GG's true voltage

[Mist_Of_Joye]

Hi everyone.

I wonder if anyone did test the GG's output outcome and capabilities with different configurations of batteries.

Because putting two 3 Volts batteries in the device, for example, does not result effectively in a 6Volts output.

The reason being that the batteries do not necessarily deliver the maximum output stated, even on a standby mode, and will certainly deliver less, under load.

Another reason being the atomizer's resistance, and another reason being the device's components and connection's resistance.

So it would be interesting to have a test show us the final voltage output of the different models, with different battery configurations (when possible), and this, on 2 stages:

a- At the atomizer (on a stand by mode)
b- Under load (true effective voltage)

Any techie around?

 

[vapn]

You would need to make a test lead... Two wires connected to an atomizer and then connected to the atty connection. Put your batteries in and push the button. Read the current on the two wires going to the atty while it fires up. This will give you a true under load reading.

Now as far as resistance. I did some simple tests on a few of my devices (with dummy battery in place) and found that the GG has almost 60% less resistance that the others in my line-up. I won't mention any names but the outcome was just as I expected being all mechanical with no wires or solder.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

So now that the technical side is made clear by Vapnaway...Who is going to volunteer to make us a full comprehensive chart? Needless to say that we need someone with most of the required mods, batteries and skills.

Come guys...Someone shows up please.

 

[Lisaf01]

So now that the technical side is made clear by Vapnaway...Who is going to volunteer to make us a full comprehensive chart? Needless to say that we need someone with most of the required mods, batteries and skills.

Come guys...Someone shows up please.

I have a hard time understanding the point of all this..................If it's really this important to you, why don't you have a go doing it yourself?

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

I have a hard time understanding the point of all this..................If it's really this important to you, why don't you have a go doing it yourself?

Mostly because I'm only a future proud owner of a GG

But it's very important to measure the true voltage out of a device. Because you would know then, why and where exactly to get your sweet spot for vaping.

For example,you can use the same batteries on different devices, yet have different experience.

Why is that?

Because each device might offer different resistance, thus give different voltage outputs.

So let's say you have many GG models that take the same batteries, each in a certain configuration, and you can't buy but one, which one would you buy?

The answer is: The one that has an output voltage that touches the sweet spot that you're looking for.

Sometimes it's only due to a little tiny difference, that you can get an ordinary vape...or the perfect vape. (Noting of course, that each person has her own "perfection)

So an effective voltage chart is actually the perfect guide for those who want to know the real capabilities of the GG.

Besides...It might help Imeo later in choosing the correct voltages, when configuring his multi-voltage battery devices...But I'm only blind guessing here...

 

[Lisaf01]

You will only need 1 GG model and a selection of regular and HV atties, a selection of batteries as well as Imeo's new regulated battery device to produce any voltage that you want.
Rather than fiddling about with numbers and the science of it - you will just buy one device and the accessories and find your own sweet spot by trial and error - sounds like the most fun to me and seriously, you will only need the one GG device to do it - whether it be the trans or a future model.

 

[emonty]

and besides, all those batties do not give the same output in Voltage and/or MaH and therefore will never get an exact measurement... just my 2 cents.

I am finding the sweet spot by trial and error with my GGT and different liquid with different taste and nic levels. Testing a particular set-up gives me pleasure at a certain time, but it can change the next day around....how I feel...taste... a wonderful mystery

 

[Lisaf01]

That's very true - I didn't even take into account the differences in liquids - that sweet spot is different for every vaper and every juice too I guess.

Still, I see what the OP was saying and some people might find the info useful if anyone were to take the time to work it all out definitively.

 

[vapn]

The only problem with this scenario is that most of the previous models of the GG are not in production anymore. I think imeo is just trying to produce and sell the best model he can and please everyone at the same time. Hence the Transformer. Takes many different battery configurations and soon 4 different atomizers with one cap. Plus once the imeoatty hits the market things will be a whole different ball game. What is 6v now will be more like 7.4 soon. You will just have to explore those different options to find YOUR sweet spot. I know mine now... it is around 4.2v with the 901 atty. And like others have said that changes with the type of juice I am filling the AFS with at the time. I will actually put the AFS on different devices to see how I like the different voltage. That will change from day to day also.

So while it is good for reference to know the exact performance of each GG, the actual only comparison I would need is with MY devices I have in my desk. And that is best done by simple trial and error... Like yea That's good or yuk that is not good at all....

 

[NickJuice]

What you need to do this effectively is a AC/DC adapter at 6v's(Since batteries differ based on age/percentage of charge) and test leads and a good meter

Really you could test at any voltage its the percentage of voltage drop that matters more then the actual voltage drop....i.e. if you feed it 5v you get 4.75v(Unloaded) at the adapter then 4.23v (loaded) with atomizer/test leads attached...then that percentage of drop *Should* carry over

A batteries not going to give you consistant numbers that can be carried over from mod to mod

 

[emonty]

IMHO: this test is completely useless sorry: just Vape, try, try more and find the Bliss!!!

 

[NickJuice]

IMHO: this test is completely useless sorry: just Vape, try, try more and find the Bliss!!!

I don't really see why this test is useless...the point of these mod's are to transfer power from a battery to an atomizer...wouldn't it make sense to find out which mod does its job most effectivly? I could make a mod that looked Amazing out of Clay...but if you needed 120v's to effectively get 1v worth of power to the atomizer(Clay doesn't conduct electricity well was my point there)....whats the point?

 

[vapn]

I agree with Nick here. And I also agree to do this test effectively you you would need a power supply other than a battery because batteries can vary greatly.

I would really like to come up with a device that you could just slide on the atty connection and read things like the batteries voltage under load and mAh left in those batteries. Like a meter on a cell phone. Using the probes with the standard multimeter is kinda difficult when you don't have a hole in the center pin.

 

[Lisaf01]

I would really like to come up with a device that you could just slide on the atty connection and read things like the batteries voltage under load and mAh left in those batteries. Like a meter on a cell phone. Using the probes with the standard multimeter is kinda difficult when you don't have a hole in the center pin.

Congratulations on your offer to make this device, Vapn.

 

[vapn]

Wouldn't be that hard would it? lol...

I wouldn't know where to start...

 

[NickJuice]

Wouldn't be that hard would it? lol...

I wouldn't know where to start...

I was looking at something like this slapped in a NicoStick Box
NEW RC Lipo battery Voltage Indicator voltmeter (1S-6S) - eBay (item 270483519525 end time Nov-21-09 00:18:38 PST)

it wouldn't be that hard(Of course i'd have to buy a half dozen just cause i know i'd short out the first couple)...an atomizer connection on one end and a battery connection on the other...it'd be ugly...but it would work

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

IMHO: this test is completely useless sorry: just Vape, try, try more and find the Bliss!!!

Mods are not all the same. They differ from one to another according to those 3 essential parameters. This is what they are all about:

1- Design
2- Practicality
3- Performance

While design and practicality are obvious, Performance is not. And the only way to judge and evaluate performance, is by measuring its effective voltage output...Just like what horsepower are for cars.

So unless you don't care for the performance of a car, when you buy it, I fail to see why you should consider this test "completely useless".

Quite the opposite actually. And the competition is targeting this special side : Performance.

So this test is a must, and without a doubt, it can serve to improve performance on future models, or at least, keep them up to the actual standard, the GG being the Ferrari of mods.

If i had any model at hands and a voltmeter, i would have started it already and posted my results.

And IMHO, the test should be done with the average regular rechargeable batteries found everywhere, charged at almost 80% because this is the effective norm for an average user.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

The only problem with this scenario is that most of the previous models of the GG are not in production anymore.

This is true. This is why appealing to the users to contribute is a good idea.

And although some models are out of production, yet numbers can be useful for future reference...For science

I think imeo is just trying to produce and sell the best model he can and please everyone at the same time. Hence the Transformer. Takes many different battery configurations and soon 4 different atomizers with one cap.

You mean the telescopic? yes of course...I will consider it to be the Rolls Royce of vaping machines...till Imeo invents a new one...hehe

Plus once the imeoatty hits the market things will be a whole different ball game. What is 6v now will be more like 7.4 soon. You will just have to explore those different options to find YOUR sweet spot.

I totally agree here. Imeo will launch a new parameter here.

Then we will have to make a new chart...just for the Imeoatties.

I know mine now... it is around 4.2v with the 901 atty. And like others have said that changes with the type of juice I am filling the AFS with at the time. I will actually put the AFS on different devices to see how I like the different voltage. That will change from day to day also.

Me too...My sweet spot gravitates somewhere in between 4.3 and 5 volts. It can sometimes hit the 6V depending on the mood though.

Care to tell with which GG and battery configuration you get the 4.2 Volts?

So while it is good for reference to know the exact performance of each GG, the actual only comparison I would need is with MY devices I have in my desk. And that is best done by simple trial and error... Like yea That's good or yuk that is not good at all....

Yes sure...And the mood can have its share too...And often, what I'm drinking or eating while vaping can also influence my choice of voltage and of course the liquid i chose.

But the performance chart would be just as a reference nothing more. Like i said before, like what horsepower is for motors, it's interesting to know the real output voltage of a vaping rod.

 

[emonty]

Ok, you got me convinced on: "to know the real output voltage of a vaping rod". But then again with this information there are so many variables, it will not be a science anymore:
I can have a Ferrari stating it gives 450 HP. But then the other dependencies like: age, tuning, tires, fuel, tire pressure, driver, weather conditions to name a few will detemine how it will actually perform in "real Life". The reason why I say this test is useless is because of the many other varibles that come into play....but be my guest....let's see what the outcome is...and most of all: will it improve the Vape.......

 

[NickJuice]

Ok, you got me convinced on: "to know the real output voltage of a vaping rod". But then again with this information there are so many variables, it will not be a science anymore:
I can have a Ferrari stating it gives 450 HP. But then the other dependencies like: age, tuning, tires, fuel, tire pressure, driver, weather conditions to name a few will detemine how it will actually perform in "real Life". The reason why I say this test is useless is because of the many other varibles that come into play....but be my guest....let's see what the outcome is...and most of all: will it improve the Vape.......

What other variables do you see coming into play after this test? maybe we can eliminate them while testing...

I.e. Battery age is a huge concern...but if we test with a ac/dc converter that will give us a Steady current and a percentage of voltage loss as opposed to a actual voltage loss number i.e. 6v ac/dc converter unloaded show 5.4volts at adapter would equal a 1% loss within Battery case...there for you can conclude that at 5v's the voltage out would be 4.5v at 3.7v voltage out with be 3.33v etc.

Also we'd have to account for Atomizer Resistance when proforming the Loaded test...that would have to be a made known number and is very adaptable once the basic numbers are known but if you measuring at 3.6ohms with atomizer and Battery case...and the Atomizer tests at 3.2ohms...then it can be concluded that the battery case has a resistance of .4ohms and you can adapt that for any Atomizer

I don't really see how Age of Battery case could come into play..Most mod's are sealed so i don't really think anything would really change within over time