General Mod+rda question

[Minotti]

I recently acquired my first mech mod and rda but i'm not receiving the vapor production i was hoping for. My setup is listed below
Mod: Purge Mods Rebellion Squonk
rda: Purge mods Carnage
Coil: prebuilt staggered clapton @ .18 Ohm
Battery: Hohm work 2531 MAH 18650
The batterys are about 6 months old but have only been used a couple of times.
Any help or tips on how i can get better cloud production is greatly appreciated.

 

[Anise]

What kind of eliquid are you using and what's the pg/vg ratio? (wow I sound like I know what I'm talking about )

 

[Minotti]

i vape house liquid from a local shop so i'm not sure on the pg/vg ratio. i would have to guess its probably 50-50 or 80-20.
I should also add that even with newer fully charged batteries i'm getting the same results. but when i throw it on my regulated mod it preforms just how i want it to

 

[Zaryk]

Have you researched ohms law and battery safety? Doing so is a must if your going to build for and use a mech mod. I am going to assume not since your first build exceeds the CDR of your batteries, and I am going to ask for you to look into these links before going any further.
(16) Explain it for the dumb noob: Ohm's Law calculations for a Mechanical Mod. | E-Cigarette Forum

(8) A Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod | E-Cigarette Forum

I will also mention that a low resistance dual coil build with lots of mass has a very slow ramp up time. This is why you see most single battery mech squonk users sporting single coil RDAs, less mass for better ramp up and battery life.

Building for a mech takes a lot more know-how than building for a regulated mod. It is much harder to get the vape you want since there is no adjustability to a mech, the coil determines the way it hits so it is very important to get it just right. It takes an experienced builder to be able to balance good vape quality and building within safe parameters all at the same time.

 

[sonicbomb]

^ What Zaryk said
super low resistance high mass coils are not really going to work well with a single battery mech even if the battery has a sufficiently high amp limit.

Juices heavy in VG will produce more vapor.

Mooch tested your cell to have a 20 amp CDR. A 0.18 ohm coil is going to be demanding 23.3 amps at full charge, so you are outside spec already. Pulling too many amps from a battery is going to result in a poor vape, excessive cell wear and in a worst case scenario a burnt face.

Holm Works are a battery rewrapper and best avoided in favor of a genuine cell from Sony, Samsung or LG. You may want to consider using a Sony VTC5a as this has a 25 amp CDR.

HohmWork 40.6A 2531mAh 18650 Bench Test Results...only a 20A battery but great, better than HE2

 

[Kazuko]

What wattage are you running it on your regulated mod? Building efficiently on a mech is tricky, because the power input is not regulated.
For exemple, a .18ohm build with a charged cell, when deducing voltage sag and voltage drop, it would output around 70W (very approximate, voltage sag depends on the cell and increases as the amp draw increases, voltage drop depends on the mod and RDA). Depending on your build, it could be sufficient, or far from enough.

It would be very much helpful to know the wire details (gauges of the cores and wrap, number of core strands), inner diameter and wrap counts of the coil.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Get rid of the staggered Claptons and try a single wire, single coil build that comes in at about 0.35 to 0.50. A single 18650 just isn't going to drive two high mass, low resistance coils without help from the chip in a VW mod.

As @Zaryk and @sonicbomb point out, you are damaging that battery by pushing it so hard. The lack of satisfactory results can lead people to just push harder. The end of that can make you the lead story on your local news.

Why did you think that a single cell mechanical device would safely produce more vapor than a variable wattage regulated device with that atty and coils?

It can, but the whole system has to be carefully designed to do so by the owner.

I see a lot of this. Somehow, somewhere, newer vapers have come to the conclusion that all they have to do is get a mech, pack a complex multiwire build into an RDA and presto.

It doesn't work like that.

 

[coolerat]

I recently acquired my first mech mod and RDA but i'm not receiving the vapor production i was hoping for. My setup is listed below
Mod: Purge Mods Rebellion Squonk
RDA: Purge mods Carnage
Coil: prebuilt staggered clapton @ .18 Ohm
Battery: Hohm work 2531 MAH 18650
The batterys are about 6 months old but have only been used a couple of times.
Any help or tips on how i can get better cloud production is greatly appreciated.

A single 18650 mech is a very limited device. On the surface they seem versatile but they require a ton of compromises.

You've listed what you have but it leads in several different directions.

Thats a low ohm coil which suggests you want high performance. That style of coil can arrive at that ohm by single or dual. If single its to much mass. If dual its waaaaaaaay to much mass.

That battery has ok life and medium amps. A single 18650 built for .18 would have very short life. You'd ABC (Always Be Charging) and have to carry several with you which is something I never do but others do. I only leave the house with triple battery mods. I do use singles but only around the house.

Using your current set up, assuming its all you have, I'd take some guesses. I have to assume you can build cause with mechs the build is everything.Each RDA has its own sweet spot and being able to hit the sweet spot on the first build would be pretty lucky indeed.

First of all I'd stick to round wire. Claptons are a great thing to have in the tool kit but with a single 18650 the ramp up time would drive me nuts. I's stick to kanthal. SS is great with mechs cause it gets the ohms down without adding mass but with a single battery I wouldn't. More so with that battery.



Then add in personal preference. Purge no purge. Hot vs cold.

A 28ga parallel would give massive power and almost no ramp up. Battery life would be decent. But to me 28ga is very hot on a long draw. This build would be if you don't purge and/or like a hot vape.

My preferred build and thats in the only single 18650 mech I still have is dual 24ga round wire kanthal. Comes it at .4 so is reasonably safe. Battery life is terrible but ok for a single battery. Ramp up time is shortish. Doesn't get hot on a long draw.

 

[sonicbomb]

Single battery mechs have acquired a heroic/macho status perpetrated in no small part by certain youtube reviewers/users. I've seen reviewers with tens of thousands of subscribers running builds well below 0.1 pulling 60-70 amps from some manky rewrapped 18650. Then posturing about how this is only for the advanced user, as if doing something fundamentally stupid is a skill. People being people will of course aspire to this.
"Look at how tough I am, I like to live dangerously..."

If you want a super hot high power vape, then a single battery mech is not the way to get it. Get yourself one of the hundreds of cheap high power regulated devices that the market is awash with.

If you enjoy the aesthetics, unwavering safety vigilance, and all the rest of the arcane peculiarities that come along with mechs then by all means get one. Just stay within a safe usage range.
But if impressing the plebeians with your vast plumes is your goal, then not.

 

[r055co]

A couple things here

• Get rid of that battery, get the Samsung 20S or Sony VTC5A (The Sammy 20S is best though)
• Wire and wire mass counts a lot, I run SS Fused Claptons with wrapping wire from 38g - 40g or so

 

[stols001]

Uh what wattage do you vape on your regulated mod? You're probably getting better production of vape (if it's a two battery mod) and your wattages are higher.

A single 18650 battery is not magically going to give you huge plumes of vape SIMPLY because it's a mech, as others have stated. If you are a high wattage, high build mass vaper, a single battery mod isn't going to suffice.

I have a single battery (protected) mod that I like a great deal, I have a 0.75 Clapton coil in there and it's a highly rated battery. I'd consider a dual coil build (and likely less mass-full coils, too) but only once I get the appropriate 20700 battery and even then, I'm not LOOKING for a HIGH VAPE build, I mean, I love the vape I get but you have to understand, I'm used to single coil, simple round wire builds in my RTAs (which I still enjoy vaping) so, it's a different situation.

The reason you aren't getting what you want has been pretty simply explained above I think. But mainly, you can't turn your Pinto into a Porsche by attaching the hood logo and then thinking it will go 200 mph. To affect performance you have to look at your ENGINE (battery) and your coil build (say, oh, gear ratios) and your juice (say oh, high octane gasoline) your brakes (SAFETY) and well, I'm sure there's more to mechs and cars but like, I am expending all mah knowledge with this analogy.

Mechs can BE great, you have to know how each one drives and handles and etc.

Good luck and the good news is you LIKE your regulated mod, right? Vape that for now while you are figuring out the rest.

Anna

 

[r055co]

Uh what wattage do you vape on your regulated mod? You're probably getting better production of vape (if it's a two battery mod) and your wattages are higher.

A single 18650 battery is not magically going to give you huge plumes of vape SIMPLY because it's a mech, as others have stated. If you are a high wattage, high build mass vaper, a single battery mod isn't going to suffice.

I have a single battery (protected) mod that I like a great deal, I have a 0.75 Clapton coil in there and it's a highly rated battery. I'd consider a dual coil build (and likely less mass-full coils, too) but only once I get the appropriate 20700 battery and even then, I'm not LOOKING for a HIGH VAPE build, I mean, I love the vape I get but you have to understand, I'm used to single coil, simple round wire builds in my RTAs (which I still enjoy vaping) so, it's a different situation.

The reason you aren't getting what you want has been pretty simply explained above I think. But mainly, you can't turn your Pinto into a Porsche by attaching the hood logo and then thinking it will go 200 mph. To affect performance you have to look at your ENGINE (battery) and your coil build (say, oh, gear ratios) and your juice (say oh, high octane gasoline) your brakes (SAFETY) and well, I'm sure there's more to mechs and cars but like, I am expending all mah knowledge with this analogy.

Mechs can BE great, you have to know how each one drives and handles and etc.

Good luck and the good news is you LIKE your regulated mod, right? Vape that for now while you are figuring out the rest.

Anna

Agree

Mech's are all about the right combination and it's a balancing act. I'm a Mech fan and rarely use regulated Mod's, with Mech's you need to try a number of builds that work well with the Atty, Mech and Battery combination for me that's a major part of why I enjoy Mech's (that and IMO they provide the best Vape).

If you wanna bet a Clouds Bro ditch the single battery Mod's and go with a series Mod. More power, more wire mass without abusing the batteries with stupid low builds. Wire mass + more power = Clouds Bro

 

[Zaryk]

Agree

Mech's are all about the right combination and it's a balancing act. I'm a Mech fan and rarely use regulated Mod's, with Mech's you need to try a number of builds that work well with the Atty, Mech and Battery combination for me that's a major part of why I enjoy Mech's (that and IMO they provide the best Vape).

If you wanna bet a Clouds Bro ditch the single battery Mod's and go with a series Mod. More power, more wire mass without abusing the batteries with stupid low builds. Wire mass + more power = Clouds Bro

I strongly disagree with suggesting a new mech user to to get a series mech. If something goes wrong, there is simply more potential for damage or injury. I always suggest a single battery mech if one wants to start out in the world of mechs. Once comfortable with a single battery mech and how it works, then I would say to move to bigger things.

 

[r055co]

I strongly disagree with suggesting a new mech user to to get a series mech. If something goes wrong, there is simply more potential for damage or injury. I always suggest a single battery mech if one wants to start out in the world of mechs. Once comfortable with a single battery mech and how it works, then I would say to move to bigger things.

Same rules apply, myself and many others our first Mech was a series mod. Series are no more dangerous, it's the same rules that apply.

 

[Zaryk]

Same rules apply, myself and many others our first Mech was a series mod. Series are no more dangerous, it's the same rules that apply.

I'm not saying the rules are different, but you are now suggesting a new to mechs user to double the potential energy stored in the device, which if something goes wrong, can double the potential damage done to a person or person's property. I strongly believe a new to mech user should use the device that could cause the least amount of damage in the case of an accident.

 

[r055co]

I'm not saying the rules are different, but you are now suggesting a new to mechs user to double the potential energy stored in the device, which if something goes wrong, can double the potential damage done to a person or person's property. I strongly believe a new to mech user should use the device that could cause the least amount of damage in the case of an accident.

Well if they build too low the batteries will vent at the same energy no matter, same rules same effect if you violate them. If a battery vents it'll vent the same for the same energy is stored, no matter if it's 8.4V or 4.2V.

 

[Zaryk]

Well if they build too low the batteries will vent at the same energy no matter, same rules same effect if you violate them. If a battery vents it'll vent the same for the same energy is stored, no matter if it's 8.4V or 4.2V.

Two batteries venting is not the same as one battery venting. No matter how you phrase it.

 

[r055co]

Two batteries venting is not the same as one battery venting. No matter how you phrase it.

Oh so it's about # of Batteries then? Well that's a whole different subject not just Series Mods that you should have designated. Well we're going to have to disagree again, many of use Mech users also recommend parallel's over single battery Mech's due to more wiggle room with builds, easier on the batteries and better performance. IMO you're being excessively paranoid, just stick to the simple rules and you're fine.

 

[r055co]

I recently acquired my first mech mod and RDA but i'm not receiving the vapor production i was hoping for. My setup is listed below
Mod: Purge Mods Rebellion Squonk
RDA: Purge mods Carnage
Coil: prebuilt staggered clapton @ .18 Ohm
Battery: Hohm work 2531 MAH 18650
The batterys are about 6 months old but have only been used a couple of times.
Any help or tips on how i can get better cloud production is greatly appreciated.

For new Mech Users

1. Ohm's law, Steam Engine | free vaping calculators makes it easy and there's even an app on it for Android
2. Batteries!, take good care of your batteries and know them!!!!!!!!
a. Avoid crap batteries like eFest, IMREN, MJXO, etc. who rewrap other batteries then grossly inflate their amp ratings. Stick only with authentic LG, Sony or Samsung from reputable (not eBay or Amazon) sources, great places to get authentic are from
Liion Wholesale Batteries | Li-ion battery/cell distributor
Earth's #1 source for IMR 18650 Batteries, Chargers, Cases & Wraps | IMRbatteries.com
Illumn.com - Flashlights, Batteries, Carry Gear, Intelligent LED Lighting, and More!
b. Stick well within Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) Not the "pulse" ratings, pulse is a garbage figure they just pull out of their butts.
c. Keep up to date with what Mooch tests and battery ratings, follow his posts on Facebook and his Blog
d. In Mod's with multipule batteries, marry them
e. Get some battery wraps, they're cheap and easy to re-wrap batteries. Any nicks,tears or what ever don't be stupid and just re-wrap.
3. Don't build stupid low a good builder can chuck and get awesome dense vape from a good build. It's simple, with 20 CDR Amp batteries -
a. Single battery mod's you're fine with .2 ohms on up
b. Dual Parallel you're fine with .15 on up. Parallel take the full Amp of one battery and then add 1/2 the Amp rating of the next battery
c. Series you double the voltage but you share the amps. So a series you build high with a lot of wire mass, no lower that .4 ohms.
4. Make sure you don't have any shorts. For an extra caution any new build I vape on a regulated mod for a few drips or with a tank about a 1/4 tank. This is to insure nothing wonky with my build like any shorts or what not.
5. Careful if it's not in your hand, if it doesn't have a lock on the button and you pit it in your pocket (which I really don't recommend) insure nothing else is in your pocket and it's loose. Don't want to put it in your front jeans pocket and blow your Johnson off ya know
6. Last but certainly NOT the least, keep it clean! Clean it when you first get it "before" you even use it and clean it on a regular basis.
a. Ultrasonics are a very good investment, got mine off Amazon for around $25.

 

[Zaryk]

Oh so it's about # of Batteries then? Well that's a whole different subject not just Series Mods that you should have designated. Well we're going to have to disagree again, many of use Mech users also recommend parallel's over single battery Mech's due to more wiggle room with builds, easier on the batteries and better performance. IMO you're being excessively paranoid, just stick to the simple rules and you're fine.

You can disagree all you like, and get as .... hurt as you like, doesn't change the fact that a new to mech user is less likely to mess up when using a more simple set up than when using a more complex set up. Sure, it can be just fine for some people, but you have no idea who you are suggesting these things to, and have no clue at their skill level. So keeping it simple is the absolute safest route for someone to start with, no matter how you look at it.