Good VG

[Heavyrocker]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]NOW Vegetable Glycerine is a natural by-product of the cosmetic industry. It is derived from palm oil and is 100% pure. Vegetable Glycerine is safe to use as a natural sweetener, and actually metabolizes slower than regular table sugar. [/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1] NOW vegetable glycerine is a USP and food grade, all-natural product derived from vegetable oil. Vegetable glycerine moisturizes and cleanses skin, has emollient (softening) and lubricating properties. Vegetable glycerine may also be used as a natural low-glycemic sweetener or as a base for herbal extracts. [/SIZE][/FONT]

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[JusticeKnuckles]

Good as sweetener does it say good to vape on the back??

 

[Caridwen]

Is there a question here?

VG
Glycerine should only be inhaled in pharma grade, which is often synthetic. The use of the term VG to describe the glycerine we use for inhalation is probably obsolete now, and stems from the early days of e-cigarette use when there was little use of Glycerine USP and DIYers had a choice between vegetable-source glycerine and animal-source glycerine [1]. Pharma grade glycerine for inhalation - the only type that should be used - is frequently synthetic [2] and therefore absolutely pure, so its origin is irrelevant.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/277267-purity-pg-vg-peg-short-version.html

 

[markfm]

I'm never too thrilled about firms calling product 100% pure. Even USP grade, as recommended for DIY is typically at 99.5%. The majority of the remainder is water.

From http://www.aciscience.org/docs/Glycerine_-_an_overview.pdf "...The USP designation has official legal status in the United States since the U.S. Pharmacopeia has been incorporated by reference in various statutes and regulations...USP glycerine is commonly available commercially at anhydrous glycerol content levels of 96%. 99.0% and 99.5%..."

 

[Heavyrocker]

Good as sweetener does it say good to vape on the back??

Does tobacco say its safe too smoke on the front?

 

[Caridwen]

I thought you were asking if this is acceptable to vape.

The recommendation is to use pharma grade VG/PG for vaping. This is food grade, no?

If you want to be 100% sure or a particular product, I'd post in Ask the Veterans. Kurt or one of the people with a chemistry background might know.

 

[markfm]

I'd suggest looking at post 147 here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...le-glycerin-vs-humco-glycerin-warning-15.html

markarich159 is a registered US Pharmacist, he's posted on things relative to USP multiple times.

 

[JusticeKnuckles]

Does tobacco say its safe too smoke on the front?

Haha, imagine that "smoking grade tobacco with natural additives"

 

[markfm]

No worse than the new mint flavored nicorette spray.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/386108-comes-fresh-tasting-minty-spray.html

 

[Heavyrocker]

I thought you were asking if this is acceptable to vape.

The recommendation is to use pharma grade VG/PG for vaping. This is food grade, no?

If you want to be 100% sure or a particular product, I'd post in Ask the Veterans. Kurt or one of the people with a chemistry background might know.

NOW vegetable glycerine is a USP and food grade,

 

[markfm]

Please read the post I linked to. Based on reading the post this is what I got out of it:
The NOW assertions are inconsistent with real Glycerine, USP. The 100% claim is not a technically proper one, and the labeling Is not right for something that is actually Glycerine, USP.

The info on it is consistent with health food writing, not the same thing as actual Over The Counter (OTC) USP products. Their calling it both "USP grade" and "food grade" is, by itself, a red flag.

The way it is written looks like they are trying to assert that their product is really good, but that doesn't mean that the product is actually technically Glycerine, USP. I run into that in engineering all the time, where we have to be really careful in reading spec sheets.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Please read the post I linked to. Based on reading the post this is what I got out of it:
The NOW assertions are inconsistent with real Glycerine, USP. The 100% claim is not a technically proper one, and the labeling Is not right for something that is actually Glycerine, USP.

The info on it is consistent with health food writing, not the same thing as actual Over The Counter (OTC) USP products. Their calling it both "USP grade" and "food grade" is, by itself, a red flag.

The way it is written looks like they are trying to assert that their product is really good, but that doesn't mean that the product is actually technically Glycerine, USP. I run into that in engineering all the time, where we have to be really careful in reading spec sheets.

You are right,i tried too vap a few drops and its taste way sweeter than the USP drug store type and its watered down too and costs twice as much,o well,i have some skin protection now,also mutes the taste of the juice flavour.BTW...this stuff makes for a great hair gel...WOW.

 

[markfm]

Advertising is tricky

 

[Caridwen]

You are right,i tried too vap a few drops and its taste way sweeter than the USP drug store type and its watered down too and costs twice as much,o well,i have some skin protection now,also mutes the taste of the juice flavour.BTW...this stuff makes for a great hair gel...WOW.

Might make a good sweetner too.

 

[markfm]

I run into this in the DIY area. Sometimes people will say they prefer VG "X" because "it tastes better". That's actually a bad sign to me -- if the taste is any different from Glycerine USP that means it has other things in it, not just glycerine. Heavy did exactly the right thing -- found it doesn't taste the same as the real Glycerine USP, decided to skip it for vaping.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Advertising is tricky

Cant we sue them for false advertising.? i emailed the Now company and no reply back...go figure.

 

[Heavyrocker]

I run into this in the DIY area. Sometimes people will say they prefer VG "X" because "it tastes better". That's actually a bad sign to me -- if the taste is any different from Glycerine USP that means it has other things in it, not just glycerine. Heavy did exactly the right thing -- found it doesn't taste the same as the real Glycerine USP, decided to skip it for vaping.

It taste like perfume,try a drop on your skin and lick it,its gross.

 

[markfm]

Never been tempted

Right when I started DIY I read a couple of markarich's posts, got pointed towards the Glycerin USP Skin Protectant (glycerine 99.5%, no other ingredients listed, $5 for 6 ounces) at CVS and Rite Aid. This is real Glycerine USP, so I've been happily using it almost 2-1/2 years, zero issues. Every so many months it'll come up, whether Now, or Wilton's, or Michaels, people getting things from general hobby shops or baking supply places, saying it tastes better (to them). A couple of us will point out that it should taste exactly the same, but not everyone quite gets it.

As far as complaining, probably won't get anywhere but it's fine to try. As long as the company doesn't make a medical claim, or actually assert that it is indeed Glycerine, USP, then the likes of the FDA don't care. "USP grade" is kind of like the truck company ads about "industrial grade" vehicles -- no real assertion that they have been tested to a spec, just that they believe they are comparable. Fine points of the wording.

As a side note, from markarich's writeups, there really isn't such a thing as Vegetable Glycerine USP, just Glycerin USP. Glycerin is a specific individual end chemical, and USP doesn't actually care/control how that end chemical was created, just that the end product is precisely what is claimed, and meets certain purity/contaminant standards.

 

[Rin13]

I get mine from Wizard Labs. Just ordered some from One Stop Shop DIY (since WL is out of stock of nearly everything) Get that stuff today when I get home, along w/ MORE flavorings. YAY

 

[markfm]

I get VG and PG locally because it's readily available, the Glycerine USP at local pharmacies and PG USP from a local Tractor Supply Store ($23/gallon with tax).