Foray into temperature control

[AngieMcSkruf]

Once again, I'm making the plunge, this time into temperature control. As some of you may know, I've been wanting the xcube II for a while, but took a detour into mechanicals first, and fell in love. Now, as all detours do, it's led me back to high powered box mods and tc. I was dead set of the xcube, and then came along the reuleaux. Once again, I'm trusting you guys, the price point isn't an issue because I've found both frod reputable sellers for 50-70$

So, reuleaux, xcube or forget them both and get a dual unregulated?

As always, thank you and happy vaping.

 

[KenD]

Once again, I'm making the plunge, this time into temperature control. As some of you may know, I've been wanting the xcube II for a while, but took a detour into mechanicals first, and fell in love. Now, as all detours do, it's led me back to high powered box mods and tc. I was dead set of the xcube, and then came along the reuleaux. Once again, I'm trusting you guys, the price point isn't an issue because I've found both frod reputable sellers for 50-70$

So, reuleaux, xcube or forget them both and get a dual unregulated?

As always, thank you and happy vaping.

I don't have any experience with the xcube but I do have a Reuleaux rx200 and love it. Another option might be the new Joyetech Cuboid. Incredibly small for a two-battery mod, fantastic screen, updateable firmware, and adjustable temperature coefficient so you can use any temp control wire.

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[ShowerHead]

I just received the Reuleaux RX200 TC and after updating the firmware to 1.08, it's great. I have a Mini M and ML so setting this was different, but simpler.
I vape SS at 35W 390F on a Crown RBA and the battery life is excellent.
Feels and looks good doing as well. Mind you, I wear size L in gloves, so the size isn't an issue for me.
They are 39.95 at VapeNW right now.

 

[GeorgeS]

While both mods are decent options in late 2015 or 2016 I personally would not consider a mod that did not have user programmable TCR.

 

[KenD]

While both mods are decent options in late 2015 or 2016 I personally would not consider a mod that did not have user programmable TCR.

I agree, in general. Still, I would (and did) choose the reuleaux over the xcube. I prefer the form factor and size and it's been rumored to get adjustable tcr in a future firmware update. Even if that doesn't happen, nickel, titanium, and stainless steel options mean that pretty much any tc wire can be used with a temperature offset.

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[TheotherSteveS]

I agree, in general. Still, I would (and did) choose the reuleaux over the xcube. I prefer the form factor and size and it's been rumored to get adjustable tcr in a future firmware update. Even if that doesn't happen, nickel, titanium, and stainless steel options mean that pretty much any tc wire can be used with a temperature offset.

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Agreed. Further, if you leave out SS, then Ti, NiFe and Ni are good even on a DNA40 with the right offsets...)

 

[KenD]

Agreed. Further, if you leave out SS, then Ti, NiFe and Ni are good even on a DNA40 with the right offsets...)

True. I use Ti on my ni200 "only" mods and it works great. Almost annoyed by my Evic Mini (and the Reuleaux DNA 200 that's on its way to me) because they almost force me to order tons of new wire types

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[edyle]

Once again, I'm making the plunge, this time into temperature control. As some of you may know, I've been wanting the xcube II for a while, but took a detour into mechanicals first, and fell in love. Now, as all detours do, it's led me back to high powered box mods and tc. I was dead set of the xcube, and then came along the reuleaux. Once again, I'm trusting you guys, the price point isn't an issue because I've found both frod reputable sellers for 50-70$

So, reuleaux, xcube or forget them both and get a dual unregulated?

As always, thank you and happy vaping.

have you looked at the ijoy asolo and solo mini?

 

[greasegizzard]

I don't have experience with either of these, yet. I've been using an iStick TC60W. I'm trying to decide on which mood I want next, though. I'm stuck between the X Cube II, the Koopor Plus 200W, and the Sigelei 150W TC. I always seem to keep going back to the X Cube II, though. The screen and buttons on top scare me if you ever have a leak. I ruled out the RX200 just because I don't care for the looks of it, or the three batteries, just personal preference though. If I had to choose right now, I'd probably by the X Cube II.

 

[J Wo]

Once again, I'm making the plunge, this time into temperature control. As some of you may know, I've been wanting the xcube II for a while, but took a detour into mechanicals first, and fell in love. Now, as all detours do, it's led me back to high powered box mods and tc. I was dead set of the xcube, and then came along the reuleaux. Once again, I'm trusting you guys, the price point isn't an issue because I've found both frod reputable sellers for 50-70$
So, reuleaux, xcube or forget them both and get a dual unregulated?
As always, thank you and happy vaping.

I'm sure that this doesn't help and for that I apologize, but then again maybe it does help. I just absolutely love my X Cube II. I have Ni, TI, & SS wire options, I can adjust the the temperature coefficient of resistance (TCR), I like the heft of it although that is a con for some. It has upgradable firmware, and many more features. I just all around love my X Cube II.

I hope that helps you out.

Vape on and Vape Happy.

Happy New Year Everyone Birthday New Year, it's the same thing right?!

 

[AngieMcSkruf]

OK...now another question because the more I read the more confused I'm getting. Series vs parallel (in a dual unregulated)
From what I've read, series doubles the amp limits and parallel doubles mah. Batteries must be mated. I get that.

Here's where I get confused, if series doubles the amp limits, that would allow you to "safely" build at lower ohms right? But then I read that parallel will allow you to build at lower ohms, but I don't understand that reasoning because if your just drawing the same amount of power but just splitting the load, its still the same power. But then I see this reasoning: well its half the stress on the batteries so its like the continious draw from each battery is halved so you can build lower safely.

So now I wonder, does series just push double the power through the coil, so the same build I vape on a single 18650 will be double strength allowing for bigger clouds? (Along with burnt hits etc, so maybe build at higher ohms to achieve the same results as a single battery?) Then a parallel pushes the same power but stresses the batteries less so its safer to build lower and get the same results as the series in a safer way?

I think I'm getting bad info or my logic is flawed so please school me (nicely)

My main question now is, what will allow me to build lower, blow bigger clouds and experiment with crazy builds. (Different answers for different questions is ok) I really don't want to blow up, and I really just want to say f*** all this regulated business because regulated mods are expensive and crap out all the time. Plus I think temperature control may be overrated, I don't know that I care anymore. No dry hits, well I keep my cotton wet, maybe once they really figure these chips out....I just don't want to spend money and hate it, I know I like my mechs, I haven't vaped a regulated since I got my first mechanical and really don't care to but I have hope yet.

Sorry for the ramble

 

[BigEgo]

OK...now another question because the more I read the more confused I'm getting. Series vs parallel (in a dual unregulated)
From what I've read, series doubles the amp limits and parallel doubles mah. Batteries must be mated. I get that.

• Series doubles the voltage, not the amp limit
• Parallel doubles the amps but not the voltage

So, if you're running two 3.7v batteries in series, they become one 7.4v battery at the same amp rating. Two 2500mAh batteries in series become one 2500mAh battery with twice the voltage. Now, the doubled voltage means there is less strain on the battery due to the equation: I = P/V. This means that your coil will draw about half of the amps from the battery it did before (which means the batteries last about twice as long). So, it has the effect of doubling the charge cycle of the battery.

In parallel, two 3.7v 2500mAh batteries still can only output 3.7v but the batteries share the amperage. So if both have a 20A limit, you will effectively get 40A out of them.

In the end, both achieve the same thing as far as we are concerned: about double the battery life and about double the amperage available.

 

[AngieMcSkruf]

• Series doubles the voltage, not the amp limit
• Parallel doubles the amps but not the voltage

So, if you're running two 3.7v batteries in series, they become one 7.4v battery at the same amp rating. Two 2500mAh batteries in series become one 2500mAh battery with twice the voltage. Now, the doubled voltage means there is less strain on the battery due to the equation: I = P/V. This means that your coil will draw about half of the amps from the battery it did before (which means the batteries last about twice as long). So, it has the effect of doubling the charge cycle of the battery.

In parallel, two 3.7v 2500mAh batteries still can only output 3.7v but the batteries share the amperage. So if both have a 20A limit, you will effectively get 40A out of them.

Ok, so if I had build a (.2) in a parallel and a series, the series would blow bigger clouds but parallel would last longer.

Now say I had build b (.08) in each, series would blow bigger clouds (but might go boom)
Parallel will function like normal (a single battery mech) but will be way safer and last longer? (And probably no boom)

 

[BigEgo]

Ok, so if I had build a (.2) in a parallel and a series, the series would blow bigger clouds but parallel would last longer.

Now say I had build b (.08) in each, series would blow bigger clouds (but might go boom)
Parallel will function like normal (a single battery mech) but will be way safer and last longer? (And probably no boom)

In an unregulated mod, coil resistance obviously matters. In regulated mods it doesn't matter at all (as far as the batteries are concerned).

Basically, in mech mods, it all boils down to Ohm's law which is :

I = V/R

Since parallel boxes effectively double the amps, then you simply take your battery voltage (3.7v nominal) and divide it by the coil resistance (let's say .2Ω). So,

3.7/.2 = 18.5A

If you're using 20A continuous batteries (you should be using at least that), then one battery will be able to handle this at a 3.7v charge.

In mech mods, you put the most stress on the battery with the higher charge it has (it's the opposite on regulated mods -- they stress batteries more as the battery drains). Since most batteries charge to 4.2v full, it makes more sense to use that number as a "worst case":

4.2/.2 = 21A

So on one fresh battery you are already slightly over the continuous limit (probably won't hurt a quality battery like the 25R). If you're running two batteries in parallel, then you have 40A to play with. However, keep in mind that if one battery fails, the other battery takes on the full load, so it's best to have some safety net on a mech. Personally, I wouldn't build much below about a .2, even in parallel.

 

[J Wo]

As an Electrician I emphatically agree with "BigEgo"'s explanations, they are exactly correct. The reasong I encourage the use of regulated mods is because most of them have built in safety features so that if one battery goes caputsky the device will protect the user and not fire. Also it seems that most of the devices I've seen both Mechanical and Regulated are designed to vent away from the user and to contain the runaway battery while it undergoes conditions.

Vape safe and Vape happy.

 

[AngieMcSkruf]

Thanks, so you pretty much confirmed what I thought. I wasn't confused until a vape shop told me series doubles the amps and parallel doubles the mah. Horrible horrible info, and that's the same place the sparking mechs came from, so I'm done with that place.

 

[sofarsogood]

Will onboard charging with batteries inseries will take twice as long as a paralell arrangement?

 

[AngieMcSkruf]

I feel like onboard charging of series batteries would be a bad idea because wouldn't one have to be fully charged then the current passes through the charged battery to the other causing added stress on the first one. Not to mention, one battery always gets more stressed than the other so you're supposed to rotate every cycle