For god's sake people, this needs comments!

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I thought the article was fair. The director from the poison control center even toned down his obvious paranoia a little bit. All in all, the articles and interviews I have seen/heard/read lately have been more reasonable. There is still sometimes that underlying feeling of "if it looks like smoke" and they always have to do the "save the children" spiel in everything--not just e-cigarettes but this article did try to show both sides.

As smokers, we let them over-tax us, jack up our insurance and now they are even drug testing/discriminating against nicotine users. This is the line in the sand and I think they know it now. We've been pushed too far and their fake science is not going to save them this time.
 

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You have to remember we are in America, and personal responsibility went out the door, I don't know before we even had the colonies. Parents and Adults should keep e juice, and any PV away from children just as they would their guns, prescription pills, the damn car keys. The media is just out for the ratings and badmouthing another thing, to get the public eye on the new thing. I lost my faith in humanity a long time ago.
 

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I'm quite fed up with the news using shock value so much. Can't parents be held responsible for there kids instead of stooping to this. What's to say about all the flavors of skoal, those are all candy/fruit flavors.

Don't you know, it takes a village because parents are too busy.
 

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You have to remember we are in America, and personal responsibility went out the door, I don't know before we even had the colonies. Parents and Adults should keep e juice, and any PV away from children just as they would their guns, prescription pills, the damn car keys. The media is just out for the ratings and badmouthing another thing, to get the public eye on the new thing. I lost my faith in humanity a long time ago.

I do not agree with this at all.

Parents can assess their own situation and determine what is or is not safe in their home.

I can't express how even suggesting that a parent should sequester dangerous items away from children angers me.

If you are adult enough to have children, you are adult enough to decide how you wish to raise them.

In my case I fly in the face of danger and don't keep the car keys hidden, or lock up my kitchen knives, and I even sleep with a loaded handgun on my nightstand.

I keep a number of cleaning products under the kitchen cabinets too, medicine is in a basket in the refrigerator.

Liquor is not locked up either.

My house is my house, it is safe not because everything dangerous is locked up, it is safe because my wife and I parent our children.

If a parent decides locking up their stuff is the best route for safety, cool, if a parent decides educating their child that e-juice is only safe when used as intended, cool, if a parent decides to go the whole if you touch this an angel in heaven dies and god will banish you to burn in everlasting fires of damnation, cool.

The world is not a safe place. Many things can harm us and our children, so many so that it is simply not possible to hide them all or lock them away from our children's curiosity. It is better in my opinion to actively engage your child and teach him or her how to be safe without stifling their curious nature.

lots of people out there might need to reside in a nanny state, but not one wants to. And the folks who push these nanny laws or ideas don't want to be the ones that enforce them either.

My suggestion, let's just mind our own business.

Maurice
 

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I posted the same link a bit ago... the article was not horrible, but I was put off by how the video demonized the product. Looks like the comments are picking up steam and mostly positive, thank you to to ECF members who have contributed.

The fine art of deception involves the practice of twisting the truth delicately, to the end of both instilling fear in the uneducated (and beyond), while simultaneously avoiding alienating the educated.
 

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Maurice, I agree with you pretty much, but I'm sure your kids are a bit older now. Leaving a loaded gun around a young, pre-school child would be dangerous as well as poisonous products. The very young need to learn danger.

I paid the price with the car keys when my gf's daughter came home from a date, got into a fight with her boyfriend and decided to chase after him in my Yukon in the middle of the night. The car was totaled 5 minutes later when she ran it into a boulder. However, she was a mess long before I ever met her due to bad parental guidance and am happy to say she finally "got it" and grew up to be a very responsible young lady.

I know our parents educated us very well in what was and was not permitted and didn't need the government to raise us.
 
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