Fustrated :(

[CrunchyBennett]

Hi Lads & ladets - please help me out if you would. My build is a hana modz Mini, with a kayfun 3.1 ontop, running at 1.0ohm.

My problem is, I recently done my first ever 're-coiling and wicking' which as above came out at 1.0ohm.

Ive been using Jaccs 3mg Custard for the last couple of days, which I was so impressed with !!!
(I've always used Kanger Aerotanks, and nautilus Aspire's, so building and tasting this Kayfun was immense!)

Anyways - I ordered a variety of different juices (Suicide Bunny, Five Pawns, Kings Crown etc.) online, and in excitement,
ive taken my kafun apart, leaving the coil in, but cleaning and and re-wicking the RBA.

Upon refilling my Kafun with Suicide Bunny Derailed (3mg)... it tastes boring, nothing, just a very light taste - So disappointed.

So, emptied again, cleaned, re-wicked, and filled back up with Kings Crown fight your fate (3mg also)... And same again.

So 3rd time of cleaning and re-wicking I put some Five Pawns in - which is nice... but that's it, nice... The Jaccs custard was
strong (flavour), almost sickly & too much. But that's what I want, taste. Some Umph! Not a massive nicotine fix, just a nice taste.

What am I doing wrong? Anything?
Is it the juice?
Is it me?

Please enlighten me!

Kind Regards,

 

[Kaezziel]

Did you try going back to the Jaccs custard to see if the flavour came back for you? Just curious is something strange happened with the build during the re-wick process...

 

[Lova]

Hi Lads & ladets - please help me out if you would. My build is a Hana Modz Mini, with a Kayfun 3.1 ontop, running at 1.0ohm.

My problem is, I recently done my first ever 're-coiling and wicking' which as above came out at 1.0ohm.

Ive been using Jaccs 3mg Custard for the last couple of days, which I was so impressed with !!!
(I've always used Kanger Aerotanks, and Nautilus Aspire's, so building and tasting this Kayfun was immense!)

Anyways - I ordered a variety of different juices (Suicide Bunny, Five Pawns, Kings Crown etc.) online, and in excitement,
ive taken my kafun apart, leaving the coil in, but cleaning and and re-wicking the RBA.

Upon refilling my Kafun with Suicide Bunny Derailed (3mg)... it tastes boring, nothing, just a very light taste - So disappointed.

So, emptied again, cleaned, re-wicked, and filled back up with Kings Crown fight your fate (3mg also)... And same again.

So 3rd time of cleaning and re-wicking I put some Five Pawns in - which is nice... but that's it, nice... The Jaccs custard was
strong (flavour), almost sickly & too much. But that's what I want, taste. Some Umph! Not a massive nicotine fix, just a nice taste.

What am I doing wrong? Anything?
Is it the juice?
Is it me?

Please enlighten me!

Kind Regards,

You could try dryburning your coils to get rid of all residues from last juice and all other gunk on your coil, and have you rewicked it exactly the same every time and kept the power settings same? Kayfun is a 'flavor chaser' atty as far as I have heard, so it 'boosts' the juice flavor to a point where it tastes too much for some.

Other than that, I am clueless

 

[CrunchyBennett]

You guys are so on the ball - for the record I've never been a forum member of anything where people respond so quick!

I'll do it right now, empty, clean, dry burn and try Jaccs Custard again.

Thank you both for your responses, i'll post below when done and tested.

 

[Kaezziel]

Fingers crossed and breath bated!

 

[tj99959]

Really went to low with the resistance in a KF for use with a DNA chip set. We find as a general rule they work better if you stay above 1.5 ohms. You run into inability to regulate the wattage otherwise. So redo your coil at about 1.5-2 ohms, and make sure your wick isn't choked off by being to tight in the coil, or so long that it's blocking the juice channels. The hanna places plenty of watts at your disposal, so you might just as well build your coil so that you can use them.

 

[CrunchyBennett]

Back!

Right - Cleaned out, dry fired, re-wicked (again), and Jaccs custard in.. Strong and sickly, as I want it.

Why can't I gain this from any other juices? Surely all of the juices ive purchased can't be this 'weak'?

For the record, I havn't changed any ohmage, or voltage.

Thank you all again

 

[Kaezziel]

Hmmm... may be the juices, mate... I know that Derailed needed a good steep for me... (even then I didn't like it... too much banana)

Fight Your Fate was a bit light flavored in comparison to some other juices as well... custards are typically quite strongly flavoured....

I've not tried 5 Pawns, so can't comment there... might try as TJ suggested and up your resistance by throwing a few more wraps on the coil... and checking your wick... by the way, you didn't say what you are using for wick...

 

[CrunchyBennett]

Well, that's disappointing

Could you explain what the PG/VG Blend is all about ?

 

[Kaezziel]

Higher VG gives a more dense vapor, but is harder to wick appropriately (it has a thicker consistency).
Higher PG typically carries flavor better and wicks easier, but the vapor is a bit more thin and wispy...

Very high VG liquid is best used in dripper set-ups (most of the time).
I assume that you are using cotton as a wicking medium... is that correct?

 

[CrunchyBennett]

Oh ok, thank you.

For my RDA Dripper, I have 80/20, which makes sense!

Im using cotton for wicking, yes.

I cant find what VG/PG the Jaccs Custard is - which would help me find out if its the mixture maybe?

The Five pawns, along with the rest of my juices is 50/50

 

[Kaezziel]

50/50 should wick fine in the Kayfun... even at 20pg/80vg, you should still have good flavor, though...
I think that you are just looking for more flavor than you're going to get from those juices... custard is a heavy flavour that sits on the tongue a bit longer than fruity flavors...
You should be able to taste the Derailed, though... it is another heavy flavour.

I suggest trying the juices in your dripper in order to compare the flavors... for instance, since you couldn't taste Derailed in the Kayfun, throw some in your dripper and see how it tastes there...

 

[mbzdyk]

I have been at it for 2 months now, so my advice is not worth much. I also have a 3.1 and in the beginning I had similar problems. My solution was to try different rewicking styles. Turns out that there is a learning curve when wicking. My first problem was to much rayon, second problem was wrong placement. Now I can vape the kayfun 1.3 ohm at 20 watts and still no burnt taste, when I started out I couldn't go over 8 watts.
Also, you might play with air adjustment. I found that a tighter draw helped with thicker juice or a bad rewicking job. Not a perfect fix, but will keep you vaping until you dial in your build.

 

[tj99959]

For the record, I havn't changed any ohmage, or voltage.

Question; how do you set the voltage on a Hanna mod?

I'm just trying to gain an understanding of your experience level.

 

[CrunchyBennett]

50/50 should wick fine in the Kayfun... even at 20pg/80vg, you should still have good flavor, though...
I think that you are just looking for more flavor than you're going to get from those juices... custard is a heavy flavour that sits on the tongue a bit longer than fruity flavors...
You should be able to taste the Derailed, though... it is another heavy flavour.

I suggest trying the juices in your dripper in order to compare the flavors... for instance, since you couldn't taste Derailed in the Kayfun, throw some in your dripper and see how it tastes there...

That sounds a good plan, and you are probably right - maybe im expecting too much?
I'll give them a go on the dripper and take it from there!

I have been at it for 2 months now, so my advice is not worth much. I also have a 3.1 and in the beginning I had similar problems. My solution was to try different rewicking styles. Turns out that there is a learning curve when wicking. My first problem was to much rayon, second problem was wrong placement. Now I can vape the kayfun 1.3 ohm at 20 watts and still no burnt taste, when I started out I couldn't go over 8 watts.
Also, you might play with air adjustment. I found that a tighter draw helped with thicker juice or a bad rewicking job. Not a perfect fix, but will keep you vaping until you dial in your build.

I thought the hard part was coiling, but I've watched 10's of vidoes on the old YouTube on Kayfun coiling, and I cant see the mistakes that im potentially making

Question; how do you set the voltage on a Hanna mod?

I'm just trying to gain an understanding of your experience level.

When I say Voltage, what I was ment to say was, Wattage
My Experience level is very low.. This is my first ever RBA. I do not deny I am I noob at this and have a vast majority too learn!

 

[tj99959]

When I say Voltage, what I was ment to say was, Wattage
My Experience level is very low.. This is my first ever RBA. I do not deny I am I noob at this and have a vast majority too learn!

Now that we're on the same page what wattage are you using your KF at?

The reason I ask this is because different flavorings have different flash points.
Sometimes flavors need less wattage, and sometimes they need more.

 

[CrunchyBennett]

Now that we're on the same page what wattage are you using your KF at?

Im currently vaping on 8.5w (which is automatically reading 3.6v on the hanna's screen)..

But I haven't changed the Wattage since messing between these flavours - Increasing the wattage is only making the vape warmer, too an extent where it is burning

 

[tj99959]

Then your coil is actually 1.5 ohms. (8.5w @ 3.6v = 1.5 ohms.)

BTW the Hanna DNA-20 & 30 can't adjust DOWN to 3.6v with a fresh battery. So you are vaping at ambient voltage until your battery is depleted down to 3.6v. So 11.76 watts on a fresh battery (4.2v) with a 1.5 coil, even tho' it's set at 8.5 watts.

Do you have a Hanna, or a Hanna clone? (different chip sets) also DNA 20-30 or 40?

Same applies for the DNA-30, DNA-40 has step down.

 

[CrunchyBennett]

Then your coil is actually 1.5 ohms. (8.5w @ 3.6v = 1.5 ohms.)

BTW the Hanna DNA-20 & 30 can't adjust DOWN to 3.6v with a fresh battery. So you are vaping at ambient voltage until your battery is depleted down to 3.6v. So 11.76 watts on a fresh battery (4.2v) with a 1.5 coil, even tho' it's set at 8.5 watts.

Do you have a Hanna, or a Hanna clone? (different chip sets) also DNA 20-30 or 40?

Same applies for the DNA-30, DNA-40 has step down.

I've read this about 5 times for it too sink in

I have a Genuine Hanna Modz V3 Mini

Is that why my ohmage flashes for a while when my battery is quite full?

 

[tj99959]

I've read this about 5 times for it too sink in

I have a Genuine Hanna Modz V3 Mini

Is that why my ohmage flashes for a while when my battery is quite full?

Yes, the flashing means that it can't set the voltage down low enough for that wattage/resistance.

AND, you need to make some changes to your KF builds to be able to vape it at +11 watts. You're cooking the flavoring right out of some of those juices. (it's a temperature deal, not a wattage deal)

I'll be honest, I really didn't like my KF on a DNA mod. I use mine on a mechanical mod with a Evolv Kick-2 in it. (it has 'step down') My coil is 1.25 ohms, and the Kick is set at 9 watts. So the voltage is just 3.35v.
At 3.35v, a 18490 battery lasts pretty much all day.