounts to this: You can either choose to vape or choose not to.
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