Frenilla

[Storm52]

Placed my second order, while waiting on CLS to finish steeping (born on 2/12). Ordered the frenilla after reading all of the comments. I tried betelgeuse and gravity in a pt2 and didn't have that aha moment. I'm going to try them in a carto, as Clark mentioned on the website that the flavors are muted in the bccs. A better explanation, is they smell a whole lot better than the taste I'm getting, so it has to be on my end. I'm going to skip putting cls in a bcc as I don't want to ruin any!

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

Storm are you rebuilding your PT heads or using stock heads. I find rebuilt heads to make a world of difference IMO. And if you are rebuilding them what ohms are you building them at?

 

[Storm52]

Megan: I'm rebuilding pretty much back to stock. 32ga kanthal, 2mm silica wick with 3 strands from a 1mm. Coming out 2.2 - 2.3. I tried the betel and gravity with new heads. With gravity I tasted a bit of citrus, like a tangerine, but not much else. Betelguese was mildly sweet, but I couldn't detect any flavors. Was almost like a fruit punch that had set too long in a tall glass of ice.

 

[Gators]

In my experience, it would be extremely tough to have an "aha" moment with any juice in a PT2 or even an Aerotank. Other juices may have a noticeable improvement in a KF style atomizer or rda, but to me, NT juice really shines in my KFL+ and RDAs. I just don't think I can get myself to use a PT for these juices anymore when I know how much I'm missing out on. If you're into rebuildables, you should give it a shot and you will be much more likely to have that "aha" moment you're expecting.

Also, I've noticed that CLS seems to require less steep time than Frenilla and CB. My GCD didn't seem to need more than a few days either, but I've only had it for about a week (born on 2/13). If it gets much better than how it is now, I would be very surprised.

 

[revco]

I didn't even get a chance to put my BG in the pro-tank, so I don't have much advice with the specific juice. I'm also of the opinion that pretty much all the NT juices excel the most in RDA's/RBA's for me. I did try H1N1 in a Pro-Tank today...it's good, but definitely significantly muted from an RDA/RBA. I might have a different impression of it were that my only introduction.

You might try a cotton wick sometime. It takes a bit to get the hang of the right amount, but once you hit it, it's not a half bad vape and is a huge difference from silica. I'd say a cotton build is somewhere like maybe 50-60% of an RDA/RBA setup, totally non-scientifically. I still build with Ekowool myself, but that's because I like those Kanger's easy-peasy and I do have RDA's/RBA's that I run cotton on exclusively. I'd say it's worth a shot though, should make them shine a bit more.

Edit: By the way, if you're rebuilding Kanger's, you're like a stone's throw from an RDA and you'd find them actually easier. Pick up an IGO-L or -W, some 28GA kanthal and a bag of organic/sterile wick and you're set. Helps much if you have an APV, particularly with an ohm checker.

 

[Kent Brooks]

Megan: I'm rebuilding pretty much back to stock. 32ga kanthal, 2mm silica wick with 3 strands from a 1mm. Coming out 2.2 - 2.3. I tried the betel and gravity with new heads. With gravity I tasted a bit of citrus, like a tangerine, but not much else. Betelguese was mildly sweet, but I couldn't detect any flavors. Was almost like a fruit punch that had set too long in a tall glass of ice.

Storm are you rebuilding your PT heads or using stock heads. I find rebuilt heads to make a world of difference IMO. And if you are rebuilding them what ohms are you building them at?

In my experience, it would be extremely tough to have an "aha" moment with any juice in a PT2 or even an Aerotank. Other juices may have a noticeable improvement in a KF style atomizer or RDA, but to me, NT juice really shines in my KFL+ and RDAs. I just don't think I can get myself to use a PT for these juices anymore when I know how much I'm missing out on. If you're into rebuildables, you should give it a shot and you will be much more likely to have that "aha" moment you're expecting.

Also, I've noticed that CLS seems to require less steep time than Frenilla and CB. My GCD didn't seem to need more than a few days either, but I've only had it for about a week (born on 2/13). If it gets much better than how it is now, I would be very surprised.

I didn't even get a chance to put my BG in the pro-tank, so I don't have much advice with the specific juice. I'm also of the opinion that pretty much all the NT juices excel the most in RDA's/RBA's for me. I did try H1N1 in a Pro-Tank today...it's good, but definitely significantly muted from an RDA/RBA. I might have a different impression of it were that my only introduction.

You might try a cotton wick sometime. It takes a bit to get the hang of the right amount, but once you hit it, it's not a half bad vape and is a huge difference from silica. I'd say a cotton build is somewhere like maybe 50-60% of an RDA/RBA setup, totally non-scientifically. I still build with Ekowool myself, but that's because I like those Kanger's easy-peasy and I do have RDA's/RBA's that I run cotton on exclusively. I'd say it's worth a shot though, should make them shine a bit more.

Edit: By the way, if you're rebuilding Kanger's, you're like a stone's throw from an RDA and you'd find them actually easier. Pick up an IGO-L or -W, some 28GA kanthal and a bag of organic/sterile wick and you're set. Helps much if you have an APV, particularly with an ohm checker.

Since you are competent at rebuilding Protank heads - the best bang for the buck solution is to use 28gu Kanthal instead of 32gu Kanthal, wrap a microcoil (MKR could tell you precisely how many wraps to start with, then adjust from there, if I recall, 7-8 wraps or so), and use a cotton wick instead of silica. Snagging a cheap dripper isn't a bad idea either, and will result with better performance overall - but a micro-coiled PT is still the best low-cost tank solution for someone that already has the hardware and the skills. The Kayfun is the next logical step up for a tank, but no need to do that for a 1 specific liquid - do that on your own time (and budget). One or both may never trip your trigger, but it mostly likely won't be because they are bland - the most likely culprit is actually the opposite - too much flavor and throat hit (due to have 65% PG). You are on the Jedi path storm. May the force be with you!

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

Megan: I'm rebuilding pretty much back to stock. 32ga kanthal, 2mm silica wick with 3 strands from a 1mm. Coming out 2.2 - 2.3. I tried the betel and gravity with new heads. With gravity I tasted a bit of citrus, like a tangerine, but not much else. Betelguese was mildly sweet, but I couldn't detect any flavors. Was almost like a fruit punch that had set too long in a tall glass of ice.

Sorry I didn't get back to you last night, passed out.

Okay, any head higher than 1.9 ohms is not good with NT at all IMO. I have tried going higher as it extends battery life but for me a PT head at 1.2-1.5 is the sweet spot. The lower you go the better everything tastes. 1.9 and higher everything is bland and just not there at all. Nanno coil with cotton wick 29 or 30 gage and you can't go wrong.

 

[Storm52]

I'll start with lowering resistance on build. I haven't had much luck with cotton in the pt2. Either get flooding (too little cotton) or light hits (too little or too tightly wrapped). If I ever find the sweet spot for cotton wick, I know the happy dance will occur. I don't like losing even small amounts of the juice. I know the flavor is there because of the smell! Unfortunately, my cartos are 2.2s, which are far above the suggested 1.2 - 1.5 sweet spot. I put gravity in a 1.8 stock coil today and getting great vapor and a bit better taste. Stuff makes me thirsty!

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

I'll start with lowering resistance on build. I haven't had much luck with cotton in the pt2. Either get flooding (too little cotton) or light hits (too little or too tightly wrapped). If I ever find the sweet spot for cotton wick, I know the happy dance will occur. I don't like losing even small amounts of the juice. I know the flavor is there because of the smell! Unfortunately, my cartos are 2.2s, which are far above the suggested 1.2 - 1.5 sweet spot. I put gravity in a 1.8 stock coil today and getting great vapor and a bit better taste. Stuff makes me thirsty!

People have compared Gravity to Baha Blast...

 

[Fenris4024]

Alright, my experiences thus far (using a rewicked Aerotank/ PT3 head) for Virus (since my normal Virus device is getting a bath as we speak dirty dirty little REO that it is!) is on 18ga blunt syringe tip (I believe its 1.65mm if you want technicalities), 10 wraps of 28ga Kanthal, smooshed together into a micro gives me a 1.3 ohm reading on the Vamo (my DMM was being fritzy this morning, so I'm not sure the EXACT ohms, but another device verifies it at 1.3 ohms as well)....

Anyhow... what I did, since the PT3 heads are initially Dual coils (and trust me, it doesn't help flavor at all like it can in a dripper!) was to thread the cotton, leaving a lonnng tail to one side. I then brought this over the coil ala a flavor wick (and to take up space since its a much bigger "build area" than a standard PT head)

Works amazingly well, and the flavor isn't all that muted at all. I'll edit with some pics once I do the next one if it helps or is needed. In a PT2 head (the "basic" model) you might not need the extra flavor fluff on top to seal the gap, but a tiny bit can't hurt. (might also save "spitback" up the chimney as well.

I tested this on both the Vamo (from 6-11 watts) as well in voltage mode 3.7-4.2v, and also on my mech with a fresh 30amp 18650 on it (once again, 4.2v) Preforms super amazing on the mech, but most things do, but in a VV/ VW device (or heck, even just a standard EGO) seems to be a solid build.

Continue the path young Jedi....

 

[Storm52]

I didn't think or realize you can micro coil in a bcc..which in my mind is a tightly wrapped coil-no space between wraps. I'll have to grab some thicker wire as my 32ga with micro would be terribly high resistance. Without having "flavor wick" in the pt2s, I get leaking. That bit of fluff on top of the coil must work as a filler/seal. Thanks for all the help!

 

[Fenris4024]

sure thing! If you're micro'ing with cotton in a PT, it tastes sooooooo much better.... depending on the size of the coil (diameter) you may or may not need the "flavor wick".... fo rme, with cotton, its just MORE FLAVOR! (and it also acts as assurance that I am not wasting any precious Nicoticket Juices!)

Btw, pics taken of my last rewick on the PT3... think I'll blog them instead of potentially derailing this thread further.... gimme a few and I'll have them up if ya wanna take a look....

 

[Fenris4024]

After running my recoil, this Virus is coming through soooooooo much better.... I'm lovin' it!

*WARNING: SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION HERE*​

If you want to see my method for how I redo PT3/ Aerotank heads, specifically in the lower ohm ranges so we can taste all the awesomness that is Kent and Katy's ambrosias, check my blog entries. Feedback is also much appreciated on it.

 

[Storm52]

Received my frenilla order today, with a nice surprise bump from Clark. It is in the steep mode and I just ordered some 28ga kanthal and a kayfun lite. My savings in the sig banner isn't a true representation of $ in my pocket given my recent purchases!

 

[jdrewry]

Received my frenilla order today, with a nice surprise bump from Clark. It is in the steep mode and I just ordered some 28ga kanthal and a kayfun lite. My savings in the sig banner isn't a true representation of $ in my pocket given my recent purchases!

As long as you don't go completely insane, the money balances out in the end....

 

[keithu2]

As long as you don't go completely insane, the money balances out in the end....

.. . . not if you hang out on this thread. Mod'/atty' envy is highly contagious . . . .

 

[jdrewry]

.. . . not if you hang out on this thread. Mod'/atty' envy is highly contagious . . . .

LOL..hence the saying, "Don't go completely insane".

Of course, you can go on a spree every now and then...

 

[ScandaLeX]

Placed my second order, while waiting on CLS to finish steeping (born on 2/12). Ordered the frenilla after reading all of the comments. I tried betelgeuse and gravity in a pt2 and didn't have that aha moment. I'm going to try them in a carto, as Clark mentioned on the website that the flavors are muted in the bccs. A better explanation, is they smell a whole lot better than the taste I'm getting, so it has to be on my end. I'm going to skip putting cls in a bcc as I don't want to ruin any!

I get this from both juices no matter what I put them in.

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

 

[ScandaLeX]

As long as you don't go completely insane, the money balances out in the end....

And how long till the end? I haven't saved a dime.

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

And how long till the end? I haven't saved a dime.

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

Me either!