Having trouble making a decision on my first PV

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digitalmasterc

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Hello! Nice to meet yall. I am a 10 year smoker and ready to make a switch to an e-cig. I've scoured these forums over the last week learning all I can about vaping as well as trying some disposable choices at 711. I'm starting to get a little discouraged by the limitless amount of options. I'm afraid to drop 100 dollars on something that was not what I expected.

I almost bought a Volt but my confidence didn't last and I pulled out at the last second. Same thing happened with an Ego Mini. Its about time I make a choice and I'd like your help in doing so. I found this questionnaire and I think its the best way to start.


1. How many cigarettes did you smoke or are currently smoking per day? A number is very helpful since my idea of a heavy or casual smoker could be very different from yours.
1 to 1 and a half - 20 to 25 cigarettes a day

2. Did you smoke ultra lights,lights, full flavor, filter-less, roll-your-own or cigars? I mostly smoke lights but greatly enjoy the full flavor of a Marlb Red but not the harsh cough that lingers after a pack or two.

3. How important is it for your electronic cigarette (also called a mod, PV or APV) to look like and feel like a cigarette to you? Less important then it used to. I prefer it to be compact. I want to say I want automatic batteries, but this is by no means a deal breaker. I understand and appreciate the benefits of a manual and dont feel pressing a button would be something I'd have trouble getting over.

3. Do you like things big, bulky and durable or do you prefer small and compact?Smooth and Pocket sized is what I'm looking for. say no longer then 6 or 7 inches. Stealth vaping at work is key!

4. Which shape is more pleasing to you to hold: something cylindrical or a box shape? Cylindrical

5.How long would you like or need the batteries to last in a typical day.For some this an 8 hour shift or could be 16 or more hours depending on your lifestyle. 8 Hours shifts at work. I'm willing to purchase additional batteries to keep the size more compact. I would vape more heavily at home and am considering a long duration (bigger) battery or a passthrough for my off hours.

6. How much effort do you want to put into vaping? Do you want something that requires little effort or are you more of a tinkerer? Generally extremely active lifestyles or someone who's constantly on the go doesn't have a lot of time but the reverse could be true for you as well. I don't want to be discouraged by the whole process so useability is important but it certainly comes second to cost effectiveness and quality

7.Do you think you would prefer tobacco, menthol, fruit and candy or dessert flavors? Oh man, All of them I think. This is the part of vaping that most interests me. Tobacco, Coffee Flavors, Creamy Flavors and Menthol are my ideal choices.

8.Do you think you would like a warmer or a cooler vape? (A warm vape uses higher voltage or lower resistances to make the vapor warmer in your mouth while a cool vape works just the opposite) Also let us know if you have sensitivities to cold or an aversion to hot liquids. Warmer

9. What is more important to you, throat hit (that feeling of weight or tickle hitting the back of your throat when you inhale) , vapor production (the amount of vapor or steam produced by your device and/or e-liquid) or flavor(The intensity of the taste of the vapor)? Again its okay to have more than one answer but please list them in order of importance. Definitely throat hit followed by vapor although some moderate balance of the three would be preferential

10.Which is more important to you, price,quality, ease of use, or reliability? Its okay to have more than one answer just list them in order of importance. Quality > Reliability > Price = Usability

11.How much are you looking to spend on your initial purchase or upgrade? 150 is the ceiling but it would be great to keep it around 100

12. Have you looked at any other accessories such as clearomizers, cartomizers, tanks, pre-filled cartidges etc and do you have any questions about how they work or what they are? This is a BIG hiccup for me. I'd imagine pre-filled cartridges are not cost-efficient, I don't truly understand the difference between a cartomizer and a clearomizer other then the both are some combination of a cartridge and atomizer. Tanks are a e-liquid encasing that are separate of the atomizer, correct? Really I dont know which is favored and for what reasons.

13. Would you feel more comfortable vaping (popular term used to refer to inhaling vapor from an electronic cigarette, mod, PV or APV) in public or do you prefer to do it in private? I dont think I'm going to be completely comfortable with it at first but that is something I'm willing to get over considering the detrimental affects of continued smoking.

14. Whats your favorite color?
Blue
15. Do you have any disabilities or other difficulties that might have a bearing on your choice? ex: some peoples wrists aren't strong enough to hold a big battery mod or their eyesight doesnt allow easy filling of ejuice (the liquid containing nicotine and flavoring used in electronic cigarettes, also referred to as nicquid or e-liquid) None that come to mind

16. Have you thought about securing backup devices in the event of failure or purchasing extra batteries? Yes

17. Do you think you would prefer a battery that starts at 3.7 volts and gradually drops in voltage and vapor production as it drains or would you prefer the voltage to stay the same throughout the life of the battery? A stable voltage seems to be the better option here.

I'm sorry for the excessively long post. I really want to get this right. I've been staring at check-out screens for too long. I need to make a decision. The two things that are keeping me from making purchase are size vs. battery and the intake system.

I've considered the VOLT and an Ego-Mini. I favor a more compact model. I cant wear a PV around my neck with a lanyard at work so it has to fit in my pocket. I know smaller size = shorter battery but I see no other way around it. If its too big I wont be able to use it when its most needed. I liked the size of my friends "odyssey" but got turned off when he mentioned it leaks in his mouth. That does not sound pleasant!

When it comes to a cartonimizer vs tanks vs clearomizer I'm clueless. I would love to know the pros and cons of these types. I wouldn't be against a drip tip either if I knew how often I would be expected to reapply the liquid. Once or twice at work would be fine, too much above that and it could become a problem. I think this decisions is the one most holding me back.Lastly it would be great to make a purchase off a single site at least for the first time. I dont want to get two parts that dont connect together.
Thank you all so much for your help. If you have any question for me please dont hesitate. I'm ready to make a decision. I think I just need an outside "push" to do so!

Thanks,
Chris
 

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Considering the answers in your questionaire, it seems something that is pocketable for stealth vaping at work and will last several hours are what I read as being primary desires. You also indicated that the device need not look like or be the size of a cigarette.

For $50, you can get a Smoktech variable voltage Gripper. http://www.madvapes.com/variable-volt-gripper.html

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It is small, pocketable, lightweight, fits inside a hand for stealth vaping. It has a rubberized plastic case and clear LED display. It has a built in meter that checks battery voltage and atomizer ohms. It uses an 18650 battery that will last 20 hours between charges. These batteries are $10 http://www.rtdvapor.com/AW-IMR-18650-2000-mAh-AW-IMR-18650-20.htm, and require a special charger for $20 http://www.rtdvapor.com/Xtar-WP2-II-Xtar-WP2-II.htm. I would suggest a backup battery, and a backup mod, too.

You might not have desired variable voltage initially, but with experience with different flavors you will find that some flavors are greatly enhanced by lower or higher voltages rather than the fixed voltage devices of 3.7v. For instance, my fruit flavors taste best below 3.7v. My coffee flavors are best between 4.0v and 4.8v. I have a new cinnamon flavor that is best between 5.0v and 6.0v.

Variable voltage can also provide a warmer vapor, stronger throat hit, and more vapor than a fixed voltage device.

I just bought one of these to use for my out-and-about vaping and my own at work stealth-vaping. I use a regular size Provari that is now reserved mainly for home use. Very pleased with the Gripper. I use an IBTanked pyrex cartotank on mine. http://www.ibtanked.com/


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To lessen confusion with the juice delivery devices that are most commonly available, I made the following picture dictionary on this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartomizers/343294-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-lol.html
 
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The Volt or the Joye 510, or eGo Mini would be a good starter. I'd get a manual instead of the auto, as the manual has a sealed battery connector, and the liquid won't leak into the battery. Most kits come with two batteries, but I'd get a couple of spares, as well as a spare charger. The 510 and eGo Mini have more accessories with regard to atomizers, cartomizers, tanks, clearomizers, etc. However, neither can run a low resistance atty, carto, etc, the same way a big battery can. The low resistance stuff generally provides more throat hit and a warmer vape. PG also provides more TH and flavor, while VG gives more vapor. That's why most vapers use a combination of the two. I use 80/20 and 70/30 PG/VG ratios. I prefer cartomizers, but I use a mod with big cartos, and the big cartos, such as the EMDCC, are much easier to fill than the standard size cartos. Look around the Christmas sales forum, toward the bottom of the main page. You might find a deal.
 

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Based on your budget, I reccommend an ego twist kit (59.99) at mountain oak vapor. a vivi nova tank (15.00), and 2 vivi nova tank mini's that are 7.99 each right now at free-cigs.com. That will leave you plenty of change to buy eliquid to fill them with. There are MANY vendors out there that sell inexpensive sample juice packs so you can decide what your favorite flavors are. I have no doubt that if you owned the above, you would be able to vape from morning till night. I know because I vape morning till night with the above combination of supplies. The above products also have a great reputation. Hope I helped
 

digitalmasterc

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Firstly, thanks for the link Baditude. I have a better grasp of the intake systems. Each one listed was a dual cartridge and atomizer system. To what advantage would you use a separate atomizer over atomizer/cartridge combos?

Based on your budget, I recommend an ego twist kit (59.99) at mountain oak vapor. a vivi nova tank (15.00), and 2 vivi nova tank mini's that are 7.99 each right now at free-cigs.com.

Ive used a twist before and I was pleased with it. If I have this correct All I have to do is thread a full Vivi Nova tank onto the twist battery and I'm set? The atomizer is part of the Mini Nova tank system? If so this seems the most beneficial route to take as far as an intake system. This is a 510 model?
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A couple more questions...

I want to get familiar with the compatibility of PVs. Are all ego batteries 510s? Could i equip an ego mini or a pass-through to this just as easily?

Is the Volt a 510 or a 901. Without directly purchasing one is there a way to find one parts compatibility to others?

Bruiser mentioned the different juice types. What are the fundamental differences. Is one "healthier" then the other or are the differences purely flavor based?
 

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Firstly, thanks for the link Baditude. I have a better grasp of the intake systems. Each one listed was a dual cartridge and atomizer system. To what advantage would you use a separate atomizer over atomizer/cartridge combos?
I'm not sure I am following you here. "Each one listed was a dual cartridge and atomizer system" ? Not sure where you are getting that.

Now, there are "dripping" atomizers where you drip a few drops into the attachment and vape it. Repeat. Vape. Although many love this format for great flavor, it can be time consuming and messy for some people. But that item was not in the group of delivery devices in my article. The other delivery devices are able to hold a certain amount of liquid for continuous vaping without needing to add more liquid after every 6-7 puffs.

A couple more questions...

Is the Volt a 510 or a 901.
The Smokeless Image Volt is an 808 threaded line of gear.

Bruiser mentioned the different juice types. What are the fundamental differences. Is one "healthier" then the other or are the differences purely flavor based?

Most e-juice is made up of a pg/vg ratio, the most common being 50/50. Pg is most known to be a flavor carrier and also compliments the throat hit to a lesser degree. Some people are negatively sensitive to pg. Vg is most known for vapor production and possibly adding a little sweetness to the mix.

There are companies that offer organic flavoring and 100%vg in their juice lineups. Organic generally meaning no artifical flavoring used, and flavors that are extracted from real life substances. My favorite flavors happen to be organic juices - I feel they taste more real to life without a chemical or artifical taste. I can recommend a couple of vendors who offer these types of juices and also offer sampler packs:

Vaperite | Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Supplies

Organically Flavored E-liquid | Virgin Vapor | Electronic Cigarette Organic e-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes
 

digitalmasterc

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Sorry my logic of the different systems is very basic. My simplest understanding of a PV is a three part system. battery - atomizer - cartridge (The part that holds or contains the e-liquid).

Clearomizers, cartomizers and the Vivi Nova tanks are a combination of what I have dubbed a "cartridge" and the atomizer. This would be a two parts system. Battery - cartomizer or clearomizer.

I was interested in understanding the advantages of having the atomizer as an independent unit. which would be a battery - atomizer - drip-tip. This setup doesn't have "cartridge" because the e-liquid is dropped directly on the atomizer. I think I may want to try down the line.

Sorry to confuse you:blush: I was making sense of the different systems in my head. I'm pretty sure were on the same page even if my wording is more then a little distorted :laugh:
 

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Hi Chris,
Just looking at your answer. I see you'd rather go with a stable voltage. Here are a couple of options. Firstly, the numbers like 510 and 808 refer to the type of threading on the batteries and their compatible attachments.

You mentioned the Volt. Volts are 808 threaded. Those are regulated at 3.7 volts. The 78mm Volts are 320mah. 100mah = about 1 hour of vaping. So a 320mah Volt would give around 2.5 -3 hours vaping time.
You could also look at getting a Volt X2 - an ego sized battery also 808 threaded, also sold by Smokless Image. They have lanyards.
I think one option would be an X2 and a couple of Volts. The Volts are good quality and good for certain places and situations where you want a more discreet cig size pv. The X2 lasts longer before needing a charge and can be good at home or out and about on a lanyard. I'll put apic below showing the size comparisons.

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The three on the right are X2s - 650mah (about 6 hrs vape time), 900mah (about 8-9 hours vape time) and 1300mah (12-13 hours vape time).

The second option I think is an Ego. You could buy an Ego mini and a regular size Ego. Ego minis are about 400mah I believe - so about 3.5 - 4 hours vape time. Regular Egos come in different sizes, such as 650mah (about 6 hours vape time) or 1100 mah (about 10-11 hours vape time). Egos are regulated at 3.3 -3.4 volts. There are Ego lanyards.

I'd suggest either a)two Volts and a 650 or 900mah X2, or b) a 650mah Ego and an Ego mini. Both options will have blue ones. :) Whatever you get you will need at least two batteries, because you always need a back up battery while the other is charging.
 
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Is the Volt a 510 or a 901. Without directly purchasing one is there a way to find one parts compatibility to others?


Volts are 808, which is compatible with 901. If you use Volts you would need an 808-510 adapter to use something like vivi nova. I've done it and it works fine.
Or just get a 510 pv to use vivi novas.
 
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I'm just popping in to put my two cents in about something I saw in the OP's questionnaire. I was totally weird about vaping in public at first. It's honestly something you will get used to. I started off with a standard ego (I started vaping before egos had other letters after their name and stuff.) and it worked fine. I was pretty weird about using even that in public, but I found that the more I did it, the less I cared. Honestly, I only get people even asking about it at work. And it's usually smokers who show thinly veiled contempt for the entire e-cig thing. In the end though, it is going to be a great change, and the non smokers think it's super cool. Now I use a Maxi Vapestack at work. It looks like I am smoking some kind of pipe bomb. I keep waiting for security to tackle me lol

It's hard at first to figure out what you will like best and all that good stuff. I am a dedicated dripper myself, but can see the advantages of the other methods. Honestly, the only way for you to start learning and figuring out what is best for you is to dive in. A bunch of us can tell you our opinions, but they are just that, our opinions. You wont know what you like until you try it. When I started I thought I would fill my own cartridges, and that is just a gigantic pain and I hate it, so there you have it. The only advice I have is getting something decent quality and just go for it. You can't really go that wrong unless you buy one of the pieces of crap from like 7-11 or something.

Oh yeah, and don't bother with auto batteries. They are a pain, kind of dangerous, and you will get used to pushing the button a lot faster than you think.
 

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Awesome questions! I wish I would have found this questionnaire 7 weeks ago when I dumped analogs & made the switch! Being a relative noob myself, I can only tell you what I've come up with so far & see if I can save you a step or 2 maybe. Fwiw, my analog habit was about the same as yours...I started with a 510 kit using cartos (revolver g2) worked fine for about a month but I got tired of switching batteries every 4-6hrs.(even with a PCC it gets to be a pain) I had some prefilled & filled some myself, but same as the batteries, it gets to be a hassle. plus side of 510s is that size wise theyre damn close to an analog & make it an easy transition in that aspect. Mentally it worked better for me i believe than jumping into something the size of a flashlight. However I started wanting something with a bit more "oomph" so I picked up an ego kit (revolver talon)with tanks & attys. Started with the regular size tank & atty(A type ?), but within a week moved upto the xl size(B type?) I love it so far. Batts last all day, tanks last all day, no leaks, kind of a sleek yet burly look. When using the 650 mah batt, it's about the size of a sharpie, easy to fit in a jeans pocket without looking like you're smuggling a banana. Not quite stealth vapable, but close...if you pick up an aftermarket 350 or 400 Mah batt, you'd be golden for stealth. From my perspective, this is where I wish I would have started, but I don't mind going the long waY to get things done. I know I'm going to upgrade soon because I'm a gadget guy & this is becoming a Damn addictive hobby, but starting with an ego kit gives you lots of options & good amount of power to start with. Sorry if I rambled but I hope it helps. For the record, I am not a revolver fanboy, I am open to any suggestions, however revolver has a store in my town which has been an incredible in helping me making the switch. Good luck!
 

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Batitude gives some pretty good advice. The gripper unit has a lot of functionality for the price. Some criticism of the gripper is the build quality. It's plastic, and won't take a beating. So if you get a gripper, don't beat it up.

I might recommend getting something with 510 threading. There are lots of options for this threading. Even the eGo has 510 threading, in addition to its proprietary threading.

I started with an EGo system and loved it for 2 weeks. Then I found some clearomizers that put out way more vapor, (CE5 2.4mls). I used these until I got a locking DCT with 1.5 ohm cartos. These give the best vape I've found for eGo batteries.

Staying low budget, if I had it to do over, I'd skip the regular eGo batteries and get eGo twist batteries. 2 small ones and 2 large ones. The Twist batteries have a way to adjust the voltage a little bit, so you can tune the vape to your liking. I can use the same 1000mah battery nearly all day.

If I had it to do over, I'd also skip clearomizers and go right to the locking DCT tank. Man, what a vape!

I recently bought a more expensive unit (provari) , and am working through which cartos work better with higher voltages. But honestly, the vape quality with the EGo Twist and the DCT with low resistance (1.5ohm) cartos hits so nice with my Goodejuice menthol Tobacco juice, I'm going to have to work hard to replace that feeling.

The tank systems with replaceable cartos not only work very well, they are cost effective, since only the carto needs replacing. They are 2-4 bucks each, depending on what you get and where you buy them. The tank itself can be easily cleaned when you switch juices.

Good luck, there are so many options out there, it can be overwhelming. Try to give yourself the ability to buy something and change your mind later. Only so much information can be gathered before you need to try it out for yourself.

Typed on my mobile. Please excuse typos.
 

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My “official” E-cig purchase is delayed until Christmas. For now, I bought a cheapy Metro kit to wet my feet. It’s going okay. I’m not completely happy with the Metro but I’m still using it and today marks the first day I went without a cigarette in years. I can’t say I don’t miss them though. Despite its inadequacies, I’m glad I got my Metro. It lends a bit of knowledge to what I want in an E cig.

Two batteries (unlisted mAh – don’t expect it’s a powerhouse) get me through work. That said, performance drops at 65 to 70% battery. The vapor cools and flavor fades. I find myself staring at my USB waiting for the indicator to turn green signifying a fresh charge. This is a fundamental issue I would like to curtail on my next purchase.



  • I put my money on a pair of 650 ego twists for stealth and mobility. Should I expect the same drop with the 650 ego as my metro? If so, I may reconsider something with a little umph.
  • A variable volt battery would minimize power shortages, yes?
  • Does battery power have an affect on overall performance? Would this plunge be less evident in a stronger battery?
  • While we’re at it, are there any advantages to a larger battery other then increased run-time?
  • A pass-through is looking more and more desirable OR one of those VV spinners @ 1300mAh! The spinners, in my opinion, outclass the pass-through being that it’s VV and the long duration makes the need for direct power less necessary. Which of the two would you prefer?

I know you can’t puff an e cig like you do an analog. Hell, I even watched a tutorial on just that:blink: My metro is ridiculous though! I’m constantly fighting to get a decent pull and it has a major advantage. After a few short seconds it powers down and the fight is over.:cry: My disposable Njoys trumped the metro in this class considerably so it could be this particular product that's lacking.

  • LR atomizers are a remedy for this, yes?
  • Since I lack confidence on the procedures of cartos. I had my eye on the Vivi Nova tanks for their "plug-n-play" simplicity. What should I expect from these in the way of natural resistance? Do they offer a rich full-bodied hit?

Finally, I want s separate atomizer for dripping. I like what I hear about this method.
  • I'd like your advice on particular types of atomizer, preferences, qualities as well as safe choices for dripping.

I hope my expectations aren’t too high. I’m very very new to this, but from the talk around here most of you enjoy vaping a whole lot more then you enjoyed smoking. I haven’t reached that milestone yet but I’m confident I will,

Thanks for your help in my research. I apologize for the storm of questions. Lighting a cigarette for the first time is my one true regret. I’ve tried a myriad of times to beat this stupid addiction and had all but given up. This is multiplied a thousand fold due to personal medical factors that are compromised by my choice to continue. I’m ecstatic there are new options available. This forum is like a support group! I enjoy reading all the success stories and techy talk. You all have created a positive network here and I’m glad to be apart of it. :blush:

Again, sorry for the length,
Chris
 
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digitalmasterc

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Interesting discovery! I held onto a couple "disposable", metro vapes I sampled before purchasing my metro rechargeable kit. I had a feeling the batteries would be able to recharge even if they were branded as one time use, disposables. I was correct! Not only are they rechargeable but the "disposable" battery are of higher quality (least in taste and mist production) then the 2 batteries that came in my official rechargeable kit. Now instead of having to spend 20 dollars for a new battery I can purchase a disposable type with the better battery for Half the price!
 

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'...today marks the first day I went without a cigarette in years. I can’t say I don’t miss them though.'

Hang in there. I've just quit analogs with a couple of eGos and I'll tell you what helps when I get that 'I need a cigarette urge' Vape a higher nicotine level for a bit. It doesn't take me but a couple of inhales and I am back to being a happy camper. Once I find something I like more than this cinnamon I will be happy :p I can't taste hardly anything now, a hint of juicy fruit, a hint of caramel, a hint of coffee or chocolate and then they're gone. Food has a more pronounced taste though - oddly enough!
 
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