Well I downloaded that same version of eSCribe I already had but this time SP3 was available to update the Therion. Don't know what that glitch was all about, but all good.
Hcigar vt133 or therion dna133 Which to get?
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So if you could own only one, would you pick the Therion or the Effusion Duo, and why?
I prefer Lipo batteries personally, but how a mod feels in hand is really important to me too. I can't seem to make up my mind between these two but I also can't justify getting both with what I already have and how little I'm vaping
Nah, it's real. I lost interest in all other chips after getting my first DNA200. Ime it is a lot better than the DNA75 as well, but it's possible I just got a bad SMY SDNA, idk.
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So if you could own only one, would you pick the Therion or the Effusion Duo, and why?
Now that's unfair. They really do fell different in the hand. The curve on the battery door with the Therion feels better in the hand. The Duo is very boxlike. However, from a practical perspective, the Duo is more flexible with either a Lipo or 2 battery sled, and the aluminum frame will probably stand up better over time, even if it is a fingerprint magnet. From a practical perspective I'd pick the Duo, but you'll have a real hard time prying the Therion out of my hand.
I happen to be pretty good at prying, you're lucky there's an ocean between us
I'm afraid that only reinforces my indecisiveness, but thanks nevertheless
*sigh* I think I'm just gonna have to sell all my current mods and get both after all, lol
So, no love for the Think Vape BOX133? It's just a box, but I think it looks pretty clean and is made of aluminum. The stickers are kind of ugly, but they don't show up to much on the sliver model.
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It's a nice box, a little big but I'd prefer it over the VT133 personally. It's all a matter of taste I guess. And perhaps budget.
I happen to be pretty good at prying, you're lucky there's an ocean between us
I'm afraid that only reinforces my indecisiveness, but thanks nevertheless
*sigh* I think I'm just gonna have to sell all my current mods and get both after all, lol
Another way I look at it is if I didn't have a DNA 200 already, the Duo would be my first choice for the versatility of configuration. But already having a Triade on the 200 side (got it before the Duo), and a VT75 to cover me on the "smaller out and about" DNA mod side (also got it on a great sale), the Therion 133 made sense for me.
But I have to say, the feel of the Therion in hand is terrific, and I haven't put it down yet (OK, yes I did for a little while and used the Triade, but quickly went back).
You know what, I think I figured it out: I want a Therion 200 (133with a Lipo)!
I don't think it'd be too hard to scoop one of the spares for my VT200 in there.
I got a SMY SDNA75 for out and about myself but I never warmed up to it. & the VT200 slides in the pocket just as easily as it turns out. The SMY is my only 18650 mod & I'm hoping to sell it and the batteries and be done with those, I never really liked them. I only vape like 0,5ml a day these days so even the 1000mAh Lipo in the VT200 lasts me all week easily.
You know what, I think I figured it out: I want a Therion 200 (133with a Lipo)!
I don't think it'd be too hard to scoop one of the spares for my VT200 in there.
I got a SMY SDNA75 for out and about myself but I never warmed up to it. & the VT200 slides in the pocket just as easily as it turns out. The SMY is my only 18650 mod & I'm hoping to sell it and the batteries and be done with those, I never really liked them. I only vape like 0,5ml a day these days so even the 1000mAh Lipo in the VT200 lasts me all week easily.
Might as well hold out for a Therion 250 then.
I like my VT75. I have a 26650 battery in it so I get good battery life, it's got a very solid slightly textured finish on it, and I don't worry about it rattling around in the cup holder. I also got it for only $50 on an ecig city sale.
I vape about 7 ml a day at 30W 450F, so my battery life is forever as well. Especially on the Triade with 3 18650s. Batteries last forever. Even the dual 18650s in the Therion seem to be holding up well. Two days of use, and I still have ~%50 charge left. Not bad as it's been my #1 mod the last few days (although not exclusive, so that battery life is not a true solo ADV).
Riddle me this. While I was able to get a warmer vape using spaced 316l coils, hand wound, I was still not satisfied with the warmth of the vape. Put the vt133 through the analyzer and discovered the thing petered out at 15 watts before hitting 480 degrees. Huh? Installed a pre built Clapton. .5 ss316 and the vape is suddenly nice and warm at only 425 degrees. And the wattage goes up to 50! Is everyone using claptons? There is something wrong here with solid coil 316l and temperature sensing.
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-Listens intently- I'd like to know this too. I'm at 480F and while I think the vape is good, it's not as warm as I'd think it should be. It's higher than I'd need on my Pico for the same warmth, although the vape is smoother than the Pico. I know some people use SS430 because of the higher TCR.
I've read the Evolve forums inside out on everything dealing with 316l temp issues among many people. I haven't seen a discussion of Clapton v solid core and temp issues. Claptons take longer to heat up and they seem to retain heat longer. While solid core gathers and dissipates heat relatively more quickly. This is consistent with what I'm seeing in the escribe analyzer. Unfortunately I didn't save the charts.
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I'm getting about the same results and I even sent my first Lavabox back, thinking maybe there was something wrong with it. While it doesn't seem to be universal, I have read quite a few posts where people are running SS at 480-500F. I'm not sure if all the variables are the same, but it does make you think. I'm pretty happy with it at 480F, but it does seem high for the warmth I'm getting. I'm doing a SS316L, spaced, 6 warp, 3mm single coil on my Serpent Mini. It's been holding at 0.46 ohm quite well.
My thinking on this subject is it 's probably a combination of things.
1. With SS being an Alloy, I think just the slightest variation in recipe can affect the TCR. I think that's why you see people say use a TCR from .00092 - .00105 (The actual TCR is .00092).
2. Not all RTA's/RDA's are created equal when it comes to TC. With such a low TCR even having the resistance vary slightly can affect TC.
Personally I mainly use Unkamen SS430 with a TCR of .00138 mainly. I've also tried Crazy Wire SS430 and it's TCR is quite a bit different lending credence to my thought that the TCR of SS can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. When I use Claptons it's Lightning Vapes SS316L. My temperature setting is normally 420F. I also normally use an Aromamizer Supreme 7ml RTA.
After awhile you know what 420F (or whatever your preferred temperature is) should feel like. If I'm trying a different brand and it seems off, I either adjust my temperature or TCR. I seem to get this question via PM quite a few times on a couple of different forums. This is the only sense I can make of it.
Cheers,
Steve
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1. Increasing the TCR will make the vape warmer at the same temperature.
2. I believe you see a lot less of this discussion with Ni200 and Ti01 because they aren't alloys so in theory the TCR should be the same no matter where you buy it.
1. With SS being an Alloy, I think just the slightest variation in recipe can affect the TCR. I think that's why you see people say use a TCR from .00092 - .00105 (The actual TCR is .00092).
2. Not all RTA's/RDA's are created equal when it comes to TC. With such a low TCR even having the resistance vary slightly can affect TC.
Personally I mainly use Unkamen SS430 with a TCR of .00138 mainly. I've also tried Crazy Wire SS430 and it's TCR is quite a bit different lending credence to my thought that the TCR of SS can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. When I use Claptons it's Lightning Vapes SS316L. My temperature setting is normally 420F. I also normally use an Aromamizer Supreme 7ml RTA.
After awhile you know what 420F (or whatever your preferred temperature is) should feel like. If I'm trying a different brand and it seems off, I either adjust my temperature or TCR. I seem to get this question via PM quite a few times on a couple of different forums. This is the only sense I can make of it.
Cheers,
Steve
Edit:
1. Increasing the TCR will make the vape warmer at the same temperature.
2. I believe you see a lot less of this discussion with Ni200 and Ti01 because they aren't alloys so in theory the TCR should be the same no matter where you buy it.
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I've experimented with 4 RTAs and have not noticed much of a difference with solid core SS 316l. Dual coil and single and messing around with different power settings. I've used the stock 316l profile in Escribe and imported from Steam Engine. Maybe I need to try a few publicly posted but so far I haven't seen a noticeable difference. I've noticed mods vary with regard to handling temp control. The Rx200s is worst in my opinion. It just doesn't seem to work. The Smok r200 feels a lot like the vt1300 and the Innokin Coolfire and Eleaf istick 100w both get it right. Seems like good temp control is a tough nut to crack.
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Another riddle me this. I put my cold Clapton build atomizer on the vt133 and it prompted me on the ohms. New = .5 Vaped great. Put it down and came back 15 minutes later and found the ohm reading was .46. Took a few hits and the vape was thin and much cooler. Why did the ohms drop? I've read that some people lock their ohms with SS temp control but I think this is a bad idea since ohms will increase over time. What's going on here?
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Might as well hold out for a Therion 250 then.
I like my VT75. I have a 26650 battery in it so I get good battery life, it's got a very solid slightly textured finish on it, and I don't worry about it rattling around in the cup holder. I also got it for only $50 on an ecig city sale.
I vape about 7 ml a day at 30W 450F, so my battery life is forever as well. Especially on the Triade with 3 18650s. Batteries last forever. Even the dual 18650s in the Therion seem to be holding up well. Two days of use, and I still have ~%50 charge left. Not bad as it's been my #1 mod the last few days (although not exclusive, so that battery life is not a true solo ADV).
Wait, they're making a 250, with a Lipo?!?
I always just assumed they would keep the 250 board for the Triade. I limit my DNA200 at 80W (I never go over 40W, maybe up to 50 in pre-heat but that's it), but the 2amp charging would be worth it, especially with a build in battery.
Not sure how you mean this, but time has no influence on resistance whatsoever. It's just influenced by your surrounding temperature.
I'd say don't be stubborn and just lock your resistance. That's what the feature is there for, it should solve this issue.
I'm personally not a fan of SS by the way, if you're looking for a more consistent vape Ti1 is the way to go imo. It also tastes less metallic ime.
Mod resistance was set to .02. Set it to zero and now the ohms reading is checking out correctly. And things are back to vaping well. Ha, this DNA business sure can be tricky. It's like playing whack a mole. I'm not a patient person which doesn't help much.
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