Got my e-cig kit... not impressed... suggestions? and question about GreenCig carts

[Jerethustra]

Got the GreenCig system from LeCig. I don't really like the e-cig experience so far. It feels more like a hookah than a cigarette. I bought a refill of High cartomizers (15mg) too. It just doesn't give me the same feeling as a cigarette. The vapor production is great and the whole system is made well. I only smoke around 10 analogs a day and usually smoke lights. I can vape and vape and feel a bit satisfied, but having a cigarette will make me feel better. Is it that I don't have enough nicotine? I'm using the highest level GreenCig carts, so I thought it would be enough.

Second question, what other cartomizers are compatible with the GreenCig G300 batteries? I'm looking particularly for something that has a higher nicotine level.

I had been rolling my own with DRUM tobacco and liked it, but I don't want to cough anymore and need to keep my lungs healthier.

 

[Beans]

My first e cig was green smoke. A product similar to what your using. It simply didn't work for me. The cig look a likes are usually junk and don't work well enough. I've switched to the eGo. The battery life is much better, as well as TH and flavor. They aren't too expensive and you could op for an eGo clone like the Riva. I would also suggest at least 1 24 mg btl of juice for the hard times. Good luck!

 

[knobbysmoo]

I agree with Beans. The more your pv looks like a cigarette, the less likely you are to be satisfied.

 

[Rosa]

It's true, you can convince your eyes that you are smoking a cigarette, but you don't smoke with your eyes. For the best results you need more power to back it up. And fwiw, 15mg is definitely NOT high -- the average vaper uses 24mg e-liquid.

Here's a funny: YouTube - 4 Stages of Vaping

 

[Annie Miller]

I agree with Beans. The more your pv looks like a cigarette, the less likely you are to be satisfied.

Agreed, but if you insist on it looking similar to a cigarette the you should probably go with a kr808 or a 510. my personal favorite is the kr808, however since I got the ego t , my kr808 sits neglected

 

[Annie Miller]

It's true, you can convince your eyes that you are smoking a cigarette, but you don't smoke with your eyes. For the best results you need more power to back it up. And fwiw, 15mg is definitely NOT high -- the average vaper uses 24mg e-liquid.

Here's a funny: YouTube - 4 Stages of Vaping

OK that was hilarious

 

[Rosa]

Agreed, but if you insist on it looking similar to a cigarette the you should probably go with a kr808 or a 510. my personal favorite is the kr808, however since I got the ego t , my kr808 sits neglected

I agree with that too, you could get a kr808d-1 in white with tan or orange cartomizers and still be happy. It's a bit longer and wider than a cig, but not by too much.

I still would recommend getting a manual battery one though. You can get one at litecigusa for $35.

 

[dormouse]

The two most supported models/threading in the marketplace are 510 and KR808D-1. You bought a weaker model with harder to fill cartos.

If you want to use cartomizers I recommend either KR808D-1 (aka Vapor4Life.com where most of the prefilled cartos are sold and probably the same as LeCig D1) or maybe use 510 (shorter battery life unless you get the long mega batteries) and use blank cartos on it if you want cartos.
Comparison (510 is probably shown with atty and cart but clank cartomizers are also available)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...st-electronic-cigarette-first-time-vaper.html

In either case, you want soft-cap cartos and add juice to them whether they are prefilled or you fill them to start - you can add whatever ejuice you want and there are dozens of vendors and lots of different tobacco ejuices. You need to find what nicotine, what PG/VG, and what flavor/aroma works for you. Keep a carto wet and you can get days or even a week out of one. With a 510 you can also use it in its default form as a 3-piece with atomizer and cart but you need to add juice more often and clean the atomizer when it gets gunky.

My usual recommendation for an analog-alike ejuice is FreedomSmokeUSA Desert Ship - to me its nutty and somewhat pungent aroma reminds me of a freshly opened pack.

And in general - you need to smell the vapor. Cigarettes bathe you in vapor and ecigs do not. You need to get a decently strong model, find juices you like, and remember to let some vapor waft out of you mouth occasionally so your nose can catch it on the inhale.

And if you want the hardest hottest hits or 6-8+ hour battery life, then skip the slim cylindrical ecigs and try Ego or Riva 510 which has strong enough batteries to use harder hitting low resistance (LR) atomizers and cartos.

And if you are smoking full strength cigs then 24mg is probably where you should try starting nicotine-wise. 15mg is more of a lights-smoker amount.

 

[VaporMadness]

Got the GreenCig system from LeCig. I don't really like the e-cig experience so far. It feels more like a hookah than a cigarette. I bought a refill of High cartomizers (15mg) too. It just doesn't give me the same feeling as a cigarette. The vapor production is great and the whole system is made well. I only smoke around 10 analogs a day and usually smoke lights. I can vape and vape and feel a bit satisfied, but having a cigarette will make me feel better. Is it that I don't have enough nicotine? I'm using the highest level GreenCig carts, so I thought it would be enough.

Second question, what other cartomizers are compatible with the GreenCig G300 batteries? I'm looking particularly for something that has a higher nicotine level.

I had been rolling my own with DRUM tobacco and liked it, but I don't want to cough anymore and need to keep my lungs healthier.

While 15mg is not really considered a 'high' amount of nicotine, for a half-pack/day smoker it's probably in the ballpark.

Part of that [in bold] is possibly due to other alkaloids that are in tobacco products, but missing from eliquid. From vaping, i get the nicotine, but not so much the 'calming' sensation that tobacco products give me. Initially, I went way up in nicotine levels but ended up ingesting too much nicotine. There's a group of people here interested in making eliquids more effective and there are others that resort to smokeless tobacco to scratch that itch so to speak...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ne-maois-towards-more-effective-e-liquid.html
Smokeless tobacco

 

[tomkatt]

Got the GreenCig system from LeCig. I don't really like the e-cig experience so far.
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I only smoke around 10 analogs a day and usually smoke lights. I can vape and vape and feel a bit satisfied, but having a cigarette will make me feel better. Is it that I don't have enough nicotine? I'm using the highest level GreenCig carts, so I thought it would be enough.
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I had been rolling my own with DRUM tobacco and liked it, but I don't want to cough anymore and need to keep my lungs healthier.

A few things, since my experience was similar to yours (I was a ~15 a day smoke, RYO with a tube injector):

Your issue may not be nicotine. My first 2 weeks or so with vaping was rough. I was using 18mg liquid, which had enough (more than enough IMO) nicotine, but something was still off, and I still craved a cig and had between 2 and 5 still a day. There are other addictive chemicals in cigarettes besides nicotine, and I'm relatively certain this is what you're missing.

I'd suggest from personal experience, to vape a standard mg like 16-18, but keep a high mg (like 36 mg) cart around for "fits." If you're feeling a cig craving that vaping can't help, hit the high mg cart a few times, like 3-5 puffs, and give it a minute. Then hit it again if needed. Inhale deeply and hold it a second or two before exhaling. It will help. Doubly so if it's a harsh flavor, as the throat kick will remind you of a cig to a degree, and contrast the generally smooth inhale of vaping juice. In my case, my 36mg cart was Pina Colada.

If you can make it through the first week or so without killing anyone, you'll probably be fine. Even now I occasionally want a cigarette, but I'm so removed from them it causes cognitive dissonance, since when I vape at work I go out to the smoke area and it just smells nasty now. Like, ew, gross nasty. That said, I still find cut tobacco to smell pleasant, just not the smell of a burning cig or trashed butts.

Play around with flavors and find one you really like. For me, it was chocolate and coffee flavors, I stuck with coffee a long time, it was a good experience, and the bitterness inherent to a coffee flavor was enough of a trick to make me feel like I might have smoked (plus I just love coffee). Now I find I'm moving away from that and prefer light fruit flavors like peach and honeydew. Particularly, my quirk seems to be that I gravitate toward beverage flavors like root beer, cola, coffee, etc. pretty often.

Lastly, I don't know much about the Greencigs, never heard of it, but you may have to try a few devices before finding one you like.

My progression was as follows: 401 unit that looked like a cigarette....hated it. --> KD808D1...,great battery, carts sucked. --> 510....great carts, battery sucked. --> 510 carts on 808 battery via adapter....getting better. This week my wife bought a 510 ego-T kit and I don't think I'll ever go back to cotton carts again. The thing is great and if it holds out over the week, I'm sold.


Good luck with vaping. Many will tell you it's not for everyone. This is true, but I believe in giving it an honest shot. As I said, if you can get through the first week or two of only getting nicotine and not the other cigarette chemicals, you'll likely adjust and get more comfortable with it. It's kind of like with nicotine gum or the patch. You know something's missing even though you're getting a ton of nicotine. If you need to, just vape way more than you would normally smoke until you feel relaxed. My first week I vaped until my head buzzed to cope, and then slowed down over the following weeks. Now I probably vape about as much as I used to smoke, maybe a bit more or less depending on the stress of the day, but that's how I smoked anyway.

You will find that vaping will never be "like" smoking, even though many try to emulate the experience. However, you'll get your nicotine and that's the drug (physical) dependancy. Dealing with the mental dependancy (habits, not smoking, etc.) is up to you. I made a point to throw out my crank injector, tubes, tobacco, everything when I dedicated myself to vaping and quitting smoking cigs for good. If you can accept that and roll with it, it will probably work out for you.

Best of luck, and I'll end here, since this is getting a bit long.

 

[tomkatt]

OP, some more things that help:

I drink Kava. It's a Hawaiian root that blends with pretty much any drink, from juice, to tea, and even coffee. A small bit of this stuff can have great calming/relaxing effects, and in larger doses can have similar effects to alcohol. This helps immensely with stress and helps me to emulate the calming effects I previously got from cigs (heck, I drank it even when I still smoked). My wife introduced me to the stuff (and to vaping as well). I'd highly recommend trying it out. I tend to drink a glass every other night or so with maybe a half or quarter teaspoon of the stuff in a sort of "glob" form now and just stir it in. Previously we'd strain the root powder, you may wanna research the easiest method for you if you want to try it.


Also, get refillable carts (either cartomizers, or an atomizer and drip tip or something). Pre-filled carts kind of suck IMO, and don't last long. Filling your own carts extends the life and lowers the cost. My wife and I are that the point where she's even mixing our juices and PG/VG blends herself, and it not only saves cost, but lets us decide just how much flavor a given juice has (and we have several natural flavorings from various vendors). Mixing your own juice at this point would be....advanced, so to speak, but there are plenty of sites that sell juice in the pre-mixed, XX-mg (your choice of nicotine content) variety. I like Vaporbomb, but they use artificial flavors, so your mileage may vary (my wife prefers natural flavors for e-juice, I don't seem to have a preference so long as it's "good" ...which is subjective, heh). Backwoods brew is also pretty good.

In terms of e-juice, I find that high or all PG is thinner, has more throat hit, and burns off faster, but doesn't produce a lot of vapor. High or all VG juices have a ton of vapor, but need more flavoring and can kill carts and atomizers, since VG tends to be thicker than PG. We usually do either a 50/50 blend of PG and VG, or 70/30 with more VG than PG. I'm not a fan of all PG mixes, they are harsh on the throat, IMO, and I prefer vapor production over the much-sought "throat hit."

Hope some of this info helps.


EDIT - One last thing: when using an atomizer (or cartomizer) with primer fluid on it, a lot of people will clean with vodka, or boil, etc. We've done this before, and it works to a degree, but tends to kill carts and atties, IMO. A solution my wife discovered was to clean it by blowing it out, wiping, etc., but instead of "dry burning" once done, put a little VG on it to burn off. This will get rid of the primer, but won't "dry burn" the atty, shortening the lifespan (and sometimes ruining an atty or cart. Cotton carts especially are ruined if used when dry, but aren't primed either). Nothing wrong with the boiling or vodka rinse (vodka rinse is good, IMO), but dry burning kills these things.

 

[VaporMadness]

Excellent posts tomkatt!

 

[Love Lived]

It's true, you can convince your eyes that you are smoking a cigarette, but you don't smoke with your eyes. For the best results you need more power to back it up. And fwiw, 15mg is definitely NOT high -- the average vaper uses 24mg e-liquid.

Here's a funny: YouTube - 4 Stages of Vaping

Yup. That how it went for me. Funny video.

 

[Jerethustra]

As a follow-up, I decided to up the nicotine level. I bought an eGo-T from cignot and 5 different juices. 25mg works so much better in making me feel more comfortable. I'm not worrying about price or if I smoke analogs, but I've only had 1 or 2 cigarettes today. The ones I've had have been kind of disgusting. So, cheers! I've been able to direct drip and refill some of those GreenCig cartomizers. They work okay and look classier than the eGo-T, but the eGo-T has much better vapor production and the batteries last a long time. Also, cignot rocks. One of my batteries wasn't charging and they shipped me a replacement the same day.

 

[analog]

I was a roller too, a drum of drum or bali shag (bugler when poor) every 2-3 weeks or so for damn near ever. Now I have no problems whatsoever vaping my bloog maxx fusion exclusively for a couple days. After that I feel the need to scratch an itch I can't define, same as it always was with patches and lozenges. A couple analogs, or some snus gets me reset and I don't even think of analogs for a few more days. I tend to vape 24 mg in the AM, and after meals or non-vaping periods, 16-20 the rest of the time.

I've also read from many that analog size devices certainly wouldn't cut it, especially for real smokers. So I took their advice and sought out a much larger and heavier unit, it works great:

Seriously though, the bloog battery and cartos are fantastic. I have the smart pcc and another battery from nhaler that is pretty close to as good, but the cartos that came with the nhaler pcc aren't up to the bloogs. The bloogs things crank out more vapor than an analog did smoke, the battery hits instantly with no primer puff, the pcc makes battery time irrelevant, and once I got used to the powderiness of most pg juices I was good to go.

Coming from non-filtered rollies, the diameter was a bit to get used to, but that didn't take too long. I'm currently working on a total alkaloid extraction to make my own juice to get those missing alkaloids and see if that solves the need for tobacco every few days. In the meantime, good for you! I too find analogs taste pretty foul now. Maybe we are missing some other alkaloids, and maybe we just need to chill and give ourselves time to adjust. If you decide you want to try another gear solution, look into the kr808-d1 models, especially the bloogs, although nhaler does have a competing price on the same model mini-pcc.

I saw someone say recently that it's better to count the cigarettes we aren't smoking than to worry over the ones we do smoke. Sounds like you've missed quite a few!

 

[bLuNtz]

+1 for the Ego, tried using those for the first time and it really doesn't work well

 

[YetiHunter]

Think of nicotine like caffeine or Adderall. Think of the other components in tobacco as monoamine oxidase inhibitors.
If you picked up a pack of lucky strikes after using drum for a while, you'd get opiates after chain smoking too.
Not sure the regulations in Chile, but in the USA, think of the additive components as crack ......., snorting pixie
sticks and good ol' american trailer park huffing.

If you don't know what these things are, look 'em up. It will help you along your path.

I had to combine the e-cigs with snus (tobacco) for a month or two, and it was still a messy ordeal. Now I refrain
from touching the SNUS. Smokers have, on average, 30% less MAO's than an average smoker. It will take a few months to shed the new found anxiety.

Another thing to keep in mind: 1 puff on a pv gives you about 1/10th of the nicotine as an average cigarette, I do believe. Long slow drags.