Genesis atomizer troubles - Please help me

[DreC]

CrazyRicanandPittbulls, I hope you don't mind if I use your thread to get some assistance as I do not want to start another "Genesis noob, help" post as the forum is full on that topic...

My problem is this. I have 400 mesh, have tried 32 & 28, 60/40 juice, 18630 protected Efest, Sigelei 19 e w/ Sigelei 8w top and bottom cap for improved electrical conduction. I built a working coil on my 3rd try using 32 with a 4/5 wrap via the Petar K method. Worked like a dream until I bumped it in my pocket & it started hot spotting. Watched some vids and everyone was saying to poke at it. I did and the coil popped.

Now I have tried 10 coils, with 32 & 28, fully carbonized mesh & partially carbonized mesh (including 3 using Petar K). I have a half dead battery and have been using the pulse method. I can get all of the coils to light evenly, but once I add juice, the hot spots return.

I have also tried the washer method, putting a spring on instead of the 3 nuts, everything I have seen on YouTube and no luck.

I have been coveting an iHybrid since the new ones are coming out soon or perhaps even a Zen, but if I cannot make this work...

Just got the girl friend a Provari (& every other custom thing she wanted to go with) & my knock-off mods just aren't cutting it anymore, lol.

Any things that are obvious that I missed? Am I just too hopeless to get a Genesis device to work? Everyone says I over think things & am ADD, perhaps that is the issue

Thank you all for any assistance you can provide!

 

[Jazzi Mike]

It could be your mesh. It may not be completely oxidized and giving you shorts. Have you noticed if your ohms stay the same or bounce around?

 

[DreC]

I have the worlds crappiest multimeter, it bounces around a little just touching the probes together, but I wait until it settles down, take down the offset and then test the coil. I have been between 1.5 and .9 on all of the coils I have built (always 3/4 and higher). I have even pulled apart a few of the wicks and found they are carbonized all the way through. I am simply at a loss. I will have to work at it some more, time at work permitting of course.

 

[alien502]

Once you add juice and the coil gets wet, they won't glow red. Is that the issue?

 

[DreC]

They do not glow until the wick runs dry. I seem to be able to make one hell of a wick though, as they seem to draw even when sitting straight up and down

 

[sixsix]

CrazyRicanandPittbulls, I hope you don't mind if I use your thread to get some assistance as I do not want to start another "Genesis noob, help" post as the forum is full on that topic...

My problem is this. I have 400 mesh, have tried 32 & 28, 60/40 juice, 18630 protected Efest, Sigelei 19 e w/ Sigelei 8w top and bottom cap for improved electrical conduction. I built a working coil on my 3rd try using 32 with a 4/5 wrap via the Petar K method. Worked like a dream until I bumped it in my pocket & it started hot spotting. Watched some vids and everyone was saying to poke at it. I did and the coil popped.

Now I have tried 10 coils, with 32 & 28, fully carbonized mesh & partially carbonized mesh (including 3 using Petar K). I have a half dead battery and have been using the pulse method. I can get all of the coils to light evenly, but once I add juice, the hot spots return.

I have also tried the washer method, putting a spring on instead of the 3 nuts, everything I have seen on YouTube and no luck.

I have been coveting an iHybrid since the new ones are coming out soon or perhaps even a Zen, but if I cannot make this work...

Just got the girl friend a Provari (& every other custom thing she wanted to go with) & my knock-off mods just aren't cutting it anymore, lol.

Any things that are obvious that I missed? Am I just too hopeless to get a Genesis device to work? Everyone says I over think things & am ADD, perhaps that is the issue

Thank you all for any assistance you can provide!

I really dislike the 'pulse' method.

Get your wick nice and oxidized before you put it in.
Try doing this to wrap your coil.

If you're still getting hot spots, try rotating the wick a bit between fires to build a little oxidation between the wick and the coil.
You'll be up and running in no time.

 

[LibertariaNate]

CrazyRicanandPittbulls, I hope you don't mind if I use your thread to get some assistance as I do not want to start another "Genesis noob, help" post as the forum is full on that topic...

My problem is this. I have 400 mesh, have tried 32 & 28, 60/40 juice, 18630 protected Efest, Sigelei 19 e w/ Sigelei 8w top and bottom cap for improved electrical conduction. I built a working coil on my 3rd try using 32 with a 4/5 wrap via the Petar K method. Worked like a dream until I bumped it in my pocket & it started hot spotting. Watched some vids and everyone was saying to poke at it. I did and the coil popped.

Now I have tried 10 coils, with 32 & 28, fully carbonized mesh & partially carbonized mesh (including 3 using Petar K). I have a half dead battery and have been using the pulse method. I can get all of the coils to light evenly, but once I add juice, the hot spots return.

I have also tried the washer method, putting a spring on instead of the 3 nuts, everything I have seen on YouTube and no luck.

I have been coveting an iHybrid since the new ones are coming out soon or perhaps even a Zen, but if I cannot make this work...

Just got the girl friend a Provari (& every other custom thing she wanted to go with) & my knock-off mods just aren't cutting it anymore, lol.

Any things that are obvious that I missed? Am I just too hopeless to get a Genesis device to work? Everyone says I over think things & am ADD, perhaps that is the issue

Thank you all for any assistance you can provide!

Sounds like you either still have a hot spot or a loop (or two) isn't in full contact with the wick. You want the wire snug to the wick, but not strangling it.

 

[DreC]

SixSix I did that method for the first coil I got working, but I could not get it to work the 2nd and 3rd time I tried, before trying other methods. The coils always light up beautifully, but once the wick goes in, hot spot city. Brush it to get rid of them, but the juice tastes burned. I am trying again, starting from the beginning, again...

 

[LibertariaNate]

Have you tried wrapping the coil directly to the wick in the device? I've never had any luck with SS mesh pre-wrapping the coil on a screw or drill bit then sliding the mesh through the coil.

 

[sixsix]

SixSix I did that method for the first coil I got working, but I could not get it to work the 2nd and 3rd time I tried, before trying other methods. The coils always light up beautifully, but once the wick goes in, hot spot city. Brush it to get rid of them, but the juice tastes burned. I am trying again, starting from the beginning, again...

Burnt taste is either a short or too much heat.

Throw an extra wrap on there, and give it plenty of time to oxidize. You can always take that wrap off later if it's not hot enough.

As far as hotspots go, I usually fire it > twist the wick > fire it > twist the wick > fire it > twist the wick, and repeat until it's good.

 

[DreC]

LibertariaNate I have tried hand wrapping. The first 2 I tried before the PetarK method popped almost instantly. I have tried the hand wrap multiple times, and while I have the coil pop once, I am having the issues described as well.

 

[sixsix]

LibertariaNate I have tried hand wrapping. The first 2 I tried before the PetarK method popped almost instantly. I have tried the hand wrap multiple times, and while I have the coil pop once, I am having the issues described as well.

What exactly do you mean by 'pop?'

Is it actually breaking in half?

 

[DreC]

I have had 3 coils break right at the top where the wire attaches to the Positive post. The first 2 I tried, then the working one (which broke when I "brushed" it). I have not had any breaks since, just hot spots that will not go away. I have been measuring the coils with my multimeter, and no matter how many wraps, or gauge, I keep coming out with sub-ohm. That would suggest either my meter is crap (ordered a Cartomizer and Atomizer Ohm Meter from RTD Vapor tonight). I am making sure there is no contact with the tube, or the base, so I know it is not shorting there. Perhaps it is shorting on the hole for the wick, but how is that possible when I heat and quench 5 times, plus burn it 4 times, and the whole thing is a solid coat of carbon from end to end? Perhaps I should drill it out like I did with the air hole...

Maybe I need to try silica. I have a spool of it, but it just does not seem right on a Genesis

 

[DreC]

Well, built yet another coil. It would actually fire on the girlfriends Provari, even thought all the others were reading E-1. This was a 5/4 wrap of 32 gauge kanthal. I free hand wrapped it. It would fire like all the others, and just like all the others, hot spot at the top that no amount of combing, coil tweaking, pulsing would get rid of. I give up trying on the AGA-T2 with mesh. I used JC Wests technique for silica. No hot spots, no burning, it just seems to work. To bad I have went through 2' of kanthal, 10 ml's of juice, and 24" sq. of 400 mesh to get here... Now I have a silica wick with a 1.9 Ohm coil (per the Provari) on a Sigelei 8w with the top cap removed and an silver taper Ego beauty ring, the Aga-T2 and an EnvisionVapor Amber drip tip.

I have noticed that the flavor is way different than on mesh and not as much vapor, so that is disappointing, but at least it is working after a fashion.

Thank you all for the head and sorry for the head aches that my mistakes might have caused. Hopefully the veterans got some laughs

 

[LibertariaNate]

I don't think anyone has built a successful coil on SS mesh the first time they have tried. I'd been doing it for over a year successfully with my Zenesis, but also recently picked up an AGA-T2 for use on my 510 mechanical mods. I don't know what it is about the T2, but I had to build and rebuild several coils before I could get it to work properly (the nut used to attach the wire to the + post is a ). It probably helps having another device you can use while trying to get a good coil built. They say practice makes perfect so keep trying; kanthal is cheap after all. Then again, if you're satisfied with silica, that's all that really matters.

 

[Fizzpop]

. The Atomizer is the AGA T2
.Stainless Steel mesh wick <<<<<<<<< Using coil and mesh it came with>>>>>>>>>>>>
.Stainless steel coil
, Im using a vision spinner on about 3.8-4.2, and I rolled it then torched till glowing then covered in liquid lit that on fire till it burnt out, did that 3 times with a final torch till glow

That isn't stainless steel, it is Kanthal resistance wire. Do not try to use just any old wire. You need to buy some 32ga Kanthal. I'll also toss in about the necessity for checking the resistance of your coil. Aim for somewhere between 2.3 and 2.8 Ohms.

As others have said, you really need more battery behind that. But aim for a 2.8Ohm coil at 3.8V - that will put you in the neighborhood of 5 Watts and 1.36 Amps, which should give a good (non-burnt) vape without pushing the safe amperage output of the eGo Spinner. (You have about 2.2A from that battery and want to stay comfortably below that.)

 

[HauntedMyst]

it tastes like ...

Hmm. more disturbing is that you know what ... tastes like.

Did you oxidize the wick with a torch? Try rewrapping it up to 6 wraps. Also, take a lighter to the coil before you wrap it. Make it glow just briefly.

 

[DreC]

What I have tried:
1. Pre-torch the mesh each time
2. Rolled the wick to fit the hole (small enough to not touch the sides) for free hand wrap.
3. Always torched the wire to carbonize and to take out the springiness.
4. Rolled to fit snugly into the wrap for the Petar K method.
5. Torched (tried both quenched and not) up to 5 times.
6. Burned with e-liquid up to 5 times.
7. Wrapped with both 28 and 32 gauge Kanthal.
8. Tried wraps of 4/3, 5/4, 6/5.
9. Placed a brass washer under the top screw to shorten the length of the positive wire.
10. Tried bending the negative leg up so it would not make so much contact with the deck.
11. Tried pulsing out the hot leg.
12. Tried brushing out the hot leg.
13. All coils are as evenly spaced from top to bottom as I can get them.
14. Tried building on both a clean and dirty deck to see if that made a difference.

I have opened one of the wicks and it is completely carbonized all the way through. I have probably gone through 15ml of juice trying to get this working

Are there any tricks that I have missed?

 

[Fizzpop]

Are there any tricks that I have missed?

Just a guess, but things may be tasting nasty because you are pumping too much power through your setup. What voltage are you using? I find aiming for about 5.5-6.5 Watts gives a good vape depending on the juice. Right now I've got a 2.4Ohm coil running at 3.8V which gives me 6 Watts.

(Also, make sure you aren't getting near the max amps of your battery. Things get dangerous quickly.)

Also, make *certain* to check your coils on your GFs Provari. In fact, keep it on the Provari until it is working properly.

 

[DreC]

Actually, the Provari is the girlfriends (she puts up with me, so she deserves the $500+ I have spent on her in the last week) and I have only used it to check my ohms. It is her new precious as she has only had it for 4 days, so I touch it rarely lol. I have been firing it on a Efest Protected 3000mAh 18650 that is ran down in a cheap mechanical so as to not burn the coils. Can't wait for my Ohm meter to arrive!