Frustrated with DIY

[simplyme82]

DIY is really kicking my ..... I've been in the "lab" all day trying to figure out a good combination.

I did a strawberry banana and it was great in taste but lacked TH, so I figured I would add some NIC. After adding the NIC the vape became very harsh and was the exact same as my first try at DIY with watermelon.

Figured I would start basic. I took an ice tray and started dropping liquid into 3 of the slots.

Using the e-juice calculator I entered the following:
Nic Strength - 0
Target Nic - 0
Amount to make - 3ml
Flav1 Grape - 10% 15% 20% = 6 9 12 drops
PG - 70% - 30 drops (although this changes when I add more flavor, I didn't change the amount)
VG - 30% - 18 drops

Tasted all 3 and decided that I liked the flavor at 20% more. Figured I had a base and added NIC to the calculator.

Nic Strength - 24mg
Target Nic - 12 (had to go with 12 as this zeros out adding more PG)
Amount to make - 5ml
Grape - 20%
Nic - 50 drops
PG 70% - 0 drops
VG 30% - 30 drops
Grape - 20 drops

Taste was good but lacked throat hit, so I dropped in more nic increasing by 10 until I got the hit that I want. In all added 20 more drops. I got the hit, but it was harsh and the flavor was off.

So overall, my question is, if I want 70/30 PG/VG with a target of 18mg, is my only option to increase the Strength of my Nic? I guess another option would be to do away with the 70/30 PG/VG and go with 95/5 so that PG zeros out. So I compromise the amount of vapor I get for flavor?

Back to the lab.

 

[zoiDman]

You have to mix something and then let it sit for 2 or 3 days. I hate the term but many people cal it "steeping".

 

[Shilo]

70 drops of nicotine in a 5 ml sample? Isn't that over 2 mls? I think 70 drops would make the nic content somewhere betweeen 20-30 percent. Is the nic in vg or pg? Are you using the ejuicemeup thingie? I really recommend that one.

 

[Shilo]

Higher VG makes less flavor and more clouds of vapor--- Higher PG more TH and more taste but milder vapor clouds.

 

[wendallb]

Use this http://ejuice.breaktru.com/Calculator and it will help. I think you are adding way too much nic to a small bottle..

Taste can also vary between using a addy and a carto..

WendallB

 

[simplyme82]

I'm using the e-juice me up calculator. Just went back to the lab to try the 95/5 PG/VG. The NIC is 100% PG. Mixed up a batch of strawberry/banana again. The TH is still harsh. I'm trying to figure out the best way to describe this. It's a nice throat hit, but I feel like it's scratching my throat. The taste isn't as good as it was the first time with less TH.

The watermelon I made about a week ago still has that harsh feeling.

Nic strength 100% PG - 24mg
Target - 18mg
Amount to make - 5ml
Strawberry 10%
Banana 10%

Nic - 3.75ml or 75 drops
PG - 95% = 0 drops (zeros out PG to maintain positive numbers)
VG - 5% = 5 drops
Strawberry - 10 drops
Banana - 10 drops

 

[Shilo]

I punched this into the calculator
Nic strength 100% PG - 24mg
Target - 18mg
Amount to make - 5ml
Strawberry 10%
Banana 10%

and got 50 drops of PG nic for a 70/30 so that mix was correct.

the 95/5 is 50 drops nic pg and 25 more drops of PG PLAIN and 5 drops VG and the drops for your two flavors.

 

[simplyme82]

I punched this into the calculator
Nic strength 100% PG - 24mg
Target - 18mg
Amount to make - 5ml
Strawberry 10%
Banana 10%

and got 50 drops of PG nic for a 70/30 so that mix was correct.

the 95/5 is 50 drops nic pg and 25 more drops of PG PLAIN and 5 drops VG

WOW! That may explain it, but what did I do wrong? I got completely different numbers.

 

[Shilo]

WOW! That may explain it, but what did I do wrong? I got completely different numbers.View attachment 65747

Everytime you change something hit the calculate button at the bottom it doesn't recalculate on its own every time-- what you are doing is essentially keeping it at 24 mg strength by adding 75 drops PG nic which it was to begin with...lol I know me and my husband fought over this the first week til we got this calculator. Try putting it in again and hit calculate.

 

[simplyme82]

The picture is after I hit calculate

 

[Shilo]

WOW! That may explain it, but what did I do wrong? I got completely different numbers.View attachment 65747

I got it wrong I thought you were lowering it to 12 mg because TH was too high - sorry. With nic that is only 24 mg you only have a few options and your calculation was right.

 

[wendallb]

Try to add some EM or vape wizard... this will most times tone the harsh down..

Also where did you get your nic?

 

[hazmatjack]

from a mathematical perspective to the desired nic level...
starting with 24mg trying to reach 18 is 75% of original nic..this means no matter what 75% of the nic juice is going to be pg...flavors are figured as pg due to the viscosity of them...thin
then adding flavors is 20%
therefore only leaving 5% space for filler 75+20+5= 100
24mg is hard to reach outside of say 12 or 6 mg... unless the nic itself is a premix 80/20 70/30
that is my logic I try to use as I mix
mixing is easiest for me to think of in terms of 1/2 or 1/4 of base 48 to 24 48/12
I am no chemist there could be more to it, I try to keep it simple in my mind

 

[minigoat]

simplyme82

There may be a way to add more TH: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/211858-how-do-you-add-throat-hit-your-juice.html

I haven't tried this myself, may be worth a shot

 

[simplyme82]

Try to add some EM or vape wizard... this will most times tone the harsh down..

Also where did you get your nic?

Got my nic from ecigexpress. (4) 30ml bottles cost me $32.

4 x Unflavored e-Liquid 24mg Nicotine 30ml (Select VG or PG or 50/50 mix) (E-LIQUID-24MG)
PG or VG PG

Where can I get either EM or vape wizard? Also, if ecigexpress is no good, where is anotehr good place to get NIC?

 

[wendallb]

You can get EM from TPA and Vape wizard is FA which you can get at Liberty-Flights..I would not use both and vape wizard is easier because you will have to mix EM with PG.

 

[zoiDman]

JSYK - EM is "Cotton Candy" at TPA.

 

[judybr]

Is anyone still here?
I downloaded that ejuicemeup tool and it won't even open. I now have what I need to start playing and can't use the tool.
Is there another place online where it doesn't need to be downloaded?

Thanks!
Judy

 

[Lyndagayle]

I use Scubabatdan's excel spreadsheet calculator. Go to this link http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...alculator-added-quantity-calculations-32.html Scroll down to post #623. Underneath his signature you'll see a link to download it. Don't let it intimidate you. It's really very easy to use and it will calculate your cost per ml, and many other helpful tools there. Give it a shot!

 

[judybr]

Lynda,
Thanks!!
That's what I thought I was downloading, eeek
Anyway, I see I must reinstall office, could be the whole problem here. This puter crashed some time back and I had it fixed and never added all of my sofware back on, ugh!
Thank you!
Judy